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[Viryfan]

Tobacco advertising is gone for 10-20 years now? So they could still show most of it. But that isn't the real reason, is it? There is also enough alcohol advertising car- and trackside.

French anti tobacco associations sued Canal+ as they did not do enough to scrap tobacco branding from archives.

They won last year against C+.

They are also threatening on a regular basis F1 websites to scrap pictures of the Mclaren.

I can see why Liberty did this, the cost in order to scrap tobacco branding from archives for just 1 market would be too high.

[Jerem]

French anti tobacco associations sued Canal+ as they did not do enough to scrap tobacco branding from archives.

They won last year against C+.

They are also threatening on a regular basis F1 websites to scrap pictures of the Mclaren.

I can see why Liberty did this, the cost in order to scrap tobacco branding from archives for just 1 market would be too high.

This recent (2023) modification of the anti-tobacco law:
https://www.legifran...RTI000047293616
explicitly says:

"I.-Est punie de 100 000 euros d'amende : [...]

2° Le fait de retransmettre une compétition de sport mécanique contenant de la publicité directe ou indirecte pour le tabac et se déroulant dans un pays où la publicité pour le tabac est interdite, ainsi que la retransmission, par un moyen autre qu'une chaîne de télévision, d'une compétition de sport mécanique contenant de la publicité directe ou indirecte pour le tabac et se déroulant dans un pays où la publicité pour le tabac est autorisée."
 

"Is punished with a 100.000 euros fine the broadcast a motorsport competition showing direct or indirect advertising for tobacco and taking place in a country where tobacco advertising is forbidden, and the broadcast, by a media other than a TV channel, of a motorsport competition showing direct or indirect advertising for tobacco and taking place in a country where tobacco advertising is allowed"

This looks like it was directly written by Canal+ lobbyists, not by anti-tobacco associations.

Edited by Jerem, 10 June 2024 - 22:12.

[ANF]

French anti tobacco associations sued Canal+ as they did not do enough to scrap tobacco branding from archives.

They won last year against C+.

They are also threatening on a regular basis F1 websites to scrap pictures of the Mclaren.

I can see why Liberty did this, the cost in order to scrap tobacco branding from archives for just 1 market would be too high.

You mean pictures of the old McLaren that looked like a pack of cigarettes, or the current McLaren that is sponsored by a four-letter product that begins with the letter V and is described as "tobacco-free" "nicotine pouches"?

[F1 Mike]

It's a bit of a minefield. You look at other sports such as snooker which have archives littered with tobacco brands. You can't just erase history.

Has Dorna had to do the same with MotoGP?

[Carsey]

They did crack down. However it still works with a certain setup. Let me know if you need any help and I can drop you a PM with how it’s done

Nope, they cracked down on VPNs a year or two ago. To watch from UK I basically had to install a VPN server on my brother's PC in Switzerland - as residential IPs are fine obviously.

Don't waste your money on a VPN for F1TV. Don't even try to buy a subscription through a VPN as you will get blocked; when I did through the App Store, Apple was gracious enough to offer a full refund.

[TomNokoe]

I don't like Buscombe. I know she's new but comes across very abrasive and somewhat of a know-it-all, and as Viper said, clearly loves the sound of her own voice.

She reminds me a little of Sam Collins. Although they are both very intelligent, they seem to exaggerate their character far too much so the viewer understands they are "the smart one".

Next time Buscombe is on, I invite you to count how many times she does something self-referential, or inserts the word "STRATEGIST" into the conversation unnecessarily.

I much prefer Bernie Collins as a pundit.

[DutchQuicksilver]

Whatever happened to Rosanna Tennant? She was a regular host back in 2022, alternating with Laura Winter. But now she seems to have complete disappeared.

[Barty]

Whatever happened to Rosanna Tennant? She was a regular host back in 2022, alternating with Laura Winter. But now she seems to have complete disappeared.

She's with BBC Radio all the time nowadays, it seems. Also, she was off on maternity leave for a while.

[Carsey]

I think the commentary from Ruth was pretty good.  Been a bit on/off with catching it at work last couple ones so havent paid a huge attention to things as just on in the background.  But from the strategy point it was relatively interesting.  Certainly better and a refreshing change from the usual stuff.     Its what fans should be getting when they subscribe to a channel like that.  More in-depth stuff and analysis.

[thermonuclear]

Buscombe has been okay, at least she's dropped the cards and her hands since the previous outing where she looked like she was about to go toe-to-toe with Sugar Ray Leonard. The grid walk prior to start was pretty average though, Mr this and Mr that. She gives the impression of not being able to talk spontaneously and possibly has had little presenting training prior to going into this role. She will get better as she relaxes more and gets used to it. A definite improvement on the French guy they had who was difficult to understand as an English speaker.

 

I'd have Ben Edwards over Croft and Jacques in commentary, less excitable than the other two. Too bad he seems to have been replaced by Jacques on F1TV.

Edited by thermonuclear, 11 June 2024 - 20:56.

[1player]

I agree with Jacques being too excitable, but I am pretty sure FOM/F1TV, in their quest to replace Sky's commentary, looked for a shouty commentator to match the shouty Crofty that had become the voice of F1.

Let me also disagree with TomNokoe about Sam Collins. I quite like his input and his demeanor. He just sounds a knowledgeable and good-natured F1 technical nerd, without the cringy comedic shticks of Two Seconds Ted.

[Secretariat]

Buscombe has been okay, at least she's dropped the cards and her hands since the previous outing where she looked like she was about to go toe-to-toe with Sugar Ray Leonard. The grid walk prior to start was pretty average though, Mr this and Mr that. She gives the impression of not being able to talk spontaneously and possibly has had little presenting training prior to going into this role. She will get better as she relaxes more and gets used to it. A definite improvement on the French guy they had who was difficult to understand as an English speaker.

 

I'd have Ben Edwards over Croft and Jacques in commentary, less excitable than the other two. Too bad he seems to have been replaced by Jacques on F1TV.

I think this speaks a little bit to the potential nervousness. I did find the index card thing distracting, but logical if there is some "stage fright". Also, having her do the grid walk was dumb in my opinion. I hope it was the last time. For the entire team, I do wonder how much is driven by "the production". Being told to do this, do that, we need this/that all the while you are trying to speak to millions of people is a skill unto itself.

[chrcol]

She does have her brain fades though, like yesterday in qualifying. Rambled on about the drivers now needing to hurry up getting onto the inters (after running on slicks) and set their laps. Palmer corrected her saying there’s no need at all to run inters if you’ve clocked a lap time on slicks.

To me she just seems to state the obvious, but I guess there is people out there who dont clock into F1 strategy who will find her useful, I feel Bernie on Sky seems to offer more useful insight.

[Claudius]

DC was pretty annoying today speaking about drivers "confidence" the whole time. As if that is smth you can choose. If a driver doesn´t have the car underneath for whatever reason, how will he have the confidence to attack?

[DW46]

DC was pretty annoying today speaking about drivers "confidence" the whole time. As if that is smth you can choose. If a driver doesn´t have the car underneath for whatever reason, how will he have the confidence to attack?

DC knows loads about confidence it was sat in the other side of the garage for the first 11 years of his career he must have got some good insights.

[Claudius]

DC knows loads about confidence it was sat in the other side of the garage for the first 11 years of his career he must have got some good insights.

 

Of course he knows more than most (including me) but it sounded like it was smth a driver can choose. It´s not that simple AFAIK. 

[Secretariat]

I feel like I can script what DC will say in his commentary which seems to always include some version of:

• back in my day type statements
• driver confidence/thoughts
• farm boy from Scotland references
• vague statements about what is happening today

I suppose there is a place for it in a broadcast presentation, but not as a driver analyst in my opinion.

[Nathan]

Jacques reminds me of that one kid in grade school that thought he'd be cool by teasing everyone for their mistakes.  Mate, you've never raced a car, you are in no place to be taking to constant jabs at low moments from DC's and Jolyon's careers.

[DW46]

Of course he knows more than most (including me) but it sounded like it was smth a driver can choose. It´s not that simple AFAIK.

I was agreeing with you mate in the most sarcastic way possible👍

[dave34m]

No Ruth this week so far, I thought she was better last week but I'm not disappointed that she hasn't been a part of the team as yet for this race weekend. 

[SenorSjon]

No Ruth this week so far, I thought she was better last week but I'm not disappointed that she hasn't been a part of the team as yet for this race weekend. 

 

I don't find her adding much to the broadcast. Usually open doors galore and my wife can't stand her voice... as if she is always short on breath.

[Nathan]

I don't expect to see anyone commentator there for every weekend - especially during a triple header.  I know we think they just rock up on weekends, but there is a lot of pre-production work between races.
 

Davide seems to have not taken his upper this weekend.  I'm on the fence about him.  I love his facial and body language when others are talking.  I'd prefer they just stick him in a box in the corner sign language style and just show his reactions to what everyone says.

[Secretariat]

I don't find her adding much to the broadcast. Usually open doors galore and my wife can't stand her voice... as if she is always short on breath.

I must admit she does sounds like she was a pack a day cigarette smoker for 10 years. However, that is something familiar where I am from (minus the British accent), so I don't mind.

[thermonuclear]

Agree that Bernie Collins is a better commentator than Buscombe atm but Collins has had more practice at it. Benjamin has been non-offensive to my ears so far as a sub for Croft, but we'll see how he gets on calling the Sprint later.

 

Couldn't not mention Chandhok's "angrier than a mosquito in a mannequin store" line from last weekend. Hadn't heard that one before, elicited a chuckle from the assembled watchers here.

Edited by thermonuclear, 29 June 2024 - 04:56.

[Ferrari2183]

https://9to5mac.com/...pro-testflight/

Didn’t know where to put this but this is such a shame…

Looks an interesting concept.

[F1 Mike]

Just randomly been watching the Italian Grand Prix from 2004. If you ever feel frustrated about TV coverage in today's races, this is a great example of how terribly inconsistent it used to be. Coverage of the start of this race was quite appalling

[Alfisti]

The App is still an ABYSMAL experience. WHy I cannot set default commentators is beyond me, the whole "Press enter to change the commentary" screws everything up as it interferes with FFWD and RWD functions. Speaking of which, TRYING TO GE THE CURSER TO ENGAGE WITH THE PROGRESS LINE IS AN ABSOLUTE **** SHOW. 

 

It is dead set Web 1.0 that app. 

[SenorSjon]

The App is still an ABYSMAL experience. WHy I cannot set default commentators is beyond me, the whole "Press enter to change the commentary" screws everything up as it interferes with FFWD and RWD functions. Speaking of which, TRYING TO GE THE CURSER TO ENGAGE WITH THE PROGRESS LINE IS AN ABSOLUTE **** SHOW. 

 

It is dead set Web 1.0 that app. 

 

It automatically selects the language of the app. So if you want other nations, select another language. I'm more annoyed you have to pause live timing for a minute to sync with the screen again, only to lose it sometime during the race when I touch my tablet.

[F1 Mike]

The App is still an ABYSMAL experience. WHy I cannot set default commentators is beyond me, the whole "Press enter to change the commentary" screws everything up as it interferes with FFWD and RWD functions. Speaking of which, TRYING TO GE THE CURSER TO ENGAGE WITH THE PROGRESS LINE IS AN ABSOLUTE **** SHOW.

It is dead set Web 1.0 that app.

It's not the best around, but it's certainly an improvement on early versions of the app that's for sure

[Yoshi]

Hello,

As the 2024 season finishes, we wanted to let you know that we’re making some changes to the way you use F1 TV Pro in Switzerland from 2025.

The changes and what they mean to you
Next season, the way we broadcast F1 in Switzerland is changing. From 17th December, fans will no longer be able to buy a new F1 TV Pro subscription in Switzerland.

Your subscription
Right now, you’ve got an F1 TV Pro Annual subscription that’s due to end on 02 April 2025. Your next annual subscription payment will be taken on the date above, and your Annual subscription will then automatically renew each year unless cancelled.

Changing your subscription
You may decide you no longer want to keep F1 TV Pro. If you decide to cancel your subscription after Date XY, you will no longer be able to buy or renew onto another annual subscription. We also won’t be selling monthly subscriptions in Switzerland from January 17th.

Thanks
The team at F1

No more F1TV over here in Switzerland for next season.

[Jerem]

No more F1TV over here in Switzerland for next season.

It's no more new subscriptions right? Just what happened in France a few months before they scrapped any kind of replays with only live racing sessions available. It feels like F1 just wants F1TV to die.

[Yoshi]

It's no more new subscriptions right? Just what happened in France a few months before they scrapped any kind of replays with only live racing sessions available. It feels like F1 just wants F1TV to die.

Correct - no more new subscription.

I did enjoy F1TV quite alot over the last few season - therefore I'm sad that its no longer available over here.

[catent]

A heads-up to cancel your F1TV subscription and save yourself a couple bucks over the next 2-3 months (if you don't intend to watch previous races and primarily/exclusively use F1TV for live events).

[Hinkypunk]

I also received the mail. I find it outrageous that customers are informed at such short notice.

I currently have a monthly subscription. I am not sure if I can still switch it to an annual subscription today. However, due to the company network, I can only try to change the subscription today

[Yoshi]

Seems like its the same case also for Austria

[SenorSjon]

A heads-up to cancel your F1TV subscription and save yourself a couple bucks over the next 2-3 months (if you don't intend to watch previous races and primarily/exclusively use F1TV for live events).

 

Only to pay through your nose for the new F1 provider of your county effectively banning F1TV. We've seen the same happen in the Netherlands where the yearly subscription isn't available anymore, only monthly and a big price hike to boot.

[catent]

I suppose I’m fortunate to be located in the States currently. I simply re-subscribe without hassle once the season begins at whatever the current cost is.

The situation in some of the EU countries sounds terrible; I’m sorry some of you are having to deal with that.

Who bears the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening in those particular countries?

Edited by catent, 17 December 2024 - 16:59.

[Risil]

Make sure you watch Monaco 1996 one more time before it goes

[1player]

No more F1TV over here in Switzerland for next season.

 

This is upsetting. My brother is in Switzerland and I shared his F1TV account with him, not keen on giving Sky UK any money. Now CH is another country to go.

 

The greed of these people, man.

Edited by 1player, 17 December 2024 - 22:53.

[lio007]

Seems like its the same case also for Austria

Yes, it is!
Do I understand that correct: right now I have an annual F1TV pro subscription, as long as I won't make any changes I have full F1TV pro - services?

Edited by lio007, 18 December 2024 - 05:56.

[pacificquay]

This is upsetting. My brother is in Switzerland and I shared his F1TV account with him, not keen on giving Sky UK any money. Now CH is another country to go.

 

The greed of these people, man.

Not sure you thinking they are greedy is an excuse just to steal

[Heyli]

Seems like its the same case also for Austria

Damn....

 

Although I didnt subscribe already this year, I was thinking about taking it again at some point. I like the option to watch back older races. Stupid for them to not offer that, as there is no real alternative?

[SenorSjon]

Yes, it is!
Do I understand that correct: right now I have an annual F1TV pro subscription, as long as I won't make any changes I have full F1TV pro - services?

 

It did work here when the annual versions were are no longer available, but you kept it when you made no changes. Price did went up to accommodate Viaplay.

Edited by SenorSjon, 18 December 2024 - 11:32.

[SenorSjon]

Viaplay announced they no longer will provide (paid!) footage to NOS (public TV) and Ziggo (previous rights holder) from 2025 onwards. They want F1 for themselves. Seeing what is happening the last couple of years, I fear the end of F1TV for anyone not with a Viaplay subscription in the Netherlands.

Ziggo is in more trouble since Doornbos (pundit, leaves for his business to Dubai) and Kamphues (presenter of race café leaves for Viaplay) are also no longer there in the new season. They are only left with MotoGP, Indycar and FE.

[DutchQuicksilver]

I think current F1 TV subscribers are safe, as the subscription is automatically renewed every year. Viaplay maybe has something more to say in the future for potential new F1 TV subscribers. At least I hope it’s like this. I can’t stand Viaplay’s Dutch commentators and now that Kamphues is going there it’s even more horrific coverage.

Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 24 December 2024 - 12:01.