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[Ivanhoe]

Bob Bell’s view on RBR/Renault

"With Max, everything has to be done quickly because he is young and he is in a hurry," Bell told Ziggo Sport.

"He wants to win because he knows he has the potential to win. He is disappointed that his car is abandoning him and is blaming our engine.

"We make no difference between engines that we use for our own team and the engines that go to our customers.

"It could theoretically be that the way Red Bull puts the engine in the car has consequences for the performance, but perhaps they are just unlucky."

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Edited by Ivanhoe, 14 October 2018 - 12:53.

[Heyli]

Bob Bell’s view on RBR/Renault

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I dont even know what to say to this... They do realise that they lack speed compared to Mercedes and Ferrari right? 

[Ivanhoe]

Itl’s just throwing a bit of mud back.

[FullOppositeLock]

Is he suggesting Red Bull is adversely affecting Renault’s PU performance somehow or am I reading thay wrong? Do these Renault bosses ever look at how their own factory team and other customer team are doing with their dud in the back? From the various contradictory and downright false statements coming from Renault representatives lately it appears they are getting ever more confused and starting to panic about their golden goose Red Bull leaving to the only competitor that until recently they could hope to beat on track.

[Requiem84]

Is he suggesting Red Bull is adversely affecting Renault’s PU performance somehow or am I reading thay wrong? Do these Renault bosses ever look at how their own factory team and other customer team are doing with their dud in the back? From the various contradictory and downright false statements coming from Renault representatives lately it appears they are getting ever more confused and starting to panic about their golden goose Red Bull leaving to the only competitor that until recently they could hope to beat on track.

Hasn’t Hulk used most PU components of all Renault PU cars?

Could have sworn his emgine is in the back of a Renault chassis.

This trend where company reps can blatantly lie about facts is getting worse. Why aren’t journalists calling them out on that?

[statman]

AMUS:

 

[statman]

AMUS, Mexico:

 

[A3]

Cars running different floors?

[ernestomodena]

Cars running different floors?

 

Yeah I believe so. There was a Motorsport article that they are looking at Ferrari's floor for insperation.

[A3]

Max did a 50 minute interview with Ziggo Sport. 

 

In it, he explains the Bahrein qualifying crash.

 

He says that in 2017 he drove the whole year with the same throttle mapping. It was a smooth curve with an aggressive end, to compensate for the power delivery problems of the Renault power unit. The power unit couldn't do what they asked of it, there was a gap in power delivery. So they compensated for that with the throttle mapping.

But it caused a problem with this corner in Bahrein, because the battery power was like an on or off switch. *I assume this was because the throttle mapping curve was so aggressive near full throttle*. So when he was almost full throttle at that corner and all off a subben the 180bhp of the battery kicked in and that's what caused him to spin. After the crash, they made the travel of Max's throttle pedal longer and this allowed them to smooth out the throttle mapping curve to make it more linear.

Edited by A3, 13 December 2018 - 10:59.

[SenorSjon]

I believe the car was also faster in corners than the previous year, so he was able to put more throttle in than before.

[Maxioos]

Max did a 50 minute interview with Ziggo Sport. ...

 

In it, he explains the Bahrein qualifying crash.

 

He says that in 2017 he drove the whole year with the same throttle mapping. It was a smooth curve with an aggressive end, to compensate for the power delivery problems of the Renault power unit. The power unit couldn't do what they asked of it, there was a gap in power delivery. So they compensated for that with the throttle mapping.

But it caused a problem with this corner in Bahrein, because the battery power was like an on or off switch. *I assume this was because the throttle mapping curve was so aggressive near full throttle*. So when he was almost full throttle at that corner and all off a subben the 180bhp of the battery kicked in and that's what caused him to spin. After the crash, they made the travel of Max's throttle pedal longer and this allowed them to smooth out the throttle mapping curve to make it more linear.

 

Nice one imo.

He's so confidence and performance driven but sees with other vision now (i'm not here for getting 4th isn't mindset anymore, 4th is better than dnf for championship is now) that i fear for Gasly or any driver in the other seat.

He basically acknowledges that those 5 mistakes in first 6 races have cost him p2 WDC.

Monaco had a lot of impact, he was mad on himself and every lap he saw Ric. on P1 reminded him of his stupid unneeded mistake and own fault he was driving p15/14.

Nobody, not even Marko can let make him tremble, except his dad.

Didn't knew he can't drink warm drinks, koffie, thee, hot chocolate, nothing.

Bottas as driver he's not impressed to say it nice way.

[gillesfan76]

Nice one imo.

He's so confidence and performance driven but sees with other vision now (i'm not here for getting 4th isn't mindset anymore, 4th is better than dnf for championship is now) that i fear for Gasly or any driver in the other seat.

He basically acknowledges that those 5 mistakes in first 6 races have cost him p2 WDC.

Monaco had a lot of impact, he was mad on himself and every lap he saw Ric. on P1 reminded him of his stupid unneeded mistake and own fault he was driving p15/14.

Nobody, not even Marko can let make him tremble, except his dad.

Didn't knew he can't drink warm drinks, koffie, thee, hot chocolate, nothing.

Bottas as driver he's not impressed to say it nice way.

 

Did they ask him about Bottas or did he just decide he's going to give his unrequested negative opinion on another driver?

[Maxioos]

Did they ask him about Bottas or did he just decide he's going to give his unrequested negative opinion on another driver?

 

Came because the F1 pass of the year, Bottas kept the door open according to Max, he doesn't agree best pass of the year. He tried to downplay the negativity impression/translation of the interviewer but not really convincing. 

[A3]

Did they ask him about Bottas or did he just decide he's going to give his unrequested negative opinion on another driver?

 

Wow. The negativity is dripping off your post. Anything to crap on Max eh?

 

He was asked if he agreed with Ric's move of the year. He jokingly said that a pass on Bottas shouldn't be considered pass of the year. Then explained why he felt the move wasn't that great as Bottas left the door wide open. Implied that other drivers know Bottas is easy to overtake. 

[Dratini]

Wow. The negativity is dripping off your post. Anything to crap on Max eh?

 

He was asked if he agreed with Ric's move of the year. He jokingly said that a pass on Bottas shouldn't be considered pass of the year. Then explained why he felt the move wasn't that great as Bottas left the door wide open. Implied that other drivers know Bottas is easy to overtake. 

Well he's right That move was cool because it was for the lead, and is probably upped a little more by the overtakes that Daniel did which preceded it, but in essence, particularly against the defending driver in that of Bottas, it was nothing too flamboyant or special beyond what I've mentioned already. While some moves that are facilitated by variance in tyre life are cool to see, I don't think those or, for the most part, DRS moves, should be considered when determining what the move of the year was.

[gillesfan76]

Wow. The negativity is dripping off your post. Anything to crap on Max eh?

 

He was asked if he agreed with Ric's move of the year. He jokingly said that a pass on Bottas shouldn't be considered pass of the year. Then explained why he felt the move wasn't that great as Bottas left the door wide open. Implied that other drivers know Bottas is easy to overtake. 

 

Oh right, so he not only crapped on Bottas but Dan at the same time. He's got talent, he'd be great at cricket.

 

He is right though, drivers that don't move around in the braking zone are generally easier to overtake.

Edited by gillesfan76, 13 December 2018 - 14:57.

[Maxioos]

Oh right, so he not only crapped on Bottas but Dan at the same time. He's got talent, he'd be great at cricket.

 

He is right though, drivers that don't move around in the braking zone are generally easier to overtake.

 

You know there is only one who has got a penalty for that right? 

 

Edit: If you do a fast learning Dutch you could discover some more crapping towards Ric. I could tell the jokes, but what would be the fun of that. I kept it out on purpose to don't get this kind of postings, but because you are this triggered, i like to trigger you some more.

Edited by Maxioos, 13 December 2018 - 15:09.

[Thatfastguy]

Oh right, so he not only crapped on Bottas but Dan at the same time. He's got talent, he'd be great at cricket.

He is right though, drivers that don't move around in the braking zone are generally easier to overtake.

Passing Bottas is probably the only thing easier than triggering you mate. Let it go, the battle is over.

[Vitesse2]

And that seems to be a very good point at which to close this thread.

 

In 2019 the whole Moderation team hope that the level of discussion in the RB threads will be on a higher plane and causes all of us a lot less grief.

 

Although there's an old proverb that if you live in hope you'll die in despair. Please try to disprove that.