What are the odds on TR hitting double figures before the end of the year?
High, I'd say. Although, if they alternate changes between the two drivers, then they might just keep below.
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Power Unit usage - 2018
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Posted 23 July 2018 - 22:46
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 09:40
Hungary:
All Ferrari powered cars now on their 3rd ICE, TC and MGU-H, with the exception of Vettel and Räikkönen (but he's on his 3rd TC)
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 2 2 2 1 1 1
Bottas Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Vettel Ferrari 2 2 2 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 2 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 3 3 3 3 3 3
Verstappen Red Bull 2 3 2 3 2 2
Perez Force India 2 2 2 1 2 1
Ocon Force India 2 2 2 1 1 1
Stroll Williams 2 2 2 1 1 1
Sirotkin Williams 2 2 2 1 1 1
Hülkenberg Renault 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sainz Renault 2 3 3 2 2 2
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3º 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 2 2 2 2 2 2
Ericsson Sauber 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Edited by pdac, 27 July 2018 - 09:42.
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 09:46
Honda haven’t had many reliability problems. Their strategy is simply that if the car qualifies at the back then best to get a free engine with little penalty. STR can do this as McLaren did before them because they don’t pay for the engines. Customer teams don’t do this because each engine over the three they’ve paid for over the season would cost them a significant amount and none of them have the spare cash to make such a move worthwhile.I think that's probably true. Honda clearly still have reliability issues but not as bad as last year.
But the FI/Williams reliability is strange. Are they just running turned-down PU settings compared to the works team?
With each race costing about 1% in power due to wear and tear having more fresh units to use can be a significant advantage especially towards the end of the season when the more cash strapped teams STR are competing with try to make do eking out the mileage from well worn engines by turning them down further.
Edited by Talisman, 27 July 2018 - 09:49.
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 09:50
Honda haven’t had many reliability problems. Their strategy is simply that if the car qualifies at the back then best to get a free engine with little penalty. STR can do this as McLaren did before them because they don’t pay for the engines. Customer teams don’t do this because each engine over the three they’ve paid for over the season would cost them a significant amount and none of them have the spare cash to make such a move worthwhile.
It's fair to say that we may not have seen many reliability problems from Honda simply because they are not running their PU for its full expected lifetime. I don't think anything can be said either way about Honda's reliability.
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:09
It's fair to say that we may not have seen many reliability problems from Honda simply because they are not running their PU for its full expected lifetime. I don't think anything can be said either way about Honda's reliability.
Possibly but then Renault clearly has reliability issues that don’t need much mileage to manifest themselves...
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:12
Possibly but then Renault clearly has reliability issues that don’t need much mileage to manifest themselves...
This is true. They made a lot about how they were being cautious about improving performance so as not to affect reliability. Yet, it seems, they have not really increased performance that much, but have reduced their reliability quit a bit.
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:26
Is it correct that the new units for Haas and Sauber are a further along development than Ferrari's? I.e that the two customer team are on an engine 1 step higher up than the Manufacturer?
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 10:29
Is it correct that the new units for Haas and Sauber are a further along development than Ferrari's? I.e that the two customer team are on an engine 1 step higher up than the Manufacturer?
That's what they did with spec 2 so I would assume they're doing that for spec 3 also
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Posted 27 July 2018 - 13:21
That's what they did with spec 2 so I would assume they're doing that for spec 3 also
Nice.
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Posted 28 July 2018 - 11:14
Hungary:
New ES and CE for Hamilton
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 2 2 2 1 2º 2º
Bottas Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Vettel Ferrari 2 2 2 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 2 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 3 3 3 3 3 3
Verstappen Red Bull 2 3 2 3 2 2
Perez Force India 2 2 2 1 2 1
Ocon Force India 2 2 2 1 1 1
Stroll Williams 2 2 2 1 1 1
Sirotkin Williams 2 2 2 1 1 1
Hülkenberg Renault 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sainz Renault 2 3 3 2 2 2
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3º 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 2 2 2 2 2 2
Ericsson Sauber 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 17:27
torro rosso going through engines like crazy I guess they just swapping them almost every weekend even without failures.
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 19:23
TR is fine, it makes sense to introduce even minor upgrades to see how they preform, it’s still very much a test bed year for Honda in prep for RB coming in.
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TR is fine, it makes sense to introduce even minor upgrades to see how they preform, it’s still very much a test bed year for Honda in prep for RB coming in.
Ah, the B-ist of the B teams. When they were Minardi, they might have been a bit rubbish but at least they had their self-respect.
Pity that Renault don't try the same with Red Bull. 'Here's the latest spec PU, Christian' Kaboom, and it's over to Max for his comments '**************************'
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Posted 25 August 2018 - 11:13
Belgium:
New TC for Hulk (=grid penalty)
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 2 2 2 1 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Vettel Ferrari 2 2 2 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 2 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 3 3 3 3 3 3
Verstappen Red Bull 2 3 2 3 2 2
Perez Force India 2 2 2 1 2 1
Ocon Force India 2 2 2 1 1 1
Stroll Williams 2 2 2 1 1 1
Sirotkin Williams 2 2 2 1 1 1
Hülkenberg Renault 3 4º 3 2 2 2
Sainz Renault 2 3 3 2 2 2
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 2 2 2 2 2 2
Ericsson Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Edited by pdac, 25 August 2018 - 11:14.
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Posted 25 August 2018 - 11:31
Missing are at least:
Bottas has everything new and will start at the back of the grid.
Kimi has new ICE.
[edit] (According to local news.)
Edited by Hati, 25 August 2018 - 11:31.
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Belgium;
[Stupid me for not thinking the FIA document labelled "24.08 Technical Report Doc3 - PU Elements Used Per Driver Up To Now" in the link actually pointed to Doc6]
EDIT: I should mention that Mercedes informed the FIA about the new stuff for Bottas the day before Renault did for Hulk
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3º 3º 3º 2º 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º 3º
Vettel Ferrari 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3º 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 3 3 3 3 3 3
Verstappen Red Bull 2 3 2 3 2 2
Perez Force India 3º 3º 3º 2º 2 2º
Ocon Force India 3º 3º 3º 2º 2º 2º
Stroll Williams 3º 3º 3º 2º 2º 2º
Sirotkin Williams 3º 3º 3º 2º 2º 2º
Hülkenberg Renault 4º 5º 4º 3º 3º 3º
Sainz Renault 3º 3 3 2 2 2
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
Ericsson Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Edited by pdac, 25 August 2018 - 11:50.
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Looking at this, I wonder if anyone will get through the season without incurring at least one penalty. Amazingly, at the moment, Verstappen looks like the man most likely to manage it.
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Looking at this, I wonder if anyone will get through the season without incurring at least one penalty. Amazingly, at the moment, Verstappen looks like the man most likely to manage it.
The only thing is that Verstappen has been on 3 turbo chargers since Canada so surely he will take one more.
I'd say Hamilton and Vettel are in the best position but it will be a stretch for them both and unfortunately for us, they might not be pushing at their maximum in the races. 
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Posted 25 August 2018 - 20:35
Hamilton, Vettel, Force India and Williams are the ones that most likely don't get penalties. By calculating by races the third parts should have been taken in next race but I'm pretty sure that they use the new more powerful engines in this and next race because they need the power and then return to old engine for less demanding Singapore.
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Posted 25 August 2018 - 21:17
Going on past history, I would think the Williams cars are the most likely to complete the season penalty-free. Perhaps Force India too.
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Belgium:
New everything for Sainz and Vandoorne
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3º 3º 3º 2º 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º 3º
Vettel Ferrari 3º 3º 3º 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3º 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 3 3 3 3 3 3
Verstappen Red Bull 2 3 2 3 2 2
Perez Force India 3º 3º 3º 2º 2 2º
Ocon Force India 3º 3º 3º 2º 2º 2º
Stroll Williams 3º 3º 3º 2º 2º 2º
Sirotkin Williams 3º 3º 3º 2º 2º 2º
Hülkenberg Renault 4º 5º 4º 3º 3º 3º
Sainz Renault 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º 3º
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º 3º
Ericsson Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Posted 30 August 2018 - 19:55
There seems to be no regulation for what happened to Ocon and Perez. They have now driven for "more than one team", but they are not replacing anyone.
I guess that just means FIA can do what they want and probably continue the count to this new team.
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Posted 30 August 2018 - 21:36
There seems to be no regulation for what happened to Ocon and Perez. They have now driven for "more than one team", but they are not replacing anyone.
I guess that just means FIA can do what they want and probably continue the count to this new team.
They cleared this up before last weekends race: (and I quote from the ruling document 15)
From The Stewards To All Teams,
All Officials Document 15 Date 25 August 2018
Time 11:31
2018 BELGIAN GRAND PRIX 23 - 26 August 2018
The Stewards note the following three decisions of the FIA:
1. On August 23, 2018, Sahara Force India Formula 1 Team was excluded from the 2018 FIA Formula One World Championship with immediate effect.
2. The points that the above team was awarded from its results in Events to date in the 2018 FIA Formula One World Championship under Article 6.2 of the Sporting Regulations are forfeited.
3. The points that the drivers for the Sahara Fore India Formula 1 Team have been awarded from their results in the Events to date in the 2018 FIA Formula One World Championship under Article 6.1 of the Sporting regulations are not forfeited. Instead they are retained by the drivers and may be combined for purposes of said Article 6.1 with any points that the same drivers are awarded from their results whilst driving for the Racing Point Force India F1 Team in Events in the 2018 FIA Formula One World Championship that takes place after 23 August 2018.
In relation to the application of Article 23 of the Sporting Regulations (“Spare cars, engines and gearboxes”) the Stewards note that the matter of the number of power unit elements and gearboxes needs to be settled, in that the current regulations do not appear to take into account the highly unusual situation where a team is excluded mid-season and a new team effectively “replaces” it, and the drivers move from the former team to the new team. The question arises “do the power unit elements and gearbox numbers accumulated to date by the excluded Sahara Force India Formula 1 Team carry over to the new Racing Point Force India F1 Team or do they revert to zero for each of the drivers?”
The Stewards note their responsibility under Article 11.9.1 of the International Sporting Code where they have supreme authority for the enforcement of the Code, which under Article 1.1.1 requires the fundamental principles of “…fairness”.
Article 11.9.2.a of the Code empowers the Stewards to settle any matter which might arise during an event.
The Stewards consider that as the drivers have retained their respective points accumulated to date in the 2018 Events in the Championship it is both logical and fair, that the elements, units and gearboxes used by their respective cars in the excluded team, should carry forward to the new team.
Accordingly, we decide that the numbers of power unit elements and gearboxes referred to in Article 23 of the Sporting Regulations and used to date in 2018 by Sahara Force India Formula 1 Team shall carry forward to Racing Point Force India F1 Team.
It is noted that the Team Principal of Racing Point Force India F1 Team publicly expressed his prior agreement with this.
Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal the decisions of the Stewards (with the exception of those referred to in Article 12.2.4 of the FIA International Sporting Code), in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Article 9.1.1 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicate time limits.
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Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:18
Italy:
New stuff for Red Bull and Hulk:
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º
Verstappen Red Bull 3º 3 3º 3 2 2
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5º 6º 5º 4º 4º 4º
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:34
So has Max changed his ICE and MGU-H or what?
https://www.fia.com/...?token=47wrZITN vs https://www.fia.com/file/72293/download?token=Xa0URKv3
Why doesn't the later document specify car #33 as having changed those parts?
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Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:39
Wow, Hulkenberg used to most parts.
Verstappen allegedly waits for FP3 to decide on spec C?
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Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:45
Italy:
New stuff for Red Bull and Hulk:
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º
Verstappen Red Bull 3º 3 3º 3 2 2
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5º 6º 5º 4º 4º 4º
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
º Change since last GP
Think this is incorrect, Horner said Max hadn't changed engines yet?
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Think this is incorrect, Horner said Max hadn't changed engines yet?
Ah, you could be right. The FIA have published two update documents. One of those mentions Max updates, the other doesn't. I assumed that the latter was incomplete and superseded by the former. I guess it was the other way around (who'd have thought).
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º
Verstappen Red Bull 2 3 2 3 2 2
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5º 6º 5º 4º 4º 4º
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 11:00
Italy:
New ICE for Max and Marcus.
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 2 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º 4º
Verstappen Red Bull 3º 3 2 3 2 2
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5º 6º 5º 4º 4º 4º
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4º 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Edited by pdac, 01 September 2018 - 11:00.
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Abiteboul:
You're currently at 9 ICEs with you own drivers dude... Very impressive.
"I think it's a bit unfair to Renault. I think Honda is progressing, but all the communication of Toro Rosso regarding Honda, when Honda has already introduced 11 or 12 power units.
"Frankly it's a joke, and unimpressive.
You're currently at 9 ICEs with you own drivers dude... Very impressive.
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:16
Abiteboul:
You're currently at 9 ICEs with you own drivers dude... Very impressive.
Was that a recent quote?
Honda looked awfull at the beginning of the season, but Renault has definitely caught up recently. Although I guess Honda will have more parts coming, considering they´ve been running these for some time now?
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:34
Abiteboul:
You're currently at 9 ICEs with you own drivers dude... Very impressive.
Thought the exact same thing when I saw pdac's update. Cyril yet again making a fool of himself.
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:39
Yeah he was talking about how RBR could fool Gasly with the Honda next year but not Ricciardo.Was that a recent quote?
He totally fails trying to diss Red Bull.
https://www.motorspo...3163398/?nrt=54
Edited by A3, 01 September 2018 - 12:41.
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:40
Yeah he was talking about how RBR could fool Gasly with the Honda next year but not Ricciardo.
He totally fails trying to diss Red Bull.
Well... 9 is less than 11 I guess... 
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:45
True. Never said it wasn’t. But the reason Hulk gets a new engine this weekend is because he’s at the back anyway. Same reason as why Toro Rosso took penalties. And to top it off, they’re a test bed for RBR this year anyway. Abiteboul’s comment are just silly.Well... 9 is less than 11 I guess...
He’d better concentrate on keeping 4th spot.
Edited by A3, 01 September 2018 - 12:46.
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Posted 01 September 2018 - 15:51
I've always suspected that Honda were using TR to test new things out to get it right for next year. Maybe Renault are trying the same thing (but can't use RB or McLaren as the guinea pigs)
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:28
Singapore:
Räikkönen and Verstappen catch up with the rest on MGU-H usage:
(no more new components for anyone without penalty now)
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3º 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 4 4 4 4 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 3 3 3º 3 2 2
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 6 5 5 5 3 3
Gasly Toro Rosso 5 5 5 4 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 3 3 3 3 2 2
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Edited by pdac, 14 September 2018 - 12:30.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 21:06
What a shame Verstappen and Bottas engine situation does not match the story of how the Reneault is not reliable.
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Posted 15 September 2018 - 15:36
What a shame Verstappen and Bottas engine situation does not match the story of how the Reneault is not reliable.
It's clear, from the chart, that Verstappen and Alonso just don't push their cars very hard.
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#140
pdac
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 11:20
Russia:
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 5º 5º 5º 5º 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 4º 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 7º 6º 6º 6º 3 4º
Gasly Toro Rosso 6º 6º 6º 5º 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 4º 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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#141
pdac
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Posted 29 September 2018 - 15:29
Russia
More changes for Hartley. Good to see Honda doing what they do best.
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 5º 5º 5º 5º 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 4º 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 7º 7º 7º 7º 3 4º
Gasly Toro Rosso 6º 6º 6º 5º 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 4º 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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Edited by pdac, 29 September 2018 - 15:29.
#142
pdac
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 00:04
Russia:
Looks like the FIA have back-tracked again - It appears that Hartley did not use a new MGU-K after all (just TC and MGU-H):
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 5º 5º 5º 5º 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 4º 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 7º 7º 7º 6º 3 4º
Gasly Toro Rosso 6º 6º 6º 5º 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 4º 4º 4º 4º 3º 3º
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 2 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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#143
pdac
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Posted 07 October 2018 - 12:09
Japan:
(for the record)
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 5 5 5 5 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 4 4 4 4 3 3
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 7 7 7 6 3 4
Gasly Toro Rosso 6 6 6 5 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 4 4 4 4 3 3
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 3º 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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#144
Hati
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Posted 07 October 2018 - 12:29
Japan:
(for the record)
Is it? (A record) I don't remeber seeing (aside from a season opener) a race where there is only one component change.
#145
pdac
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Posted 19 October 2018 - 15:55
USA:
Another Honda
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 5 5 5 5 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 4 4 4 4 3 3
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 7 7 7 6 3 4
Gasly Toro Rosso 7º 7º 7º 6º 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 4 4 4 4 3 3
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 3 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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#146
pdac
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Posted 20 October 2018 - 22:35
USA:
Honda part II
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 5 5 5 5 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 4 4 4 4 3 3
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 8º 8º 8º 7º 3 4
Gasly Toro Rosso 7º 7º 7º 6º 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 4 4 4 4 3 3
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 3 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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#147
BRG
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Posted 21 October 2018 - 16:51
Go for it, Honda! You can make it into double figures yet!
#148
pdac
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Posted 26 October 2018 - 20:14
Mexico:
Honda are indeed going for it
Drv Team ICE TC MGUh MGUk ES CE
Hamilton Mercedes 3 3 3 2 2 2
Bottas Mercedes 4 4 4 3 3 3
Vettel Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Räikkönen Ferrari 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ricciardo Red Bull 5 5 5 5 4 4
Verstappen Red Bull 4 4 4 4 3 3
Perez Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Ocon Force India 3 3 3 2 2 2
Stroll Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Sirotkin Williams 3 3 3 2 2 2
Hülkenberg Renault 5 6 5 4 4 4
Sainz Renault 4 4 4 3 3 3
Hartley Toro Rosso 8 8 8 7 3 4
Gasly Toro Rosso 8º 8º 8º 6 3 3
Grosjean Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Magnussen Haas 3 3 3 2 2 2
Alonso McLaren 4 4 4 4 3 3
Vandoorne McLaren 4 4 4 3 3 3
Ericsson Sauber 4 3 3 2 3 2
Leclerc Sauber 3 3 3 2 2 2
ICE: Internal Combustion Engine
TC: Turbo Charger
MGUh: Motor Generation Unit (heat)
MGUk: Motor Generation Unit (kinetic)
ES: Energy Store
CE: Control Electronics
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#149
SenorSjon
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Posted 26 October 2018 - 20:45
They just bring a new spec every race as a glorified testing run. They are on spec 3, iteration C version 1 now?
#150
Ivanhoe
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Posted 26 October 2018 - 21:16
You must be almost running out of colours for STR pdac
