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[statman]

A new season means also new ratings by all kinds of publications which we can agree with, but mostly disagree with based on the history of this topic!!

 

British newspaper The Express

 

Magnussen: 8.5

Grosjean: 8

Ricciardo: 8

Alonso: 8

Hulkenberg 7.5

Raikkonen: 7.5

Leclerc: 7

Vettel: 7

Vandoorne: 7

Sainz: 6.5

Ericsson: 6

Verstappen: 5

Sirotkin: 5

Stroll: 5

Gasly: 5

Ocon: 5

Perez: 5

Hartley: 4.5

Bottas: 4

 

 

The Express forgot to rate Hamilton, no rating behind his name!! 

[jstrains]

I would give him a 9. Ten for Qualifying minus 1 for Mercedes screwing the strategy

[Borko]

Bottas deserves a 2, at best. Crashed in qualifiying, alongside with massive amount of points cost himself and the team 2 PU components (+5 x 2 penalties later in the season), a 2 because he overtook Ocon and Vandoorne.

[krioru]

I would give him a 9. Ten for Qualifying minus 1 for Mercedes screwing the strategy

Minus 1-1.5 for driving through grass when catching up with Vettel. So 7.5-8.

[kosmos]

Gazzetta dello Suck.

 

[Marklar]

I would give him a 9. Ten for Qualifying minus 1 for Mercedes screwing the strategy

If anything minus 1 for that mistake while chasing Vettel.

(Ofc you are technically right though, without the software stuff everyone would probably give a 10)

[JoeDede]

Minus 1-1.5 for driving through grass when catching up with Vettel. So 7.5-8.

 

But then again it is DRIVER rating   So no minus for Mercedes software. 

 

Hamilton 8.5 - 9

[Joseki]

Gazzetta dello Suck.
 

I'm gonna miss Massa's standard 8 just for showing up on the grid.

[Grayson]

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[statman]

If you enjoy driver ratings (and specifically debating whether the numbers are slightly wrong), we've got a special new treat for the 2018 season coming up on Autosport later this morning...

 

[CountDooku]

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Tease! Is Edd Straw going to sign up to the forum?

[Maxioos]

I personally find a 5 for Max far to low. Until his slide he had won every session in VT and Q.

 

3 and 2 point below Ricciardo who lost all sessions, grid penalty and 0.25 lose in Q, for one (small) mistake in race and 4 WDC point less i don't understand.

[PistolPete]

I personally find a 5 for Max far to low. Until his slide he had won every session in VT and Q.

 

3 and 2 point below Ricciardo who lost all sessions, grid penalty and 0.25 lose in Q, for one (small) mistake in race and 4 WDC point less i don't understand.

 

 

I am also a little surprised. He usually gets a rating higher than his actual performance, this time its the other way around. 

[Zava]

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[motohead]

A few other ones:

 

https://www.crash.ne...-driver-ratings ,

Ham 9,

Rai, Vet, Mag all on 8

 

http://competitions....ix-1135957.html,

Mag 8.5

Ham 8 

Rai, Gro, 7.5

 

http://www.f1reader....and-prix-192515 (most likely the same as above, but different explanation)

Mag 8.5

Ham 8

Rai, Gro 7.5

[mclara]

I personally find a 5 for Max far to low. Until his slide he had won every session in VT and Q.

 

3 and 2 point below Ricciardo who lost all sessions, grid penalty and 0.25 lose in Q, for one (small) mistake in race and 4 WDC point less i don't understand.

 

Sometimes a small mistake can have a big impact (not that I'm saying that it was a big mistake).

But opposed to Hamilton's mistake (which was also a small mistake) it had a an impact. Had Hamilton done the same mistake in the opening laps of the race it would have costed him more.

Edited by mclara, 26 March 2018 - 10:19.

[Marklar]

AMuS

Sebastian Vettel: 9/10
Lewis Hamilton: 9/10
Kimi Räikkönen: 9/10
Daniel Ricciardo: 8/10
Fernando Alonso: 9/10
Max Verstappen: 6/10
Nico Hülkenberg: 8/10
Valtteri Bottas: 5/10
Stoffel Vandoorne: 7/10
Carlos Sainz: 7/10
Sergio Pérez: 7/10
Esteban Ocon: 6/10
Charles Leclerc: 5/10
Lance Stroll: 5/10
Brendon Hartley: 4/10
Romain Grosjean: 8/10
Kevin Magnussen: 9/10
Pierre Gasly: 2/10
Marcus Ericsson: 7/10
Sergey Sirotkin: 3/10

[Dimocash]

Sometimes a small mistake can have a big impact (not that I'm saying that it was a big mistake).

But opposed to Hamilton's mistake (which was also a small mistake) it had a an impact. Had Hamilton done the same mistake in the opening laps of the race it would have costed him more.

Well, Verstappen is regarded as a title contender and therefore he is judged different as compared to last year.

[gary87]

Amus rating sucks as always. Charles Leclerc only 5? wtf . he had nursed his car without knowing the fuel consumption for the whole race distance and qualified just thousands of the second below his experienced teammate. what more can you expect from a new rookie

Edited by gary87, 26 March 2018 - 10:39.

[lbennie]

Autosport

 

Vettel 8

Hamilton 9

Raikkonen 8

Ricciardo 8

Alonso 8

Verstappen 6

Hulkenberg 8

Bottas 5

Vandoorne 7

Sainz 7

Perez 8

Ocon 6

Leclerc 7

Stroll 5

Hartley 6

Grosjean 9

Magnussen 10

Gasly 6

Ericsson 8

Sirotkin 5

Edited by lbennie, 26 March 2018 - 10:48.

[Balnazzard]

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Oh now I see....now subscribers get to rate the drivers as well and it shows the average user rating, nice!

Edited by Balnazzard, 26 March 2018 - 10:49.

[krioru]

Oh now I see....now subscribers get to rate the drivers as well and it shows the average user rating, nice!

 

Only for $$$ users

[Zava]

"you don't agree with the scores? place your own ratings in the poll below!" is my bet.

[andrewf1]

I would give him a 9. Ten for Qualifying minus 1 for Mercedes screwing the strategy

 

Why would you subtract -1 for the driver rating if his team screwed up the strategy?

[mclara]

Well, Verstappen is regarded as a title contender and therefore he is judged different as compared to last year.

 

Of course but that also applies to Hamilton and Ricciardo

[Retrofly]

Why does Vettel get rated higher than Kimi?

[JHSingo]

Why does Vettel get rated higher than Kimi?

 

Umm...something to do with winning the race, I suspect.

[statman]

Always amazed by motorsport publications and their rankings, over the top (both positive and negative)

 

I fully expect Sky to give Hamilton a 10 and describe it something like "the world champ gave it all in his heroic drive and flirted with the outer edges of the track"

 

I appreciate the newspaper ratings in the opening post much more now, much more sensible keeping in mind with what I saw yesterday.

[monolulu]

Always amazed by motorsport publications and their rankings, over the top (both positive and negative)

I fully expect Sky to give Hamilton a 10 and describe it something like "the world champ gave it all in his heroic drive and flirted with the outer edges of the track"

I appreciate the newspaper ratings in the opening post much more now, much more sensible keeping in mind with what I saw yesterday.

So Lewis isn’t rated at all😉

Edited by monolulu, 26 March 2018 - 12:04.

[RPM40]

Umm...something to do with winning the race, I suspect.

Not really based on his driving though.

[jefiya]

Not really based on his driving though.

He kept the great Lewis/Merc combo at bay till the end without making a mistake. His win can still be attributed to his driving.

[TomNokoe]

Magnusson 10, bloody hell.

Grosjean should be -1 for parking it in a stupid place

Amus rating sucks as always. Charles Leclerc only 5? wtf . he had nursed his car without knowing the fuel consumption for the whole race distance and qualified just thousands of the second below his experienced teammate. what more can you expect from a new rookie

Gasly, 2!

I think the Autosport surprise is the ability for us to get involved, but it looks the Plus membership is required.

I somehow managed to miss this thread and made one of my own, hopefully the mods delete it before anybody notices

Edited by TomNokoe, 26 March 2018 - 12:25.

[RPM40]

He kept the great Lewis/Merc combo at bay till the end without making a mistake. His win can still be attributed to his driving.

A Renault kept Bottas at bay so that doesn’t mean much

[markelov74]

Sky

Vettel 8
Hamilton 9.5
Raikkonen 9
Ricciardo 8
Alonso 8.5
Verstappen 7
Hulkenberg 8
Bottas 5
Vandoorne 7
Sainz 6
Perez 6
Ocon 5
Leclerc 7
Stroll 6.5
Hartley 6
Magnussen 9
Grosjean 8.5
Gasly 5
Ericsson 7.5
Sirotkin 5

http://www.skysports...-driver-ratings

Edited by markelov74, 26 March 2018 - 12:32.

[SophieB]

Oh now I see....now subscribers get to rate the drivers as well and it shows the average user rating, nice!

This is fun to do, by the way. Filling it in makes me feel oddly powerful!

[jefiya]

A Renault kept Bottas at bay so that doesn’t mean much

But Bottas is certainly not an equal to Lewis. I can't believe you used that example

[JRodrigues]

But Bottas is certainly not an equal to Lewis. I can't believe you used that example

 

If you want to go that route, Hulkenberg/Renault is not exactly Vettel/Ferrari..

[jefiya]

If you want to go that route, Hulkenberg/Renault is not exactly Vettel/Ferrari..

Hehe I was just reacting to RPM40 comment that Seb holding Lewis doesn't mean much for him. I regard Lewis as one of the best so for me, Seb had done a good job defending from him and his formidable Merc.

[Kobasmashi]

Vettel getting a higher rating than Kimi is bizarre. No point in driver ratings if they're just based on finishing positions. Also why have AMuS given the Toro Rossos a 2 and a 4? Where exactly were they expecting them to be?

[Retrofly]

Umm...something to do with winning the race, I suspect.

I thought he won the race due to the sheer luck of a VSC/Safety car. I must have read the wrong race report.

[Joseph85]

Kimi probably got a low rating because Lewis pulled away from him quite easily...especially on the 2nd stint. On the 1st stint, Lewis didn't ''dead'' him but he wasn't under any kind of pressure. But I haven't looked at his times on the softs vs Seb's times on the soft, yet.

[DarthWillie]

Why would you subtract -1 for the driver rating if his team screwed up the strategy?

lot of ratings are based on if the team screws up building the car. Again see Lewis. He did absolutely nothing wrong, but finishing low with that car is difficult task. How to rate him? Was his drive in the race better than Ricciardo?

[TFLB]

Everyone is rating Ocon too high I think, he was miles off Perez in both qualifying and the race. 

[jjcale]

A new season means also new ratings by all kinds of publications which we can agree with, but mostly disagree with based on the history of this topic!!

 

British newspaper The Express

 

Magnussen: 8.5

Grosjean: 8

Ricciardo: 8

Alonso: 8

Hulkenberg 7.5

Raikkonen: 7.5

Leclerc: 7

Vettel: 7

Vandoorne: 7

Sainz: 6.5

Ericsson: 6

Verstappen: 5

Sirotkin: 5

Stroll: 5

Gasly: 5

Ocon: 5

Perez: 5

Hartley: 4.5

Bottas: 4

 

 

The Express forgot to rate Hamilton, no rating behind his name!! 

 

Thou shalt not rate thy God!

[SophieB]

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Edited by SophieB, 26 March 2018 - 14:41.

[Cyanide]

He kept the great Lewis/Merc combo at bay till the end without making a mistake. His win can still be attributed to his driving.

 

Not that difficult to do on a track where it's almost impossible to overtake, especially since Ferrari had more power on the straights.

[Marklar]

Was his drive in the race better than Ricciardo?

They are supposed to be weekend ratings, Ricciardo with a underwhelming qualifying and his red flag mistake shouldnt be even considered for top marks (9-10) IMO.

Hehe I was just reacting to RPM40 comment that Seb holding Lewis doesn't mean much for him. I regard Lewis as one of the best so for me, Seb had done a good job defending from him and his formidable Merc.

When did he defend though? Hamilton was never close enough to even launch anything like a attack (well, and the one time he tried it was too much).

Melbourne is a classic procedure. Of course hard to judge as this was the only Ferrari vs. Mercedes battle with Ferrari in front on that day though. But with few exceptions between teams with high performance deltas this was the standard outcome yesterday.

[gillesfan76]

Autosport

 

Vettel 8

Hamilton 9

Raikkonen 8

Ricciardo 8

Alonso 8

Verstappen 6

Hulkenberg 8

Bottas 5

Vandoorne 7

Sainz 7

Perez 8

Ocon 6

Leclerc 7

Stroll 5

Hartley 6

Grosjean 9

Magnussen 10

Gasly 6

Ericsson 8

Sirotkin 5

 

Vettel and Kimi both on 8, WTF!? Kimi out qualified and was out racing Seb until bad luck. Seb by his own admission said he was struggling to keep up with Lewis and Kimi in the first stint on the ultrasofts. Kimi was brought in early to try a split strategy on Lewis, where Vettel was given the opportunity to go long with a 1 stop and have the potential to try and either force Lewis (and Kimi by default) into a 2 stop, or potentially have Lewis on a 1 stop with very old tyres near the end of the 2nd stint to give Vettel a chance to overtake.

 

In the end it didn't even come to that because of the VSC, but that's not the point. The point is that Seb doesn't deserve the same score as Kimi as he did not perform overall better unless you're giving points out for luck.

[SenorSjon]

lot of ratings are based on if the team screws up building the car. Again see Lewis. He did absolutely nothing wrong, but finishing low with that car is difficult task. How to rate him? Was his drive in the race better than Ricciardo?

 

Bottas did a fine task finishing low.

[TomNokoe]

Oh now I see....now subscribers get to rate the drivers as well and it shows the average user rating, nice!

It would be nice if the process of rating the drivers could be completed for free, perhaps either through logging into your regular Autosport desktop account, or a private link for us dedicated forum dwellers.

I appreciate that viewing the ratings (and reasoning for them) from Straw and the community should command a subscription, but perhaps the opportunity to be involved and put our numbers forward could be re-considered.

Edited by TomNokoe, 26 March 2018 - 14:53.