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[jgrwill]

Think the drivers did what they could today. Looked pretty good for Kmag for a moment.

Haas need to work on the hyper and ultras they don’t work together with the Hass racer.

Edited by jgrwill, 28 October 2018 - 21:09.

[KWSN - DSM]

I think the strategy was the only one which could possibly place them in the points, that they ended last runners does not mean the strategy was not the right one, the car was not there all weekend, they made a calculated choice which did not pan out, finishing more or less where they seemed poised to finish since Practice one on Friday.

 

[theflyingwheel]

I think the drivers did a better job than in other races, but being last and overtaken by the williams proves there is no way either is top team material nor top midfield material at all, i get to understand Renault and McLaren position regarding both drivers.

I dont think this has been their worse race this season since they at least keep it clean and the track is not a strong one for the team but if i was the team i would replace both as soon as possible neither will offer more to the team and thats sad because they are interesting personalities but their time in F1 should be done and put some exiting new guns who can perform better than being last place.

[jgrwill]

I think the drivers did a better job than in other races, but being last and overtaken by the williams proves there is no way either is top team material nor top midfield material at all, i get to understand Renault and McLaren position regarding both drivers.

I dont think this has been their worse race this season since they at least keep it clean and the track is not a strong one for the team but if i was the team i would replace both as soon as possible neither will offer more to the team and thats sad because they are interesting personalities but their time in F1 should be done and put some exiting new guns who can perform better than being last place.

WTF !! that is the worst crab I have heard for a long time.... Again every chance you have you try to get your crazy opinion out about the drivers.
You always talk about the Haas racer being the 4th best... Well not today and it was clear the car wasn’t there all weekend..

But ok, lets blame the drivers ... 👏🏻👏🏻

[theflyingwheel]

WTF !! that is the worst crab I have heard for a long time.... Again every chance you have you try to get your crazy opinion out about the drivers.
You always talk about the Haas racer being the 4th best... Well not today and it was clear the car wasn’t there all weekend..

But ok, lets blame the drivers ... 👏🏻👏🏻

From the post you can see i never said Haas was the 4th best this race but losing to Williams, Toro Rosso and Stoffel is not only due to the car, im sorry but i believe other drivers would had done a better job and at least not being last and thats why i think Haas made a big mistake keeping both drivers even though there are not other options available.

[Kezaer]

From the post you can see i never said Haas was the 4th best this race but losing to Williams, Toro Rosso and Stoffel is not only due to the car, im sorry but i believe other drivers would had done a better job and at least not being last and thats why i think Haas made a big mistake keeping both drivers even though there are not other options available.

Had Nothing to do with the drivers, but the crap ultra soft tires, they worked for 5 laps, and then they were slower than 40 laps old supersoft..

[jgrwill]

From the post you can see i never said Haas was the 4th best this race but losing to Williams, Toro Rosso and Stoffel is not only due to the car, im sorry but i believe other drivers would had done a better job and at least not being last and thats why i think Haas made a big mistake keeping both drivers even though there are not other options available.

Ok, so in the same race they could beat those teams on the SS, and the racer had 4-5 fast laps on the US... and after that US were slower than the SS...
nonsense another driver could have maked magic out of the US...

you just don’t like the two Haas guys..

[loki]

I think the strategy was the only one which could possibly place them in the points, that they ended last runners does not mean the strategy was not the right one, the car was not there all weekend, they made a calculated choice which did not pan out, finishing more or less where they seemed poised to finish since Practice one on Friday.

 

I think that's a fair assessment.  Thinking that the others would do another stop and then leap frog them at that point or even run them down in the closing laps if they didn't stop.  The cars were so slow I don't know  if they had a better choice.  It was pretty painful to watch.  OTOH they didn't clank into anyone or anything and now Grosjean will have at least a bit more cushion on the penalty points front.  The trap speeds looked good in practice.  I think this is a downside of the contractor model where they don't build the car as a unified kit but rather design a tub and then try to make the other parts they buy work with that tub.  Looks to me like they still have some of the same issues trying to get heat into the tires.

[sopa]

Grosjean and Magnussen qualifying head-to-head is pretty much level now, isn't it? Interesting, who will end up on top by the end.

[theflyingwheel]

Another time the car had a chance to perform and Magnussen has been outqualified again and unable to compete in Q3 even with the best of the rest car, i would like to say Kmag is irregular but this second half has been underperforming in almost every track, i think Haas needs to replace Kmag with a new rookie or a stronger drive.

As i said in the begining of the season this kind of poor perfomance was the reason i never consider he was a serious candidate for Ferrari despite some comments, and thats why McLaren and Renault decide not to Keep him.

I wish Kmag raises his perfomance like he did in 2 or 3 races back in the begining of the season because this perfomance is not helping the team at all in the fight vs Renault.

[KWSN - DSM]

Another time the car had a chance to perform and Magnussen has been outqualified again and unable to compete in Q3 even with the best of the rest car, i would like to say Kmag is irregular but this second half has been underperforming in almost every track, i think Haas needs to replace Kmag with a new rookie or a stronger drive.

As i said in the begining of the season this kind of poor perfomance was the reason i never consider he was a serious candidate for Ferrari despite some comments, and thats why McLaren and Renault decide not to Keep him.

I wish Kmag raises his perfomance like he did in 2 or 3 races back in the begining of the season because this perfomance is not helping the team at all in the fight vs Renault.

 

Did you notice the weather?

 

[jgrwill]

Did you notice the weather?

I don’t think he have seen the quali..

He just need to come with the same sh.. weekend after weekend.

This was a matter of timing Leclerc was just lucky.
Not a bad quali from Mag, the track was wet..

[jgrwill]

Another time the car had a chance to perform and Magnussen has been outqualified again and unable to compete in Q3 even with the best of the rest car, i would like to say Kmag is irregular but this second half has been underperforming in almost every track, i think Haas needs to replace Kmag with a new rookie or a stronger drive.

As i said in the begining of the season this kind of poor perfomance was the reason i never consider he was a serious candidate for Ferrari despite some comments, and thats why McLaren and Renault decide not to Keep him.

I wish Kmag raises his perfomance like he did in 2 or 3 races back in the begining of the season because this perfomance is not helping the team at all in the fight vs Renault.

Even the best of the rest Car.... ?

That was Sauber...
you always Call the Haas for the best of the rest..

This was lucky timing for Leclerc nothing else..
It stopped raining.. oh wait that was Kevins fault
🤪🤪👏🏻

[theflyingwheel]

The problem here is not one bad quali, every driver has some ocasional bad perfomances but how often does Kmag underperforms in this second half is the issue.

[messy]

Grosjean and Magnussen qualifying head-to-head is pretty much level now, isn't it? Interesting, who will end up on top by the end.

Grosjean. He's thrashed Kevin in the second half of the season really, hasn't he?

It's not a recovery I expected to see after the first part of the year at all but all credit to him, I guess. He's a good driver, but his form is absolutely bipolar.

[sopa]

Well, at least if nothing else that makes for an interesting team-mate battle. You can never call the end result. Even if at one point one guy seems to have the edge, he will soon go missing again.

[BlindZenDriver]

Another time the car had a chance to perform and Magnussen has been outqualified again and unable to compete in Q3 even with the best of the rest car, i would like to say Kmag is irregular but this second half has been underperforming in almost every track, i think Haas needs to replace Kmag with a new rookie or a stronger drive.

As i said in the begining of the season this kind of poor perfomance was the reason i never consider he was a serious candidate for Ferrari despite some comments, and thats why McLaren and Renault decide not to Keep him.

I wish Kmag raises his perfomance like he did in 2 or 3 races back in the begining of the season because this perfomance is not helping the team at all in the fight vs Renault.

There you go again with your uninformed nonsense.

 

The Haas team unfortunately didn't have their cars on the track in Q2 when the conditions were best. Had they had an extra set of tires to use for a third run in Q2 then I think they would have send KMag out, but without it would have meant him having to run Q3 on used tires, so they chanced it clearly not expecting the track to dry up at the last moment.

 

If you were a little informed you would also know that in qualifying and especially in changing conditions it is the team that does the timing on when to send drivers out. The drivers sit in their cars and has much less knowledge on what is going on than those on the pit wall.

 

Also how is it so difficult for you to understand that the Haas competitors have caught up on Haas and in some case passes them in the development race. Teams like Renault, Torro Rosso, Sauber and at time even McLaren have much better cars now than in the beginning of 2018.

[sopa]

What has happened to Magnussen is what happened to him in 2014 and 2016. After a promising start he fell aside in the second half of the season.

What happened with Grosjean in the beginning of the season is what happened to him in the first half of 2013, when he was decimated by Raikkonen. Or in the middle of 2016, when he was getting outraced by Gutierrez.

 

That's the way it is with these guys.

[PistolPete]

What has happened to Magnussen is what happened to him in 2014 and 2016. After a promising start he fell aside in the second half of the season.

What happened with Grosjean in the beginning of the season is what happened to him in the first half of 2013, when he was decimated by Raikkonen. Or in the middle of 2016, when he was getting outraced by Gutierrez.

 

That's the way it is with these guys.

 

The past two GP's hasn't been good. This qualifying I think was bad luck. He was about to make a good time when rain hit him the last part of his attempt. 

[search]

The Haas team unfortunately didn't have their cars on the track in Q2 when the conditions were best. Had they had an extra set of tires to use for a third run in Q2 then I think they would have send KMag out, but without it would have meant him having to run Q3 on used tires, so they chanced it clearly not expecting the track to dry up at the last moment.

 

it's not possible to run the Q3 set before Q3. The rules just don't allow it, so that everyone has at least one set of fresh tires left for the final part of Qualifying. No matter what

[BlindZenDriver]

it's not possible to run the Q3 set before Q3. The rules just don't allow it, so that everyone has at least one set of fresh tires left for the final part of Qualifying. No matter what

Ahh. I did not know that. Good info.

I just figured Haas weighed in having to run Q3 on used tires in with the risk of the weather allowing for anyone to improve their times and put KMag out of the top ten.

 

So in reality there was no choice as sending KMag out for a third run would have meant sending him on used tires ie. it would have been a useless run. So in hindsight instead they should have delayed his second run for the last possible moment as this would have been one with better conditions than the second run he got (where btw. his time must have been set going full risk based on seeing other struggle).

 

I hope for good things today. Going by Haas having set good times in practice and with KMag have free choice of tires for the race, then points should be possible. On the same time Renault isn't looking amazing and Ocon has a grid penalty, so chances are Haas can close some of the gap to Renault and pull a little ahead of the Force India. Haas catching Renault to end on the #4 spot at the end of season however...

Edited by BlindZenDriver, 11 November 2018 - 10:08.

[Galoredk]

I just read that HAAS had an update at the Canada Grand Prix that made the backend more loose, favoring Grosjeans driving style and not Kmag who favors a tighter back end with less oversteer.

That is actually a sensible explanation. I wonder though, why each can cannot be set up to fav our each drivers style?

[theflyingwheel]

The haas car pace is brutal, even Magnussen manage a stunning recovery i cant imagine how much better a result would had been if he had Q better yesterday, still having a second half of the season behind Grosjean, but today a clean and ok drive, lets hope he drivers like today or better next week to close the season on a high.

Edited by theflyingwheel, 11 November 2018 - 18:27.

[jgrwill]

6 pts for Haas today...

Great job guys.. 👍👍
Sauber/Leclerc to fast today..

[Jexz]

Post race Kevin said that their strategy A was to go soft/medium, why didn't they? I can't see why they couldn't, as the lifespan of the super soft is a lot shorter.
After a few laps after the stop, Kevin didn't really gain on Grosjean, until the last few laps where Grosjean seemed to nurse the car home.

[BlindZenDriver]

Post race Kevin said that their strategy A was to go soft/medium, why didn't they? I can't see why they couldn't, as the lifespan of the super soft is a lot shorter.
After a few laps after the stop, Kevin didn't really gain on Grosjean, until the last few laps where Grosjean seemed to nurse the car home.

On the strategy thing I am confused. I was understanding they wanted to go with the softest tires at the end rather than going to the hardest tires, something I think made sense since after going long then switching to the softest tires for the rest should be fine considering the car ebing lighter and there also being a lot more rubber on the track.

 

In Danish media I have seen reported that KMag felt he could have caught and passed Grosjean, but that he opted not to as it would not brought the team more points. I suppose this means he felt that catching and passing Leclerc would have been impossible, so instead he played it safe with the though of also having something in reserve should anything crazy happen.

[balage06]

Grosjean's one lap pace has been excellent lately. But he tends to lose ground on the first lap, hopefully he can finish the season on a high.

[KWSN - DSM]

That was an amazing lap by Grosjean.

 

[BlindZenDriver]

Grosjean did well today. KMag had car trouble with some sort of water leak, not sure if it slowed the car down directly or if it was just a distraction - not getting the optimal doesn't take much being wrong.

 

Hopefully both cars will get points tomorrow, but I think it will take KMag doing one of his great starts as overtaking is not exactly easy on this the most boring of tracks.

[theflyingwheel]

Dissapointing race for Grosjean, strategy played so bad for him but still finished ahead of his teammate again had Romain perfomed like this all season when the car was stronger he could end up ahead of Kmag but that first half did not help.

As for Kmag what is else to say, dissapointing race, terrible start and an end to a dissapointing second half of the season as well as the end of a very irregular season where he deliver rare ok results in the first part when the car was stronger and underperformed horribly compared to his teammate in the sedond half, i believe he is a decent driver for the lower back of the grid since to the dislikes of some of us its a fact that Kmag brinngs some personality and interesting incidents to the race, a random factor like Maldonado somehow but never ferrari or top team material like it was commented in the 2 or 3 races he did ok.

I hope for the next season Grosjean delivers strong results since the begining and avoid the rookie mistakes and i hope Kmag becomes less irregular and less incident prone since next year its gonna be even harder in the midfield and while i dont expect either driver will get to drive a better car than this in their career I believe they can keep the fight with Toro Rosso and Williams next season.

Edited by theflyingwheel, 25 November 2018 - 15:09.

[jgrwill]

Dissapointing race for Grosjean, strategy played so bad for him but still finished ahead of his teammate again had Romain perfomed like this all season when the car was stronger he could end up ahead of Kmag but that first half did not help.

As for Kmag what is else to say, dissapointing race, terrible start and an end to a dissapointing second half of the season as well as the end of a very irregular season where he deliver rare ok results in the first part when the car was stronger and underperformed horribly compared to his teammate in the sedond half, i believe he is a decent driver for the lower back of the grid since to the dislikes of some of us its a fact that Kmag brinngs some personality and interesting incidents to the race, a random factor like Maldonado somehow but never ferrari or top team material like it was commented in the 2 or 3 races he did ok.

I hope for the next season Grosjean delivers strong results since the begining and avoid the rookie mistakes and i hope Kmag becomes less irregular and less incident prone since next year its gonna be even harder in the midfield and while i dont expect either driver will get to drive a better car than this in their career I believe they can keep the fight with Toro Rosso and Williams next season.

Again moaning from your side of the garage..
The cup is always half empty I guess..

The team is happy again for a double point finish..
👍👍👍

[Galoredk]

Dissapointing race for Grosjean, strategy played so bad for him but still finished ahead of his teammate again had Romain perfomed like this all season when the car was stronger he could end up ahead of Kmag but that first half did not help.

As for Kmag what is else to say, dissapointing race, terrible start and an end to a dissapointing second half of the season as well as the end of a very irregular season where he deliver rare ok results in the first part when the car was stronger and underperformed horribly compared to his teammate in the sedond half, i believe he is a decent driver for the lower back of the grid since to the dislikes of some of us its a fact that Kmag brinngs some personality and interesting incidents to the race, a random factor like Maldonado somehow but never ferrari or top team material like it was commented in the 2 or 3 races he did ok.

I hope for the next season Grosjean delivers strong results since the begining and avoid the rookie mistakes and i hope Kmag becomes less irregular and less incident prone since next year its gonna be even harder in the midfield and while i dont expect either driver will get to drive a better car than this in their career I believe they can keep the fight with Toro Rosso and Williams next season.

Finishing 10th (probably could’ve overtaken GRO, but kept back) when starting 13th is pretty good. Especially after that start.
I think his quali was terrible, but he also had mechanical problems too.

Overall it’s approved. I think he’d be wise to work on getting a car with less oversteer next season.

[messy]

Magnussen has had a Bottas season really hasn't he? Impressive early doors, then just....not. But you gotta say, she racked up the points brilliantly early in the season and even taking into account Grosjean's DQ at Monza beat him handily on points. Momentum with Grosjean though - although Grosjean being Grosjean he'll probably DNQ in Melbourne.

[KWSN - DSM]

I think Magnussen had one of the best races of all today, compromised start 1st stint longer than anyone, nursing the tires all along without being too slow, had tires and speed after stop to pick up spot and points. 

 

Grosjean go screwed  by the strategy.

 

 

[Louis Mr. F1]

Kevin's performance had somewhat tailed off in the last 1/3 of the season, he scored a total of 56 points (his most ever yet), 1 more than the 55 he scored back in 2014 (with 2 less races) and finished 9th overall.    I think Kevin needs to work on his qualifying pace in order to maximize the potential of his car.

[Montie]

Dissapointing race for Grosjean, strategy played so bad for him but still finished ahead of his teammate again had Romain perfomed like this all season when the car was stronger he could end up ahead of Kmag but that first half did not help.

As for Kmag what is else to say, dissapointing race, terrible start and an end to a dissapointing second half of the season as well as the end of a very irregular season where he deliver rare ok results in the first part when the car was stronger and underperformed horribly compared to his teammate in the sedond half, i believe he is a decent driver for the lower back of the grid since to the dislikes of some of us its a fact that Kmag brinngs some personality and interesting incidents to the race, a random factor like Maldonado somehow but never ferrari or top team material like it was commented in the 2 or 3 races he did ok.

I hope for the next season Grosjean delivers strong results since the begining and avoid the rookie mistakes and i hope Kmag becomes less irregular and less incident prone since next year its gonna be even harder in the midfield and while i dont expect either driver will get to drive a better car than this in their career I believe they can keep the fight with Toro Rosso and Williams next season.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL