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[tghik]

 

yeah right...

 

Motorsport:

 

Sergey Sirotkin, who succeeded in grabbing the seat this year, had brought about 15 million euros for the seat. But Sirotkin's sponsor SMP seems to be reluctant to pay the same amount after this year's bad year.

 

Motorsporttotal mentions sources say SMP has about halved the budget for a Williams seat.

 

That would mean Williams still went for the cash, this time the Polish guy with the cash.

 

Even if true Robert will deliver on track. Why not post something positive ? His story is remarkable, we all should see something constructive on the human side. Bury your axe for today, we still will have all 2019 to maintain productive discussions about his form on the track.

[alphanumeric]

https://twitter.com/...533828704464898

Must be my imagination, though watching this I thought I'd never seen Claire smile quite like this during an announcement.  Watching the vid brought a little speck of dust to my eye 

[rkrp]

 

yeah right...

 

Motorsport:

 

Sergey Sirotkin, who succeeded in grabbing the seat this year, had brought about 15 million euros for the seat. But Sirotkin's sponsor SMP seems to be reluctant to pay the same amount after this year's bad year.

 

Motorsporttotal mentions sources say SMP has about halved the budget for a Williams seat.

 

That would mean Williams still went for the cash, this time the Polish guy with the cash.

 

It's almost sad to watch your ********. Walk a dog, read a book. Look the other way. 

Because today we celebrate  
 

[absinthedude]

I've searched but not found it....could someone post a link to the thread from 2011? I think there was a full list of his injuries posted somewhere in that thread. To recover sufficiently from those injuries to take his place on the grid in F1 again is astonishing. A wonderful achievement. 

[Murl]

To be fair a full days testing might exceed the distance of a race, but I dare say the race itself is far more challenging and certainly asks greater questions of reactions and fatigue etc. In testing you can relax whenever you want and your not fighting which therefore doesn't require the fastest and most accurate steering and other control inputs. 

 

I think its clear RK has the capability to lap at competitive speed, but what's he going to be like at the start of the race with 20 cars bombing into the first corner or defending position or fighting to overtake etc. I think the best any hardened fan could say at this point is that he will probably and hopefully be absolutely fine but to dismiss this as not even a concern before its been validated in a racing situation would be naive. 

 

If all things could be known about humans, humans wouldn't be making any decisions...

 

We could equally have similar concerns about Vettel, for example.
 

[MadYarpen]

I've searched but not found it....could someone post a link to the thread from 2011? I think there was a full list of his injuries posted somewhere in that thread. To recover sufficiently from those injuries to take his place on the grid in F1 again is astonishing. A wonderful achievement. 

See here: https://www.reddit.c...ries_after_his/

[statman]

Even if true Robert will deliver on track. Why not post something positive ? His story is remarkable, we all should see something constructive on the human side. Bury your axe for today, we still will have all 2019 to maintain productive discussions about his form on the track.

 

Your first sentence still needs to be proven, it's not a fact.

 

Yes, the story is remarkable and I'm happy for him. But if someone says he's hired purely on talent and not money, I'm going to respond. I guess it's about characterization of drivers. Sirotkin was hired on financial basis and not on talent according to this forum, now it turns out Kubica brings more money and suddenly it's purely about talent.

 

You can point that out, we don't have to ignore these things because a driver has fans. Sirotkin didn't get the same courtesy on this forum that Kubica gets at the start.

Edited by statman, 22 November 2018 - 10:08.

[MadYarpen]

Your first sentence still needs to be proven, it's not a fact.

 

Yes, the story is remarkable and I'm happy for him. But if someone says he's hired purely on talent and not money, I'm going to respond. I guess it's about characterization of drivers. Sirotkin was hired on financial basis and not on talent according to this forum, now it turns out Kubica bring more money and suddenly it's purely about talent.

 

You can point that out, we don't have to ignore these things because a driver has fans. Sirotkin didn't get the same courtesy on this forum that Kubica gets at the start.

1. Thats how it is on forums you know. Mostly opinions, not facts.

2. Please don't generalize. It is seriously annoying.

[Juanto]

a good take on the subject: https://www.motorspo...saward/id/00340

[danmills]

This is such an incredible moment. What a comeback. The guy has landed a seat back in F1 after all that has happened.

 

Results, right now, can be put aside and dissected over winter. This moment is about the journey and determination. What a sensational story this is.

 

Please, before everyone gets picky about data and lap times, just mellow and reflect on what has just happened.

 

[noriaki]

 

yeah right...

 

Motorsport:

 

Sergey Sirotkin, who succeeded in grabbing the seat this year, had brought about 15 million euros for the seat. But Sirotkin's sponsor SMP seems to be reluctant to pay the same amount after this year's bad year.

 

Motorsporttotal mentions sources say SMP has about halved the budget for a Williams seat.

 

That would mean Williams still went for the cash, this time the Polish guy with the cash.

 

 

Weren't you the one who was on this forum insulting other users (including me) left and right to be RK fanboys for doubting SMP's commitment and reliability as a sponsor? 

 

As well as calling people delusional for "only believing positive rumours about Kubica", and subsequently spending the rest of the year dismissing every rumour about him ever being in contention for 2018?

 

A big man would offer his apology after being proven wrong. A 4 year old would keep up with throwing his toys out of pram and using derogatory names...

[doc83]

To be fair a full days testing might exceed the distance of a race, but I dare say the race itself is far more challenging and certainly asks greater questions of reactions and fatigue etc. In testing you can relax whenever you want and your not fighting which therefore doesn't require the fastest and most accurate steering and other control inputs. 

 

I think its clear RK has the capability to lap at competitive speed, but what's he going to be like at the start of the race with 20 cars bombing into the first corner or defending position or fighting to overtake etc. I think the best any hardened fan could say at this point is that he will probably and hopefully be absolutely fine but to dismiss this as not even a concern before its been validated in a racing situation would be naive. 

 

If all things could be known about humans, humans wouldn't be making any decisions...

 

There is so much more love and understanding in the Billy Monger thread.

Kid drives without both legs and there were no posts like this, just support.

[tghik]

a good take on the subject: https://www.motorspo...saward/id/00340

 

"It might have been a better idea to wait to see what other options emerged in the course of the winter" what other drivers ? lots potentially good new young drivers have been picked by the teams already, who else could show up with experience (and that's the key) to partner the rookie ? Alonso is gone and he wouldn''t want to be at Williams anyways. So calling it a good take is a stretch and it proves Joe Saward is a known anti Kubica biased journo. So be it, can't please everybody

[nmar]

And another opinion: Will Buxton

[Muppetmad]

a good take on the subject: https://www.motorspo...saward/id/00340

" but no serious F1 team makes decision based on anything other than who is the faster driver"

 

Good! Then Saward agrees: Kubica is the right choice because he is the faster driver.

[cromofo]

And another opinion: Will Buxton

Wow that's a great opinion piece

[Anja]

"It might have been a better idea to wait to see what other options emerged in the course of the winter" what other drivers ? lots potentially good new young drivers have been picked by the teams already, who else could show up with experience (and that's the key) to partner the rookie ? Alonso is gone and he wouldn''t want to be at Williams anyways. So calling it a good take is a stretch and it proves Joe Saward is a known anti Kubica biased journo. So be it, can't please everybody

 

Yeah, it's a very naive point from Saward. We know Kubica has set a deadline so Williams had to make the choice now or take a big risk waiting for some unknown other option. And if no one else is on the horizon now, there's very little chance that another good candidate will suddenly emerge over the winter. If you're serious, by now you have to at least put your name out there on the market. 

Edited by Anja, 22 November 2018 - 11:12.

[wingwalker]

a good take on the subject: https://www.motorspo...saward/id/00340

 

His fans are constantly banging on about how highly-rated Kubica was, but they generally forget to say that these quotes came mostly before the accident.

 

Hi Joe

Edited by wingwalker, 22 November 2018 - 11:14.

[tghik]

Wow that's a great opinion piece

wow, incredible piece, the best I've read so far. I was not expecting this from Buxton.

[sgtkate]

And another opinion: Will Buxton

Who is cutting onions? 

[tghik]

Yeah, it's a very naive point from Saward. We know Kubica has set a deadline so Williams had to make the choice now or take a big risk waiting for some unknown other option. And if no one else is on the horizon now, there's very little chance that another good candidate will suddenly emerge over the winter. If you're serious, by now you have to at least put your name out there on the market. 

Yep, at least he should mention some possible candidates to support his idea, instead it's just a theory invented just to tarnish the driver he doesn't like

Edited by tghik, 22 November 2018 - 11:28.

[statman]

Weren't you the one who was on this forum insulting other users (including me) left and right to be RK fanboys for doubting SMP's commitment and reliability as a sponsor? 

 

They paid 15 million to get him a seat for this year. They succeeded. They don't like what they got, a terrible car, damning exposure and no results and no future. .So they cut back their investment. It's a rational decision

 

As well as calling people delusional for "only believing positive rumours about Kubica", and subsequently spending the rest of the year dismissing every rumour about him ever being in contention for 2018?

 

I never said he wasn't in contention. There was a list of drivers, even according to Williams themselves. Nobody knows what the others brought to the table expect now Kubica and Sirotkin. I merely highlighted the Italian journalist who was regarded as 'close to Robert' according to the fans.

 

A big man would offer his apology after being proven wrong. A 4 year old would keep up with throwing his toys out of pram and using derogatory names...

 

Ah yes, very "throwing his toys out of pram" stuff of me to point out he's bringing a boatload of money and SMP has cut it's involvement... Did you see what I wrote about the courtesy? 

[SophieB]

Happy to bring this to a close and let his confirmed F1 future with Williams all be discussed in the same thread here:

 

https://forums.autos...river-for-2019/