It is actually dead now isn't it.?
Google or Bing brings up too much trash to sort through.
What years did it actually run.
Do they run the minimum rules modifieds they had there any where now?
Posted 26 January 2018 - 00:38
It is actually dead now isn't it.?
Google or Bing brings up too much trash to sort through.
What years did it actually run.
Do they run the minimum rules modifieds they had there any where now?
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Posted 26 January 2018 - 08:44
Last run Nov 12, 2009, as an opener for a NASCAR weekend at PIR. There was talk about reviving the event as a stand-alone in January 2011, returning it to a more traditional date, but nothing came of it as far as I know. Ran every year from 1976 to 2009, I believe. When I get home, I can provide a bit more info.
Posted 26 January 2018 - 10:48
Edited by Michael Ferner, 26 January 2018 - 11:18.
Posted 26 January 2018 - 15:45
Edited by Michael Ferner, 26 January 2018 - 16:00.
Posted 26 January 2018 - 16:32
Those names are all so familiar to me, where as todays drivers, I know very few.
I know the sprints had a turbine car at least one year.
Edited by Bob Riebe, 26 January 2018 - 16:33.
Posted 26 January 2018 - 17:57
Posted 26 January 2018 - 18:00
Michael beat me on 2009 being the last event, but there were sprint/super races that preceeded the Copper World appellation at the track, dating back to 1970. That first event, run as twin 50-lap races, had at least 9 Midwesterners in the starting field. I only mention that because Michael seems to feel it isn't much of a race with only Western U.S. drivers in the field Apparently, he's spent too much time at certain message boards, and their hyper-regionalism has rubbed off on him
Among several notables in the field of that first sprint/super event, Jan Opperman and a young Tom Sneva.
"Minimum rules" supers pretty much died out. ERA in Colorado is (was?) the last running them and they lost their "home" track in 2016 (the track is still there, but dropped the supers from their schedule). The supers in Central California are now a 360 class.
Edited by Jim Thurman, 26 January 2018 - 18:30.
Posted 26 January 2018 - 18:36
A bit unrelated but Bill Cheesebourg, according to the Ultimate Racing History site, which is FAR, FAR. FAR from ultimate, ran his last stock car race there in 1980, and won his last at Manzanita in 1975.
The mile track in Arizona and the track at Milwaukee probably had the most varied races and racers in the country. Exceeded only in racer diversity by Indianapolis.
I used to eagerly wait to watch the Super Modified race on TV every year when there used to be a lot of odd ball racing on TV on the weekends.
Posted 26 January 2018 - 18:48
A bit unrelated but Bill Cheesebourg, according to the Ultimate Racing History site, which is FAR, FAR. FAR from ultimate, ran his last stock car race there in 1980, and won his last at Manzanita in 1975.
Bill Cheesbourg continued racing his dirt late model well into the 1980s. He even made the cross-country haul to a Florida Speedweek series of dirt races in, IIRC, 1986 (?). I saw him completely stomp a field in an open competition super stock race at South Bay Speedway in San Diego in November 1975. He won by a half-lap, and that was after he'd backed off considerably over the final laps. He was closing in on lapping the 3rd place car before he backed off. At the checkered flag, he was only a couple of car lengths behind the 3rd place car. The field he beat weren't slouches.
Edited by Jim Thurman, 03 February 2018 - 18:00.
Posted 26 January 2018 - 20:02
Posted 26 January 2018 - 20:22
ERA in Colorado is (was?) the last running them and they lost their "home" track in 2016 (the track is still there, but dropped the supers from their schedule).
Posted 27 January 2018 - 00:09
Colorado National Speedway in Erie?
Yes. They ran some races later at I-25 Speedway in Pueblo.
Posted 27 January 2018 - 00:34
And Jim, I was aware of earlier races at PIR, but those were ARA sanctioned races (iinm), while the "Copper" series were unsanctioned, open comp events that sets them apart, reflected in the numbering of the event. I'll look into that again, too, tomorrow. Also, I'm not trying to "downsize" the California guys (again
), but was merely trying to showcase the development from local competition to national appeal of the races. It's the same for me as with races in Pennsylvania, or Indiana - the number of travelling cherry pickers is always interesting in a bigger context. And I guess it makes the wins for the locals all the more satisfying, too!
Geez, Michael. You didn't know that there were two drivers named Jerry Miller? Then I don't know how you'll react to there being at least three then
Names like Bill Brown, John Anderson, etc. are quite common (and the two Dick Fries shows how bizarre it can get!). Then there the situations like the same Jim Edwards beng based in So Cal, Pennsylvania and then Arizona
If those earlier races were ARA sanctioned, they were still open comp, because otherwise I don't think Mr. Sneva would have been in an Eagle or Norm Ellefson in a Tipke roadster-style super modifed , to name just two.
Concur with you on the race evolving to a larger, more national scale event (though at least 9 Midwesterners in the first is pretty impressive, especially who they were). I was jk you
Posted 27 January 2018 - 02:20
Bob, thanks for bringing this up. I, too, was wondering recently about whatever happened to the event. Now I realize that it disappeared while I was still overseas and I somehow just missed it. Thanks to Michael and Jim for the info.
Posted 27 January 2018 - 16:16
Geez, Michael. You didn't know that there were two drivers named Jerry Miller?
Edited by Michael Ferner, 27 January 2018 - 16:31.
Posted 27 January 2018 - 16:49
Posted 29 January 2018 - 22:29
That rang a bell, Bob, so here's a cool Hot Rod article on the turbine Sprint car:
http://www.hotrod.co...-were-the-days/
Edited by Michael Ferner, 29 January 2018 - 22:51.
Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:43
Edited by Michael Ferner, 30 January 2018 - 11:21.
Posted 30 January 2018 - 21:37
Posted 03 February 2018 - 18:10
Then, why don't you help me disentangle them?
I don't want to spoil your fun Plus, with the overlap, trying to sort the Jerry Millers out was a nightmare at the time. At least when the two Andy Hillenburgs turned up, results would sometimes use a middle initial or have (OK) or (IN) behind their name(s). Michael, I'm always happy to help you. That is, when I can. I don't have any great compilation of data, just the raw data, which isn't exactly easy for me to access at the moment. You have access to more online sources than I do, so anything different I can come up with either would be from the collection of old racing papers or visits to libraries to go through microfilm of newspapers that aren't online.
I was able to help in the past with the two Dick Fries (CA and PA) and other similar cases of duplicate names, though I still haven't discovered "Ace" Duncan's given first name
Edited by Jim Thurman, 04 February 2018 - 03:16.
Posted 04 February 2018 - 22:53
Does the Jerry Miller who ran a frat house at Bemidji State College count?