60 replies to this topic

[NotSoSilentBob]

Pretty straight forward question. Are these Renault issues Red Bull have suffered in the opening races deliberate?

Case in point today: no replacement built-up ready-to-go engine for Ricciardo after his failure. Is that amateur or what?

[GrumpyYoungMan]

No, in the same breath Mercedes didn’t sabotage Hamilton in 2016...

[Arundo]

No, why would they hurt their own image.

[Baddoer]

I guess Honda 2019 is done deal

[DanardiF1]

No, because Red Bull have never had good reliability in the hybrid era, so this is just par for the course.

Edited by DanardiF1, 14 April 2018 - 06:21.

[Spillage]

No.

[NotSoSilentBob]

No, why would they hurt their own image.

It doesn’t, they’re all about their own team now, not RBR.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Is this a joke?

[Ragnar668]

They have been for a couple of years then

[xtremeclock]

Third race and second MGU-H for Renault (SAI/HUL)...

 

Self sabotage ? 

[kosmos]

Probably not, but often, in most teams, things happen around contract talks time, probably coincidence.

[Kev00]

What is it with F1 fans and the word ‘sabotage’?

[SenorSjon]

Because we had the TR drama last year as well with shots (open letters) being fired before they switched to Honda.

Most RB unreliability is Renault parts failing though.

[Ricardo F1]

Red Bull went ultra aggressive on packaging and cooling. This is entirely self inflicted. Same issue McLaren had with Honda really but the Honda engine was far worse.

Edited by Ricardo F1, 14 April 2018 - 06:32.

[RobG]

So you have confirmation its a cooling issue at RBR?

[EightGear]

Lol.

[A3]

Red Bull went ultra aggressive on packaging and cooling. This is entirely self inflicted. Same issue McLaren had with Honda really but the Honda engine was far worse.

Source?

[xmoonrakerx]

What is it with F1 fans and the word ‘sabotage’?

It all started in 2007 mclaren garage

[Ricardo F1]

So you have confirmation its a cooling issue at RBR?

if I follow the logical signs ... we know everyone else was much more conservative and aren’t having the same problem so ...

Edited by Ricardo F1, 14 April 2018 - 06:47.

[HillHamiltonButton]

more likely is that Red Bull did something different in terms of how they use their Renault power units which is causing reliability issues that other Renault teams don't have

 

Ricciardo to me looks like he wants out at the end of the year regardless tbh.

[Risil]

No, in the same breath Mercedes didn’t sabotage Hamilton in 2016...

 

No, why would they hurt their own image.

 

No, because Red Bull have never had good reliability in the hybrid era, so this is just par for the course.

 

No.

 

[josepatches]

Third race and second MGU-H for Renault (SAI/HUL)...

Self sabotage ?

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[Laster]

Ugh. Tin foil hat time, surely it's a bit early in the season for that? Ricciardo will be eyeing the Ferrari and Merc seats before casting a glance to the Renault seats, which are still a second back from the Red Bulls. I'm inclined to think Red Bull or more likely causing some of their own problems, but I'd rather wait until I hear more about their issues. As it is I really do hate the conspiracy theories.

 

It doesn’t, they’re all about their own team now, not RBR.

It does hurt their image, it's their engine seen having issues, not exactly something you want advertised to the millions of potential customers.

[Casey]

Yeh , and the tried really hard at the start of last season to get rid of Verstappen but that didn´t work also .

[Fatgadget]

Pretty straight forward question. Are these Renault issues Red Bull have suffered in the opening races deliberate?

Case in point today: no replacement built-up ready-to-go engine for Ricciardo after his failure. Is that amateur or what?

Amateur on the part of Red Bull yes,for not insisting on ready to go replacement engines.After all they are paying for said engines no?

[LiftAndCoast]

No.

Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

[Victor]

I am sorry NotSoSilentBob but this thread is crap.

 

[pdac]

No

[RPM40]

What?

[Laster]

Another point against this. Renault deliberately making their own engines explode to make Ricciardo leave so they can have him, makes absolutely no sense as it's not Red Bull who Ricciardo will blame - https://www.autospor...ult-can-improve

[maverick69]

Well. It is F1 - and they're heading for a messy divorce...... With the ego's involved and all of that......

 

But, it's highly unlikely. I think Ross Brawn and Liberty would go apeshit.

 

It's just that Renault keep producing (relative) turds because they didn't spend the money upfront. 

[FredF1]

Third race and second MGU-H for Renault (SAI/HUL)...

 

Self sabotage ? 

 

They're doing that to throw everyone off the scent.

[goldenboy]

Oh dear.

[krapmeister]

Well tbh I have to admit the same thought crossed my mind today - not to ensure Ricciardo leaves but to push RBR to go with Honda.

 

But even if it is unlikely that Renault are 'sabotaging' RBR then they sure as hell ain't going out of their way to keep RBR happy/on board. Let's face it, Renault have already said that they don't want to supply RBR any longer - but they are apparently contractually bound to supply engines if RBR wants them. And we all know that Merc and Ferrari aren't going to supply engines to RBR, so the only way for Renault to stop supplying engines to RBR is to have RBR not want Renault engines and go to Honda.

 

Anyway, if RBR does go with Honda and all of a sudden Renault runs a 2018-spec ERS with magic qualy modes and amazing reliability then we will probably have our answer...    

Edited by krapmeister, 14 April 2018 - 13:00.

[LeClerc]

It's threads like this and the Papaya circle-gratification thread that makes me wonder exactly how many of those that follow F1 have ANY clue about race-cars and the R/D and logistic structures around them...

[P123]

In answer to the topic title- Nope, but they have been a huge disappointment so far this season.

[Tsarwash]

No. 

 

What's the effect called, whenever you see a newspaper leading headline that is a question, and the answer is always no ? (Is this the most evil man in Britian ? ,, uh, no.)

Edited by Tsarwash, 14 April 2018 - 16:07.

[Knowlesy]

I am sure Renault will be doing everything they can to be rubbished in the international press every fortnight by the RBR nutters.

[FredF1]

No. 

 

What's the effect called, whenever you see a newspaper leading headline that is a question, and the answer is always no ? (Is this the most man in Britian ? ,, uh, no.)

 

It's called "Autosport Frontpage" in my house.

Edited by FredF1, 14 April 2018 - 14:58.

[Neno]

I hope so, but not likely 

[Nonesuch]

What's the effect called, whenever you see a newspaper leading headline that is a question, and the answer is always no ? (Is this the most man in Britian ? ,, uh, no.)

 
It's commonly known as Betteridge's law of headlines, but it being a rather common occurrence - that is, newspapers running such headlines - it's no doubt a point that has been made by many different people over the years - or centuries, even.

[Mat13]

I'm not sure what ensuring Ricciardo leaves Red Bull would achieve; if he left due to the engines he'd hardly be running to Renault.

Oh, and, no.

[William Hunt]

Off course not, Renault has also been always very very fair to their customers giving their customers equal material, whilst Mercedes and Ferrari kept software options to increase power during the race,'party modes', evolutions or fuel (the Mercedes engine works better with Petronas fuel and they don't allow Petronas to supply other teams) for qualifying for themselves (thus breaking the FIA rules that they have to give an equal engine to customers, if it's true that Mercedes are still using a party mode this year then they are breaking rules and cheating)
 

Edited by William Hunt, 14 April 2018 - 16:48.

[HPT]

Seeing how personnel in F1 move around from team to team and recently from FIA to teams, it would be crazy that any manufacturer would deliberately sabotage their customer. You can't keep a secret in F1 for too long.

[Knowlesy]

I'm not sure what ensuring Ricciardo leaves Red Bull would achieve; if he left due to the engines he'd hardly be running to Renault.

Oh, and, no.

Plus they would just put Gasly or someone in there anyways, who may turn out just as good.

[midgrid]

It does seem similar to the relationship between Toro Rosso and Renault at the end of last season.  Not necessarily in a "Renault are sabotaging one of their customers" way, but in a "our partnership is now in the acrimonious divorce stage" way. 

[PistolPete]

I am sure Renault would not sabotage RB by making them blow up. That would be rather silly as it is quite easy to blame the Renault engine, and hence it damages Renault. If they wanted to hurt RB, they should supply engines with less HP. 

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Seeing how personnel in F1 move around from team to team and recently from FIA to teams, it would be crazy that any manufacturer would deliberately sabotage their customer. You can't keep a secret in F1 for too long.

Depends on how and when you did it... and how many people knew.

[jjcale]

Pretty straight forward question. Are these Renault issues Red Bull have suffered in the opening races deliberate?

Case in point today: no replacement built-up ready-to-go engine for Ricciardo after his failure. Is that amateur or what?

 

Yes ... the same thing crossed my mind 

[Dolph]

Pretty straight forward question. Are these Renault issues Red Bull have suffered in the opening races deliberate?

Case in point today: no replacement built-up ready-to-go engine for Ricciardo after his failure. Is that amateur or what?

 

No