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#101 BertoC

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 16:58

what

 

Alonso McLaren MCL33 1:16.720
 

 

must have cut the chicken

 

Please, please lets hope they cutted a chicken and not the chicane! Pleaseee! :D



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#102 f1rules

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 16:58

If it s true that they think they are in the middle of the pak...Bouiller and some other should be off the team .simple as that..i am a bit shok :rolleyes:

 

lets see, im pretty sure they will be 4th, this aggressive aero and design and a new package, renault will maybe be close but Haas remains to be seen, Now if they are not 4th... then there is huge reason to be dissapointed, but lets see and await the first gp's 



#103 Osiris

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 16:58

time struck from books.....

#104 mclarensmps

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 16:58

what

 

Alonso McLaren MCL33 1:16.720
 

 

must have cut the chicken

 

I, too, would like a piece of that chicken, please. 



#105 Nytelotus

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 16:58

1m17.784s

 

I'll take that, specially after the drama of these last days!


Edited by Nytelotus, 09 March 2018 - 16:59.


#106 pacificquay

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:00

Tell you one thing for sure - I'm a hell of a lot happier with the current state of play than at any time in the last three years!



#107 Insane111

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:01

Unlike the previous three years, this is something to build from. 



#108 Borko

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:01

Nice trolling by Nando :) thanks for the two minutes of dreaming about a race win Fernando

#109 chessycat

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:01

Some fainting because the 1.16 of Alonso?  ;)



#110 Radoye

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:02

Tell you one thing for sure - I'm a hell of a lot happier with the current state of play than at any time in the last three years!

 

Exactly. This is something that can be worked with. Much better than last year!



#111 damager21

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:03

We always repeat but some people don't understand. Times mean nothing! McLaren has recovered well despite an engine change! Most laps among Renault engines!

 

Everyone has a right to share their opinion. No one knows who is right or wrong...

 

We all want McLaren to win so it stops at that 



#112 geralt

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:04

I wouldn't call myself a McLaren fan and even I was jumping up and down after seeing that lap time... I really hope this is the year where they return to being competitive


Edited by geralt, 09 March 2018 - 17:04.


#113 f1rules

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:04

would be nice to se the gain from cutting, and then just put his fastets sec 3 time with the other two sectors of that round



#114 MastaKink

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:05

We'll see what Melbourne has in store. Some disappointments with the issues and lack of running but a nice stint yesterday on mediums and a couple of decent hypersoft laps so we're still in the hunt for 4th I think.



#115 Mc_Silver

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:05

would be nice to se the gain from cutting, and then just put his fastets sec 3 time with the other two sectors of that round

 

Yep. I hope his best sector times will be revealed. Curious to know that  :D



#116 smr

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:05

1:17:7 Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah  :smoking:  :smoking:  :smoking:  :smoking:



#117 Osiris

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:05

I think we'll be competitive if we can make it last a whole weekend! I'm happier with McL-Renault. Still strange to say, but I keep thinking back to those Williams-Renault days and hope we get the same type of results!

#118 Mc_Silver

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:07

Team did a good job despite the engine problem almost 100 laps covered. More than Red Bull and Renault.  :up:



#119 Khangaskan

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:08

Tell you what I almost fainted in the last 2 minutes there...xD

 

Hopefully we can fight for 4th at the end of the year, but my god the mercs look to be in their own special Formula Merc. Geesus :(



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#120 Joseki

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:08

Car seems to be reasonably competitive when it doesn't break down.

#121 pup

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:09

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When you've scorched the rear wing endplates, you know you've got the packaging wrong.  :kiss:


Edited by pup, 09 March 2018 - 17:09.


#122 Nytelotus

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:11

If we consider the limited track time we have had compared to others, Alonso's last effort today and Stoffs last stint yesterday on Mediums things do not look so grim. Reliability is going to be key. Hopefully they will be on top of it come Melbourne.



#123 MirNyet

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:12

So, between .5 and .75 behind the big boys, and roughly a couple of tenths in it for the Red Bull. 7th & 8th on the grid for the first race would be a reasonable expectation. Finishing the race however may be a different story until they seriously get themselves in order over the next 2 weeks.



#124 Borko

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:17

If we consider the limited track time we have had compared to others, Alonso's last effort today and Stoffs last stint yesterday on Mediums things do not look so grim. Reliability is going to be key. Hopefully they will be on top of it come Melbourne.

Absolutely. And don't forget Prod's interview where he was talking about a huge update for Australia.



#125 Mc_Silver

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:18

I'm sure these next 2 weeks will be fairly busy in MTC. They have to fix these reliability issues and make the new aero package ready at the same time. But I'm sure They'll be alright in a few races.  :up:  

 

Just give them a bit of time guys. McLaren will be alright.



#126 pup

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:21

Absolutely. And don't forget Prod's interview where he was talking about a huge update for Australia.

 

Let's hope his update wasn't centered around a tighter engine cover.  :p

 

Joking aside, I do hope that the cooling issue won't affect the update.



#127 rodlamas

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:24

Hypersoft tires on a track like Barcelona @ 25-35 Celsius and the drivers are still able to lower their times after a qualifying run at 17.9, then a 17.7 and then who knows what might have been that 16.7 lap.

 

Thanks Pirelli for bringing stones again instead of tires.



#128 aray

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:25

Before any new aero, i just want them to fix out those 'heat pockets' problem.I would be happy if they keep same aero configuration in Oz,but can run through the weekends without those scorching marks.



#129 keshav

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:27

How much is cutting the chicane worth? Is it one second?

#130 MastaKink

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:27

Yeah got to solve the heat pocket even if they have to put on hold those new aero parts until the race after but I'm sure they're on it and have been since last Monday.



#131 Borko

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:28

Thread number II and we also have Toro-Rosso - Honda thread which is as well a thread about McLaren. Soon we'll start Part III :smoking:



#132 aray

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:35

How much is cutting the chicane worth? Is it one second?

Pretty much, can be more.



#133 Quickshifter

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:39

It is great to see Boullier putting his hands up and admitting that they did not do a good enough job of preparing the car for the test. He also goes on to say how Mclaren have taken a different approach to other Renault powered cars.As i said yesterday this team has made mistakes in the two preseason tests concluded so far but has shown the ability to respond quickly. Today after the turbo failure at the beginning of the day we were told by the usual suspects as to how the test is done but they changed the engine, came back got 93 laps on the board and the second fastest time of the day. I am sure had Alonso not cut the chicane he would have been  very close to Kimi's time if not beat it outright. It will be interesting to see his three best sector times to see where he would have ended up.

 

I repeat what happened today in the morning where Turbo went bust after an out lap which had nothing to do with overheating or packaging. Mclaren have run 151 laps yesterday and 161 laps on day 4 of first test so had the packaging been an issue we would have seen many more engine related issues on those days. What has been unacceptable from Mclaren has been these hydraulic leaks, engine oil leaks etc which should be cut out. There is inherent pace in the car both on long runs and  short runs as demonstrated by Stoffel yesterday and Fernando today. Mclaren have to do a through job of rebuilding the cars, addressing quality control issues, improving pit stops and operational side of things.

 

Mclaren have given critics enough ammunition to throw muck at them and if they had managed an uneventful testing in terms of niggling issues from their side they would have shut the critics up. Having said that the barrage of abuse they have received is excessive and over the top. Mclaren clearly know they have their work cut out in the next three weeks to get their house in order. However i must add things aren't as bad as they appear to be as there are no fundamental issues with the car, the radical rear suspension is working as expected and basically the car appears to be kinder on tyres and has been quick out of the box. I back them to sort this out by Melbourne.



#134 RonsBurgundy

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:40

Tonight's' dinner in honour of these last few pages : Scorched Papaya (cut)chicken....at Nandos naturally.



#135 MastaKink

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:46

Sounds quite nice tbf



#136 RA2

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:46

Pretty much, can be more.

 

If full throttle all the way it would be 5-6 seconds



#137 Borko

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:51

If full throttle all the way it would be 5-6 seconds

That could only be if he "used" 2006 layout.

 

Hopefully somebody comes up with his sector 1 and sector 2 times prior to the cutting. If those 2 were green, that would be very nice.



#138 clarkma5

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:52

I feel pretty vindicated. If McLaren is coming out and saying they've made mistakes and not prepared well enough, with all their public relations, that's a huge admission. With any F1 team, but McLaren more than most (short of Ferrari?), they're going to downplay their failings and upsell their victories. I get the feeling McLaren is spinning away a lot of failings, and I keep saying, I think they're spinning those failings away from themselves. I sense a cognitive dissonance within McLaren...on one hand, thinking they're awesome, on the other hand...not quite doing a good enough job (which is still an excellent job because F1 is F1).

 

I feel like McLaren always makes things 3 or 4 positions in the constructor's championship harder for themselves than they need to. Where other teams would have the car and operations to eke out a championship, I'd expect to see McLaren 4th or 5th. Where other teams would dominate, it seems McLaren would struggle to bring it home to a championship. I feel that they double down so much on being "aggressive" trying to chase a tenth here or there on paper, that their aggression shoots them in the foot and costs them more than they gain. I think it has been a consistent problem in the thinking of McLaren for at least 5 seasons now.

 

I say all this really being a fan of the team, and wanting them to do well. Their culture seems too insular and too self-protective, making them unwilling to question their approach, at the expense of their performance.


Edited by clarkma5, 09 March 2018 - 17:54.


#139 kosmos

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:56

Naughty Fernando, lol. Let's hope for the best. As long as we finish in the top 10 in Australia, I'm happy, ultimate goal this season should be to be on par with RB.

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#140 Quickshifter

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 17:57

https://twitter.com/...162770614603782


Edited by Quickshifter, 09 March 2018 - 17:57.


#141 Mc_Silver

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 18:02

https://twitter.com/...162770614603782


I did not see Alonso that happy and confident before. IMO He knows he has a good car in his hands and good days are coming. I really hope McLaren will fix these niggling issues as soon as possible. Alonso will be exciting to watch this year!

#142 prty

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 18:12

From another forum, they are collecting money to order t-shirts like these, with Alonso as a papaya:

 

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That face comes from Alonso's figure in Madrid Wax Museum (a very infamous figure in Spain for obvious reasons):

 

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And yes, the guy behind is supposed to be Carlos Sainz Sr.


Edited by prty, 09 March 2018 - 18:13.


#143 Andy35

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 18:16

We always repeat but some people don't understand. Times mean nothing! McLaren has recovered well despite an engine change! Most laps among Renault engines!

 

 

Why did I get the feeling I just read a Donald Trump Twitter post when I read that?

 

Andy



#144 Sndr

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 18:27

Why did I get the feeling I just read a Donald Trump Twitter post when I read that?

 

Andy

 

i guess only you can answer that question.



#145 Mat13

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 18:49

Good day then? I last checked at about 1 o’clock, and at that stage there was no sign of them on track...

#146 turk157

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 18:52

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#147 Muzzyf1

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 18:53

Good ending I'm happy with that.
We cane no where near that in the last 3 years wirh Hr

#148 Outsider

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 19:30

From another forum, they are collecting money to order t-shirts like these, with Alonso as a papaya:

 

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That face comes from Alonso's figure in Madrid Wax Museum (a very infamous figure in Spain for obvious reasons):

 

100_2494.jpg

 

And yes, the guy behind is supposed to be Carlos Sainz Sr.

i could wear one of those shirts  :rotfl:



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Posted 09 March 2018 - 19:33

Ferrari fan here, coming in peace. :) 
 
I just want to say that even if we support rival teams we have much in common as Formula 1 fans: we go through the same phases of uncertainty, anguish and mad happiness, we all suffer from withdrawal symptoms in the winter, and we all enjoy a close fight. So I can relate very well to the tension you felt in the last days and the irritation with some comments from other fans, and it's good to see you ended the test with some encouraging times. I wish you come back to the sharp end of the grid where you belong as soon as possible, and hopefully we can have some proper battles for wins as we have so many times in the past. Formula 1 needs a competitive McLaren.


#150 Mc_Silver

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 19:36


Ferrari fan here, coming in peace. :)

I just want to say that even if we support rival teams we have much in common as Formula 1 fans: we go through the same phases of uncertainty, anguish and mad happiness, we all suffer from withdrawal symptoms in the winter, and we all enjoy a close fight. So I can relate very well to the tension you felt in the last days and the irritation with some comments from other fans, and it's good to see you ended the test with some encouraging times. I wish you come back to the sharp end of the grid where you belong as soon as possible, and hopefully we can have some proper battles for wins as we have so many times in the past. Formula 1 needs a competitive McLaren.


Thanks for your kind wishes mate. We all miss McLaren vs Ferrari duels. Hopefully from this year onwards we will experience some of it. Red Bull and Mercedes dominated the last 8 years in F1 whereas it was McLaren and Ferrari before that. Hopefully our time will come sooner rather than later! :)