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#1 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 09:38

I recently saw a photograph of Peter Collins HWM being worked on in the pits during practice for the 1952 German Grand Prix. Parked further back along the pit lane is an Allard J2X bearing racing numbers. I know that there was a sports car race included in the programme and wondered if Peter drove his own Allard in this race which was won by Mercedes-Benz. I haven't been able to find any info on this race which is not mentioned in the 'All About The Boy' book. I recall the organizers questioning Peters racing experience(!) and wondered if he may have used the Allard to  gain experience of the circuit.



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#2 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:01

The race results on the WSRP site list an Allard J2 driven by Robert Nelleman from Denmark, so it’s probably that one:

http://www.wsrp.cz/german1952.html#7

#3 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:24

Thank you Tim. I jumped to the wrong conclusion. I suppose it was unlikely that  Peter would have taken his own car there.

 

Thanks again.



#4 D-Type

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 21:36

Is the Allard in the photo left hand drive or right hand drive?  Collins's car would definitely have been RHD while Nelleman's would probably have been LHD.


Edited by D-Type, 06 November 2017 - 20:21.


#5 group7

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 00:31

You have most probably already done so ? but you might want to pose your question here, the Allard Register.

 

https://colin-warnes...t=1411346221683

 

Michael, in Canada



#6 group7

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 00:47

The photo of the Collins machine Eric mentions is on the Revs site, plus two more of the Nelleman Allard, but I can't seem to get the link to work  :confused:  They have made some changes on the site.



#7 Tim Murray

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 07:14

I had the same problem as you, Michael, in trying to post a link to the three Nelleman photos. This seems to have worked, though:

https://purl.stanford.edu/wp763rv4090

#8 Allan Lupton

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 08:50

Since that link includes

"Description

Car number 111 - HWM Bristol driven by Peter Collins. In the background is number 35 - Allard J2 driven by Robert Nelleman"

 

can you trust any of it?

HWM Bristol forsooth!



#9 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 14:37

Thank you all very much for your trouble and help,  It looks as though my question is answered. The name Robert Nelleman  is a new one to me. Even at my age there are still things to learn.



#10 Tim Murray

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 15:06

If the results listing for him on the Racing Sports Cars site are any guide, Robert Nelleman did nearly all his racing in Scandinavia:

 

http://www.racingspo...elleman-DK.html

 

I did wonder if he was any relation to '70s racer Jac Nellemann, but most sources show two 'n's at the end of Jac's surname.



#11 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 19:10

It turns out that you can zoom in that picture. That shows definitely a LHD car. But it also shows a nice detail. On the nose are the words "C'est si bon". Anyone knows more about that?



#12 ReWind

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 21:30

I did wonder if he was any relation to '70s racer Jac Nellemann, but most sources show two 'n's at the end of Jac's surname.

It is always Nellemann, not Nelleman.
AFAIK Robert is a cousin of Jac's father Vilhelm.


Edited by ReWind, 06 November 2017 - 21:30.


#13 Tim Murray

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:17

Thanks for the clarification, Reinhard.

It turns out that you can zoom in that picture. That shows definitely a LHD car. But it also shows a nice detail. On the nose are the words "C'est si bon". Anyone knows more about that?


Possibly connected to the song with that title which was very popular in that period:

https://en.m.wikiped...ki/C'est_si_bon

#14 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:29

Sadly for me, I still remember that song!. The title also featured on the nose of  George Wickens 500cc Cooper-Norton in the 1950's.



#15 RacingCompagniet

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:30

Nelleman's car used to have the text C'est si bon' on its radiator cowling, so there is no doubt that it is his car in the picture.



#16 uechtel

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:21

https://revslib.stan...log/qw554mn3412

https://revslib.stan...log/nd191gj1110

https://revslib.stan...log/hn092yn1452

 

 

and also

 

https://revslib.stan...log/xd532jd1129


Edited by uechtel, 07 November 2017 - 12:30.