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[Graveltrappen]

https://www.motorspo...y-list-1001353/

Interesting that Toro Rosso will now be known as ‘Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda’... Redbull hedging their bets in case the engine comes good and they miss out on headlines

Aston Martin title sponsorship for the main team, not that it matters... the commentators won’t refer to them as ‘Aston martin cars’ I shouldn’t have thought.

Driver numbers also confirmed.

[johnmhinds]

[f1paul]

Slightly perplexed when I saw Nicolas Hulkenberg. For a moment I thought, where's Nico???   

[f1paul]

​Leclerc with number 16, Sirotkin with 35. 

[PayasYouRace]

No name change for Force India then.

[Knowlesy]

Loving Force India’s new name.

The marketing guys earning every penny there and no mistake.

Edited by Knowlesy, 01 February 2018 - 20:36.

[RoseTinted]

Add a few numbers to the spreadsheet under team name column width, you don't want a #value on the press release.

[pierrep]

No name change for Force India then.

"Force India is still listed with its usual name, but a change is expected to be formally announced before the start of the season"

[Fatgadget]

No underdogs the likes of Minardi,Manor,Forti,Pacific,Simtek and such...

[PayasYouRace]

No underdogs the likes of Minardi,Manor,Forti,Pacific,Simtek and such...

It’s not 1995

[Vielleicht]

I still can't get over the Aston Martin that's a Red Bull with an engine that's a Tag Heuer that's actually a Renault.

[PayasYouRace]

I still can't get over the Aston Martin that's a Red Bull with an engine that's a Tag Heuer that's actually a Renault.

Not to mention that Aston Martin use Mercedes engines in their road cars at the moment.

[Maustinsj]

It’s Aston Martin Red Bull Racing with their Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer RB-14 running a Renault engine.

Sorted, respect due.

[Joseki]

Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda is hilarious, Aston Martin sponsoring Red Bull powered by TAG Heuer will never stop to be wrong.

[V8 Fireworks]

Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda is 

 

 

Superb!   

 

(if redundant, but nevermind about that, the works Honda is the main part!   )

[PayasYouRace]

I’m sure I’ve done this before so here are the “original” name translations:

Haas F1 Team, Haas-Ferrari
McLaren F1 Team, McLaren-Renault
Mercedes AMG Petronas British American Racing, BAR-Mercedes*
Aston Martin Stewart Grand Prix, Stewart-Tag Heuer
Renault Sport Toleman Team, Toleman-Renault
Sahara Jordan Grand Prix, Jordan-Mercedes
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team, Sauber-Ferrari
Scuderia Ferrari, Ferrari
Red Bull Minardi Honda, Minardi-Honda
Williams Martini Racing, Williams-Mercedes


*I usually consider BAR to have been a new team, as they only bought Tyrrell’s entry. If you prefer you can have Mercedes AMG Petronas Team Tyrrell, Tyrrell-Mercedes.

[pdac]

I only updated my spreadsheet yesterday and already it's out of date (I had everything except the Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda thing). Sounds like I might have to make one more update sometime soon, though.

[midgrid]

​Leclerc with number 16

 

Yes, my favourite number!

 

Is it just me or are some of the numbers different sizes?

[noikeee]

"Force India is still listed with its usual name, but a change is expected to be formally announced before the start of the season"

Yeah I clicked on this thread excited thinking "oh great let me find out Force India's name" then.... oh.

[johnmhinds]

So Perez isn't his last name, hmm.

[boomn]

So Perez isn't his last name, hmm.

Hispanic naming puts the father's surname first, followed by the mother's surname.  But father's surname is the primary one.  So it isn't his "last" name but it's still the one he would go by if had to pick just one

 

Helio Castro-Neves got tired of being incorrectly referred to as "Helio Neves" so he started having it written as a single word in the US: Castroneves. I guess he didn't want to just be Helio Castro

Edited by boomn, 02 February 2018 - 07:50.

[RECKLESS]

I came up with these shorter versions.
Feel free to use for convenience.

Haas
McLaren
Mercedes
Red Bull
Renault
Force India
Sauber
Ferrari
Toro Rosso
Williams

[lustigson]

I’m sure I’ve done this before so here are the “original” name translations:

Haas F1 Team, Haas-Ferrari
McLaren F1 Team, McLaren-Renault
Mercedes AMG Petronas British American Racing, BAR-Mercedes*
Aston Martin Stewart Grand Prix, Stewart-Tag Heuer
Renault Sport Toleman Team, Toleman-Renault
Sahara Jordan Grand Prix, Jordan-Mercedes
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team, Sauber-Ferrari
Scuderia Ferrari, Ferrari
Red Bull Minardi Honda, Minardi-Honda
Williams Martini Racing, Williams-Mercedes


*I usually consider BAR to have been a new team, as they only bought Tyrrell’s entry. If you prefer you can have Mercedes AMG Petronas Team Tyrrell, Tyrrell-Mercedes.

 

Now that we're in a nostalgic mood, let's add the proper car numbers, shall we:

 

1 + 2 Tyrrell–Mercedes

3 + 4 Stewart–Renault

5 + 6 McLaren–Renault

7 + 8 Williams–Mercedes

9 + 10 Toleman–Renault

11 + 12 Ferrari

14 + 15 Jordan–Mercedes

16 + 17 Sauber–Ferrari

18 + 19 Minardi–Honda

20 + 21 Haas–Ferrari

 

[PayasYouRace]

Now that we're in a nostalgic mood, let's add the proper car numbers, shall we:

 

1 + 2 Tyrrell–Mercedes

3 + 4 Stewart–Renault

5 + 6 McLaren–Renault

7 + 8 Williams–Mercedes

9 + 10 Toleman–Renault

11 + 12 Ferrari

14 + 15 Jordan–Mercedes

16 + 17 Sauber–Ferrari

18 + 19 Minardi–Honda

20 + 21 Haas–Ferrari

 

 

Not sure about those, especially Williams and McLaren.

 

I'll go with:

 

1&2 BAR(or Tyrrell)-Mercedes

5&6 Williams-Mercedes

7&8 McLaren-Renault

11&12 Stewart-Tag Heuer

15&16 Haas-Ferrari

19&20 Toleman-Renault

23&24 Minardi-Honda

27&28 Ferrari

29&30 Sauber-Ferrari

32&33 Jordan-Mercedes

 

And to hell with the gaps.

[Swck81]

I thought Sauber would use Alfa Romeo branded Ferrari engines. Sauber-Alfa Romeo instead of Sauber Ferrari.

[Brian60]

Loving Force India’s new name.

The marketing guys earning every penny there and no mistake.

My thoughts exactly, here was I waiting for something exciting, to say I am underwhelmed would itself be an understatement

[Brian60]

So Perez isn't his last name, hmm.

Possibly because Mendoza is a common surname in Mexico? (don't quote me on that) Similarly to Ayrton Senna dropping the 'DaSilva' from his as it was a common surname in his home country.

[7MGTEsup]

So Perez isn't his last name, hmm.

 

Wasn't Mendoza the bad guy in the McBain movies in the Simpsons?

[johnmhinds]

Wasn't Mendoza the bad guy in the McBain movies in the Simpsons?

[August]

Not sure about those, especially Williams and McLaren.

 

I'll go with:

 

1&2 BAR(or Tyrrell)-Mercedes

5&6 Williams-Mercedes

7&8 McLaren-Renault

11&12 Stewart-Tag Heuer

15&16 Haas-Ferrari

19&20 Toleman-Renault

23&24 Minardi-Honda

27&28 Ferrari

29&30 Sauber-Ferrari

32&33 Jordan-Mercedes

 

And to hell with the gaps.

 

I think Lustigson was going with the old system with the reigning WDC's team (or reigning WCC team in case the WDC retires) swapping numbers with the old 1 & 2 (or 0 & 2) cars.

 

Though I like what you have here. I'd have preferred that over permanent driver numbers.

[noikeee]

I thought Sauber would use Alfa Romeo branded Ferrari engines. Sauber-Alfa Romeo instead of Sauber Ferrari.

 
Nah, that's far too simple, the "in" thing now is to use car manufacturers as sponsors and watch brands as engines now. See Red Bull Racing.
 

Possibly because Mendoza is a common surname in Mexico? (don't quote me on that) Similarly to Ayrton Senna dropping the 'DaSilva' from his as it was a common surname in his home country.

Weirdly enough I think Perez is an extremely common name in all Spanish-speaking countries, and Mendoza whilst not uncommon is less usual than Perez.

[lustigson]

Here's my thinking. 

 

Edited by lustigson, 02 February 2018 - 14:13.

[Spillage]

Does this make Toro Rosso the first team ever to have a tautological name?

[Spillage]

Also, how will we refer to Sauber? Will we still call them 'Sauber' or will we call them 'Alfa Romeo', given that they tended to be known as 'BMW' during that era of their existence?

Edited by Spillage, 02 February 2018 - 14:20.

[lustigson]

Also, how will we refer to Sauber? Will we still call them 'Sauber' or will we call them 'Alfa Romeo', given that they tended to be known as 'BMW' during that era of their existence?

 

Interestingly, Sauber has never actually been BMW. Rather, they were called BMW Sauber. Which was a real silly thing come 2010 when they ran Ferrari engines, hence the car's were called 'BMW Sauber–Ferrari'. 

[lustigson]

On an other note: what's the order in the FIA's official entry list? It's not car/starting numbers, it's not alphabetical, it's not the 2017 WCC order... so what is it?

[SpaceHorseParty]

On an other note: what's the order in the FIA's official entry list? It's not car/starting numbers, it's not alphabetical, it's not the 2017 WCC order... so what is it?

It used to be alphabetical before Sauber and Toro Rosso adjusted their names.

[lustigson]

It used to be alphabetical before Sauber and Toro Rosso adjusted their names.

 

 

Oh, right: it's alphabetical order of the official team names... with the exceptions of STR and Sauber.   

[ensign14]

I’m sure I’ve done this before so here are the “original” name translations:

Haas F1 Team, Haas-Ferrari
McLaren F1 Team, McLaren-Renault
Mercedes AMG Petronas British American Racing, BAR-Mercedes*
Aston Martin Stewart Grand Prix, Stewart-Tag Heuer
Renault Sport Toleman Team, Toleman-Renault
Sahara Jordan Grand Prix, Jordan-Mercedes
Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team, Sauber-Ferrari
Scuderia Ferrari, Ferrari
Red Bull Minardi Honda, Minardi-Honda
Williams Martini Racing, Williams-Mercedes

 

 

Ilmor, rather than Mercedes?
 

[lustigson]

Ilmor, rather than Mercedes?
 

 

And Mécachrome, instead of Renault? 

[PayasYouRace]

Ilmor, rather than Mercedes?
 

 

I didn't update (backdate?) the engine suppliers.

[Myrvold]

Here's my thinking. 

 

 

Oh man how I love that!

[Cornholio]

Oh man how I love that!

 

I'll second that. Kind of wish they'd gone back to this system once they decided they didn't want to be renumbering all/most of the teams and drivers every year. Is far more interesting than a driver's lucky number or a few letters in their altered to look like numbers or whatever crap they use to decide these days.

[lustigson]

I thought I'd make a proper entry list:

 

Petronas Tyrrell Mercedes

1 Lewis Hamilton

2 Valtteri Bottas

 

Red Bull Stewart Renault

3 Daniel Ricciardo

4 Max Verstappen

 

McLaren Renault

5 Fernando Alonso

6 Stoffel Vandoorne

 

Martini Williams Mercedes

7 Lance Stroll

8 Sergei Sirotkin

 

Infiniti Toleman Renault

9 Nico Hülkenberg

10 Carlos Sainz, jr.

 

Scuderia Ferrari

11 Sebastian Vettel

12 Kimi Räikkönen

 

Sahara Jordan Mercedes

14 Sergio Pérez

15 Esteban Ocon

 

Alfa Romeo Sauber Ferrari

16 Marcus Ericsson

17 Charles Leclerc

 

Red Bull Minardi Honda

18 Pierre Gasly

19 Brendon Hartley

 

Haas Ferrari

20 Romain Grosjean

21 Kevin Magnussen

 

 

[WOT]

Interesting that four teams are using the current "F1" in their Team Name and that Renault prefer to use the old nomenclature - "Formula One", yet Force India have gone for the hybrid approach in their Company Name "Formula 1".

[ensign14]

It used to be alphabetical before Sauber and Toro Rosso adjusted their names.

 

The funny thing about that is that nobody in the FIA seems to know how to sort tables in Word automatically. 
 

[WOT]

The funny thing about that is that nobody in the FIA seems to know how to sort tables in Word automatically. 
 

 

Well it is sort of still alphabetic, it's just that the FIA have decided to make the random choice between "Company Name" or "Team Name" when deciding their order.