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[ch103]

This article warrants a thread on this topic.

 

Interesting that Horner is telling Dan that he is on equal status with Max before the season.  But c'mon, we all know whats going on.  Leopards do not change their spots.  Red Bull has a wonder-kid and an Aussie.  We have seen this before.

 

I feel like if Dan even senses in the slightest that Red Bull are favoring Max, he will have to make a contract decision earlier than he anticipates.  Red Bull claim to want to keep him, but surely on #2 driver status.

 

 

[RandomG]

Or he could just drive faster than Max.

[Reinmuster]

Or he could just drive faster than Max.

 

Still depends on equal machinery and treatment.

[RECKLESS]

Already a mental challenge for Dan.

Might get hot in the kitchen this season.

[spacekid]

You're right. Red Bull employ Dan just so they can hold him back, the swines. He could be faster than Max but they won't let him be.

[Jovanotti]

Pretty sure they'll have an equal shot, Daniel is no Webber. Plus if they **** with him, Dan will be off to Merc or Ferrari in 2019. Not much to lose for him.

Edited by Jovanotti, 19 January 2018 - 07:26.

[TheRacingElf]

The press would love it though, Daniel doesn't seem to be the guy who would let a team (or anyone else for that matter) **** him over quietly. He will call them out, probably including some swearwords, on live television, and then walk into the Merc or Ferrari motorhome and sign on the dotted line.

[Ragnar668]

Running away from RB to have an equal shot at Ferrari or Mercedes where the number one driver is much more clearer doesn't strike me as a smart move

[dau]

And the season hasn't even begun yet.

[Maustinsj]

Running away from RB to have an equal shot at Ferrari or Mercedes where the number one driver is much more clearer doesn't strike me as a smart move

You’re right, I can’t imagine any Red Bull driver doing that... 😉

Edited by Maustinsj, 19 January 2018 - 08:59.

[LuckyStrike1]

And the article in question actually states it will be no teamorders at Red Bull favouring one driver and that a quote in media has been explained and cleared up for Ricciardo. So ...

[PlatenGlass]

Running away from RB to have an equal shot at Ferrari or Mercedes where the number one driver is much more clearer doesn't strike me as a smart move

I don't think that's the case. And I think he'd certainly fancy his chances against Vettel.

[JamesC64]

Serious question, if a team were to slightly hinder a driver how the hell would he find out?

[Ragnar668]

Serious question, if a team were to slightly hinder a driver how the hell would he find out?

strategy during a race

[jcbc3]

[LuckyStrike1]

Serious question, if a team were to slightly hinder a driver how the hell would he find out?

 

Telemetry and data. 

 

Given the development at Sauber for this year with more Ferrarisupport + a Ferrari junior driver in the team, Marcus Ericsson has had questions about the risk of the tema favoring Leclerc with a better engine, better car etc. and his response has been very clear - he would see that right away, the team can't hide it. 

[jcbc3]

I firmly believe it won't be an issue at Sauber.

[LuckyStrike1]

And neither at Red Bull. 

 

Or basically any team on the grid. 

Except at Haas where Grosjean will have brakes that does not work. Although that could be another issue. 

[Ricciardo2014]

In true Autosport style,

 

Isn't that article just a rehash of things that have already been stated, or is there something new ?

[LuckyStrike1]

It was nothing new. Just a bit of January news 

[kevinracefan]

This article warrants a thread on this topic.

 

Interesting that Horner is telling Dan that he is on equal status with Max before the season.  But c'mon, we all know whats going on.  Leopards do not change their spots.  Red Bull has a wonder-kid and an Aussie.  We have seen this before.

 

I feel like if Dan even senses in the slightest that Red Bull are favoring Max, he will have to make a contract decision earlier than he anticipates.  Red Bull claim to want to keep him, but surely on #2 driver status.

you're wrong..

[kevinracefan]

You're right. Red Bull employ Dan just so they can hold him back, the swines. He could be faster than Max but they won't let him be.

nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk.. yep, exactly..

[LuckyStrike1]

This article warrants a thread on this topic.

 

Interesting that Horner is telling Dan that he is on equal status with Max before the season.  But c'mon, we all know whats going on.  Leopards do not change their spots.  Red Bull has a wonder-kid and an Aussie.  We have seen this before.

 

I feel like if Dan even senses in the slightest that Red Bull are favoring Max, he will have to make a contract decision earlier than he anticipates.  Red Bull claim to want to keep him, but surely on #2 driver status.

 

The previous time the Aussie was not as quick or as good as the wonder-kid and hence, he was behind. 

This time the Aussie and the wonder-kid are equally both brilliant and good. 

So it's not the same situation, and the only thing Daniel should be disappointed about is something he shares with Max - the package they have is not strong enough to challenge Mercedes and Ferrari. Red Bull are not yet back to title-winning level, mostly because of Renault but also because they have not made very good cars out of the gate lately. 

[FPV GTHO]

These Anti Aussie sentiment suggestions never make sence to me when it comes to Ricciardo. When it was Webber, he was never a Red Bull Junior and had one of the junior squads hottest properties in Vettel racing against him. As for Ricciardo, it is he who is very much the product of the Red Bull junior program this time. Red Bull have done very little for Verstappen, only offering him a contract that woukd see him racing sooner than what Mercedes could offer.

[Ragnar668]

These Anti Aussie sentiment suggestions never make sence to me when it comes to Ricciardo. When it was Webber, he was never a Red Bull Junior and had one of the junior squads hottest properties in Vettel racing against him. As for Ricciardo, it is he who is very much the product of the Red Bull junior program this time. Red Bull have done very little for Verstappen, only offering him a contract that woukd see him racing sooner than what Mercedes could offer.

they started right ever Verstappen won Spain in his first race for RB and got new fuel every time "something"  happened with Ricciardo. 
the last 6 races of 2017 didn't help either. Didn't hear the sentiments when Verstappen had a bad streak 12 races in a row

[JamesC64]

Telemetry and data.

Given the development at Sauber for this year with more Ferrarisupport + a Ferrari junior driver in the team, Marcus Ericsson has had questions about the risk of the tema favoring Leclerc with a better engine, better car etc. and his response has been very clear - he would see that right away, the team can't hide it.

So you're telling me all drivers would know if the team are pulling a fast one by looking at the telemetry? I'm sure the teams have the capabilities to pull the wool over their eyes.

[LuckyStrike1]

So you're telling me all drivers would know if the team are pulling a fast one by looking at the telemetry? I'm sure the teams have the capabilities to pull the wool over their eyes.

 

 

That is what a back-of-the-grid current F1-driver is saying. 

I am saying that I don't believe for a second that team in F1 does this, and can do it and getting away with it towards the driver. 

 

It also does not make any logical sense to do it. If you chose a driver to your team, and need to destroy his equipment to stop him from being too competitive (just listen to how ridiculous that sounds), then why not just hire a slower driver. 

So no. But it's a nice conspiracy theory though. 

[JamesC64]

That is what a back-of-the-grid current F1-driver is saying.

I am saying that I don't believe for a second that team in F1 does this, and can do it and getting away with it towards the driver.

It also does not make any logical sense to do it. If you chose a driver to your team, and need to destroy his equipment to stop him from being too competitive (just listen to how ridiculous that sounds), then why not just hire a slower driver.

So no. But it's a nice conspiracy theory though.

It does seem crazy but you know as well as i do we all have our doubts from time to time.

As for hiring a slower driver, it would be idiotic to allow such driver to get a seat in a rival team that's challenging you for the title?

[statman]

this topic reminds me of those crazy Ricciardo vs. Verstappen topics we had during the season..

[Ragnar668]

So you're telling me all drivers would know if the team are pulling a fast one by looking at the telemetry? I'm sure the teams have the capabilities to pull the wool over their eyes.

you think a team with hundreds of members, some or more of them loyal to one of the drivers, will do this and get away with it?
besides the point about logical sense LuckyStrike1 is making

Edited by Ragnar668, 20 January 2018 - 11:38.

[jjcale]

This article warrants a thread on this topic.

 

Interesting that Horner is telling Dan that he is on equal status with Max before the season.  But c'mon, we all know whats going on.  Leopards do not change their spots.  Red Bull has a wonder-kid and an Aussie.  We have seen this before.

 

I feel like if Dan even senses in the slightest that Red Bull are favoring Max, he will have to make a contract decision earlier than he anticipates.  Red Bull claim to want to keep him, but surely on #2 driver status.

 

The signs were there from 2016 as some of us pointed out that MV is fundamentally faster than DR (something that I struggled to believe at the time believing as up to that point I considered DR to be potentially even faster than LH) ... but the kid turned up and matched him from the get go ... so clearly once the kid settled into the team properly he was going to be faster. 

 

But yeah, Aussies and Redbull are a bit like that movie about the black guy in the american south called Get out!! or something like that ... things start of all lovely and nice - kinda like a RomCom - but but you know in the end its going to be a horror film....

Edited by jjcale, 21 January 2018 - 15:02.

[TomNokoe]

Webber was garbage.

Ricciardo isn't.

[JamesC64]

Don't know if it's true but I've heard Max is set to earn £4 million more than Ricciardo this year.

[LuckyStrike1]

Verstappen renewed his contract last year and extended it.