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#51 Risil

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:37

No you didn't but never mind. I know the Schumacher name gives pain to some.


You're really doing this because the OP, which is about the Monaco GP in its entirety and specifically invites members to contribute extra memories and achievements that were overlooked, mentioned Michael Schumacher's pole laps in 1996 and 2012, but not his win in 1997?



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#52 robefc

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:39

I expect the persons that start a thread and want to state previous classic achievments to not avoid certain achievments just because you don't like that driver.

But I know life is not fair. 

 

Well feel frees to start your own next time and you can ensure you are completely fair and impartial so that nobody could possibly have any complaints about classic achievements that have or have not been included.



#53 Risil

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:43

The other notable thing about the 1997 race was that ITV decided it would be a great idea to do the broadcast from a studio atop one of the yachts and when the rain and stormy weather came they all had to wear huge coats and Simon Taylor allegedly spent most of the programme below decks and being sick.



#54 milestone 11

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:43

Sheesh!



#55 restless

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:49

Unless it rains I won't bother to watch the race - no point at all.



#56 Fatgadget

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:05

Unless it rains I won't bother to watch the race - no point at all.

You won't bother watching Monaco unless it rains?..Eish! :eek: ..Lemme guess, I bet you will be watching the wacky races instead! :lol:



#57 A3

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:11

Unless it rains I won't bother to watch the race - no point at all.

 

Dude, nobody cares.



#58 Requiem84

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:11

Monaco is one of those races where just watching the cars blasting through the racetrack is satisfying enough to watch. There's always that tension in the air of a minor mistake which results in a big crash. 

 

The cars last year were the fastest we ever had on Monaco. This year's cars with the new softer tires will have bizarre laptimes. I expect some very very big crashes (hopefully with no injuries obviously!) as the speeds they will take to Tabac and the Swimming pool will start to border on the dangerous side.



#59 A3

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:31

No you didn't but never mind. I know the Schumacher name gives pain to some. 

 

Are you ok?

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#60 A3

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:34

Wehrlein showing his bottom:



#61 P123

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:34

lol, I did mention it, though.


But no Montoya. Where is the Montoya? I demand representation! :) Who could forget the Great Juan's blistering pole position of 2002? The OP is not complete without it.

Oh.... hold on, that's correct, FOM also totally missed the lap (sack them all!), so how could anybody ever recall it!? :(

#62 noikeee

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:51

More Monaco things:
 
- Gilles winning it in 1981. With that ****ing boat of a car. Qualified 15 positions and 2.4 seconds ahead of team-mate Pironi...
- 1989, Stefano Modena on the podium!
- Roberto Moreno dragging an Andrea Moda to an actual race for the first and only time ever in 1992.
- On a sad note, the horrendous crash by Karl Wendlinger in 1994, right after the black weekend in Imola.
- Even sadder, do not ever forget, 1967 and Lorenzo Bandini burned to death :(


#63 metz

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:55

And who can forget Pizzonia's trundle, causing unforgettable frustration



#64 LeClerc

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 13:56

But no Montoya. Where is the Montoya? I demand representation! :) Who could forget the Great Juan's blistering pole position of 2002? The OP is not complete without it.

Oh.... hold on, that's correct, FOM also totally missed the lap (sack them all!), so how could anybody ever recall it!? :(

 

They probably thought he had popped out for a bit to eat.



#65 Myrvold

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:05

Also, Jean-Pierre Beltoise's only driver's championship Grand Prix victory (remarkably, in his former career as a motorcycle racer he had stood on the 50cc podium of the 1964 French Grand Prix) came there in extremely wet conditions in 1972. Youtube has footage, which includes an interesting look at a pre-tunnel but post-chicane run down to Tabac, if you find that kind of thing interesting.

 

Pre-tunnel? It was a tunnel there, just not as long, right?



#66 f1paul

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:07

Some people having a go at the OP should go and make one themselves and make it better than the one we have.



#67 f1paul

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:11



#68 f1paul

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:14

​I've always thought that the 2011 Monaco Grand Prix was underrated. I still remember sweating when watching it because it was so intense and it's a shame that the red flag came out with 10 laps to go because it could have been one of the best races ever. It was still great though.

 

https://www.dailymot...m/video/x2lgoyv

 

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#69 Risil

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:22

Pre-tunnel? It was a tunnel there, just not as long, right?

 

Yeah, there was a short tunnel underneath the 19th-century shooting range. The shooting range was demolished in 1972 and the tunnel was extended, I guess because they built a hotel over the top of it?

 

Speaking of the hotel, the 1981(?) edition of the race was delayed half an hour after a fire in the kitchens caused fluid to leak through the floor onto the racetrack below, creating a treacherous water hazard on the tunnel exit. 



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:25

But no Montoya. Where is the Montoya? I demand representation! :) Who could forget the Great Juan's blistering pole position of 2002? The OP is not complete without it.Oh.... hold on, that's correct, FOM also totally missed the lap (sack them all!), so how could anybody ever recall it!? :(


Let’s not forget his superb win in 2003.

#71 Marklar

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:29

I expect the persons that start a thread and want to state previous classic achievments to not avoid certain achievments just because you don't like that driver.
But I know life is not fair.

The only unfair thing about it is your accusation after someone put a lot effort into this thread. Schumacher moments were mentioned, which defeats your point entirely.

Edited by Marklar, 17 May 2018 - 14:30.


#72 PayasYouRace

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:31

Speaking of Schumacher, there was the time that he crashed out on lap 1 from 2nd place, the time his exhaust burned through his suspension, or the time he brake tested Montoya in the tunnel and came out on 3 wheels.

Plenty of Schumacher moments to speak of.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:39

I absolutely love Monaco. ❤️

How dare anyone question it's place on the calendar. Grrrrr

#74 Fatgadget

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 14:53

Speaking of Schumacher, there was the time that he crashed out on lap 1 from 2nd place, the time his exhaust burned through his suspension, or the time he brake tested Montoya in the tunnel and came out on 3 wheels.

Plenty of Schumacher moments to speak of.

The pinnacle of which was the parking incident! :lol:



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 15:08

 

More Monaco things:
- Even sadder, do not ever forget, 1967 and Lorenzo Bandini burned to death :(

 

Live on the BBC that day. It was horrendous.

Jochen Rindt, final corner,  last lap 1970 deserves a mention. Poor Jack into the straw bales, reversed out and got second though.



#76 Anja

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 16:04

Maybe it's well known already or have been mentioned here and I missed it, but anyway here's the best vintage Monaco (and possibly any vintage racing) footage I've ever seen. 

 


Edited by Anja, 17 May 2018 - 16:05.


#77 Mosrite

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 16:08

Does anyone know of any reason Ferrari would be favored for the win in Monaco? It seems to me it would be good for Red Bull, and if Mercedes has found some improvement in performance, I imagine Hamilton will be able to get pole here and win due to that. Was just checking the betting site and noticed Vettel was favorite, ahead of Hamilton, Ricciardo and Verstappen. I went with my instinct, which tells me Ferrari won't have the best weekend in Monaco either



#78 Clatter

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 16:15

Some people having a go at the OP should go and make one themselves and make it better than the one we have.

Isn't it just one person?

#79 f1paul

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 16:28

Isn't it just one person?

Maybe 2. But lets not get into a debate of who said what and who's in the wrong.

 

Lets just enjoy the build-up!

 

Only 1 week to go. (I say only)   ;) 



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#80 ANF

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 16:47

Maybe it's well known already or have been mentioned here and I missed it, but anyway here's the best vintage Monaco (and possibly any vintage racing) footage I've ever seen. 
 

Wow. Those palm trees before the chicane look intimidating!

#81 Seanspeed

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 16:58

Does anyone know of any reason Ferrari would be favored for the win in Monaco? It seems to me it would be good for Red Bull, and if Mercedes has found some improvement in performance, I imagine Hamilton will be able to get pole here and win due to that. Was just checking the betting site and noticed Vettel was favorite, ahead of Hamilton, Ricciardo and Verstappen. I went with my instinct, which tells me Ferrari won't have the best weekend in Monaco either

No specific reason, but the season hasn't been predictable this year, so I wouldn't think anything is certain by any means. 



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 17:02

 

effin' geezus, this reminds me how much I miss the proper sound, and no $#!tty halo anywhere to be seen. thanks.


Edited by empe, 17 May 2018 - 17:03.


#83 MortenF1

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 17:09

Stand-out memories for me are qualifying 2001, Fisichellas efforts in qualifying 1998 - just 0.59 behind Häkkinen when the Benettons were losing three tenths just on the climb up to the Casino. Hamilton winning in 08 and ‘16. Mark Webber totally owning the race and winning in ‘10.
Rosberg acting like the most awful person after parking it in THAT qualifying session in ‘14.

Bring on this years Monaco GP! I have always loved it. Watching how the drivers are building themselves up and into it right from Thursday free, going quicker and quicker... amazing! It’s so intense I think. Looking forward to it.

Edited by MortenF1, 17 May 2018 - 17:10.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 17:18

Raikonnen going out of the race, then appearing on screen later on a yacht with his top off, complete with FOM name graphic.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 17:24

Senna qualifying in 1988.  There is no other Monaco moment.



#86 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 17:31

Best chance for a Red Bull pole and win. Ferrari have also switched to a long wheelbase car, like Mercedes, this year. So don’t expect them as strong as last year here.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 17:46

Maybe it's well known already or have been mentioned here and I missed it, but anyway here's the best vintage Monaco (and possibly any vintage racing) footage I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube....h?v=sCv-dIFGcd0

What would I give to experience a race at Monaco in those times :love:

#88 SophieB

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 18:10

A poignant note - Monaco 2014  was such a place of joy for Jules Bianchi, scoring his best points finish in a result that meant so much at the time to his team. By the same time the following year he was lying in a hospital bed in a coma he'd never wake up from, less than half an hour from the same track. Life can be cruel and it's as well to celebrate joy and triumph when we can. 

 

Association Jules Bianchi #17 at the #F1 #MonacoGP During the Formula One Monaco Grand Prix, the association will be in front of Manpower 9, Rue Princesse Florestine. Meet us and support the Archet Hospital USCL dept. 1f609.png#JB17

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#89 SophieB

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 18:13

But no Montoya. Where is the Montoya? I demand representation! :) Who could forget the Great Juan's blistering pole position of 2002? The OP is not complete without it.

Oh.... hold on, that's correct, FOM also totally missed the lap (sack them all!), so how could anybody ever recall it!? :(

 

You have me bang to rights there, I had forgotten it. Sorry, JPM! Did they really not manage to capture the pole lap? That is messed up!



#90 Clatter

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 18:29

Damon Hill in 1994. It was the first race after Sennas death and he was Williams lone entrant. Always felt he had a lot to carry there. Unfortunately went out in an early crash.

#91 A3

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 18:36

Still don't know how Sainz didn't hit Ericsson here:



#92 Risil

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 18:41

There was also that time during the opening laps of the 2004 edition when Takuma Sato was driving around with ominous puffs of smoke leaking out of his engine, only for it to let go spectacularly on the run down to the Swimming Pool. Beneath the smokescreen, all manner of chaos and disaster unfolded.

 



#93 Requiem84

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 18:51

There was also that time during the opening laps of the 2004 edition when Takuma Sato was driving around with ominous puffs of smoke leaking out of his engine, only for it to let go spectacularly on the run down to the Swimming Pool. Beneath the smokescreen, all manner of chaos and disaster unfolded.

I sat there, a few more metres towards the swimming pole.

I remember how we really thought that Fisi would have been seriously hurt.

Edited by Requiem84, 17 May 2018 - 18:52.


#94 FNG

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 18:53

Can't remember which race it was but the two Renault cars of Alonso and Trulli were stuck behind someone. Alonso couldn't get past him so after either a pit stop or the team switching them around Trulli was given the chance to get by and promptly did so and then after Alonso watching it being done promptly did so himself. I thought to myself "who says you can't pass at Monaco!"



#95 jjcale

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 19:11

Does anyone know of any reason Ferrari would be favored for the win in Monaco? It seems to me it would be good for Red Bull, and if Mercedes has found some improvement in performance, I imagine Hamilton will be able to get pole here and win due to that. Was just checking the betting site and noticed Vettel was favorite, ahead of Hamilton, Ricciardo and Verstappen. I went with my instinct, which tells me Ferrari won't have the best weekend in Monaco either

You cant count out SV for the same reason you cant count out LH .... the guy is an expert qualifier at circuit where track position is king.



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Posted 17 May 2018 - 19:28

Some peak comedy driving from GP2 at the race start in 2013.

 

 

I love to imagine the thoughts running through those drivers. First you've got the anger of those drivers whose cars are completely untouched, but are stuck in those hilarious double files because they can't turn the car enough to escape. Then there's the dick dasterdly laugh of the driver at the back who spotted the mess and floored it the other side of the bollard, overtaking several drivers who were trying to navigate it properly in the process. And finally the sheer exasperation of the doctor in the medical car, as he tries to work out just which bonehead he should visit first.



#97 rodlamas

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 19:37

 

More Monaco things:
 
- Gilles winning it in 1981. With that ****ing boat of a car. Qualified 15 positions and 2.4 seconds ahead of team-mate Pironi...
- 1989, Stefano Modena on the podium!
- Roberto Moreno dragging an Andrea Moda to an actual race for the first and only time ever in 1992.
- On a sad note, the horrendous crash by Karl Wendlinger in 1994, right after the black weekend in Imola.
- Even sadder, do not ever forget, 1967 and Lorenzo Bandini burned to death :(

 

Senna arriving at Tabac with the car in neutral and then overtaking Gregor Foytek to achiepole in 1990.



#98 SophieB

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 19:46

A typically beautifully written account by Gerald Donaldson of Fangio’s triumph at the 1950 race, escaping the chaos caused by what seemed to be a tidal wave causing havoc at Tabac. http://www.f1speedwr...uan-manuel.html

"I came onto the harbour front and I could detect agitation among the spectators. They were not looking at me leading the race, but were looking the other way. I braked very hard."
- Juan Manuel Fangio

This fascinates me. Malcolm Gladwell’s book Blink is devoted to this sort of thing. The idea of the expert so experienced and skilled that in a single glance, he instantly has the alert of danger because something is wrong with the picture and the confidence to act immediately and decisively.



#99 P123

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 20:22

You have me bang to rights there, I had forgotten it. Sorry, JPM! Did they really not manage to capture the pole lap? That is messed up!


Yep, missed it. The greatest scandal to befall F1 in the noughties. I can't recall anything that comes close.

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#100 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 20:55

Off to Thursday practice this year, sitting at Tabac/entry to Swimming Pool. Very excited!