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#101 Lights

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 21:20

Can't remember which race it was but the two Renault cars of Alonso and Trulli were stuck behind someone. Alonso couldn't get past him so after either a pit stop or the team switching them around Trulli was given the chance to get by and promptly did so and then after Alonso watching it being done promptly did so himself. I thought to myself "who says you can't pass at Monaco!"

2003? I don't remember the moment you talk about though. But it can only be 2003.

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#102 MonacoMaster

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 21:34

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#103 jonpollak

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 21:48

Sophie's OP leads me to believe she is channeling her inner Pat Stoddard

 

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Jp



#104 as65p

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 21:57

I agree, it shows the massive bias. Those are classic moments in F1 in Monaco but since the last name isn’t Senna or Hamilton it doesn’t get mention. I expected better but I should have known...

Then again, Sennas crash in 1988 is always mentioned, but not so much this one.

 

Maybe Sophie should have included it, then MS would have been mentioned 4 times just as Senna, and everyone would be happy. Surely. :p



#105 PayasYouRace

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 22:02

Then again, Sennas crash in 1988 is always mentioned, but not so much this one.
 
Maybe Sophie should have included it, then MS would have been mentioned 4 times just as Senna, and everyone would be happy. Surely. :p


She didn’t but I did.

#106 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 22:15

​I've always thought that the 2011 Monaco Grand Prix was underrated. I still remember sweating when watching it because it was so intense and it's a shame that the red flag came out with 10 laps to go because it could have been one of the best races ever. It was still great though.


Indeed.

Pirelli's best year in F1? Their first. Weird.

#107 krapmeister

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 22:30

Let’s not forget his superb win in 2003.


Monaco is Monaco!

#108 robefc

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 23:14

A typically beautifully written account by Gerald Donaldson of Fangio’s triumph at the 1950 race, escaping the chaos caused by what seemed to be a tidal wave causing havoc at Tabac. http://www.f1speedwr...uan-manuel.html"I came onto the harbour front and I could detect agitation among the spectators. They were not looking at me leading the race, but were looking the other way. I braked very hard."
- Juan Manuel Fangio
This fascinates me. Malcolm Gladwell’s book Blink is devoted to this sort of thing. The idea of the expert so experienced and skilled that in a single glance, he instantly has the alert of danger because something is wrong with the picture and the confidence to act immediately and decisively.


That is an awesome article, thanks for sharing.

#109 beachdrifter

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 23:36

Monaco is great. Until 2 or 3 laps in, then it becomes a borefest, an endless loop.

#110 ArrowsLivery

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 00:10

Unless it rains I won't bother to watch the race - no point at all.


You can say that about every race of F1 2018 and the current aero regulations.

#111 jonpollak

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 00:33

This Just In : Fernando is hosting an Indy500 watch party at Slammers bar in MC.

#112 917k

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:55

Again we have a bunch of folks posting on a thread about a race they claim they won't watch. Think I'll head over to the broccoli forum to talk about a vegetable I don't like and won't eat.

 

Stupid.


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#113 teejay

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:53

Memories that spring to mind - 

 

- German drivers parking where they shouldn't during quali  :lol:

 

But for real - Lewis in 08 - what a day. 

Webber always stepping his game up 

Danny losing his win - even if it was to Lewis, still sucked to watch for him. 

 

Even if it can breed woeful racing, it is a magical place. 



#114 MonacoMaster

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:24

Kimi vs Fernando in 2005:

https://youtu.be/S8suj_tXNyE



#115 Maustinsj

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:03

Again we have a bunch of folks posting on a thread about a race they claim they won't watch. Think I'll head over to the broccoli forum to talk about a vegetable I don't like and won't eat.

Stupid.


Why didn’t the OP mention that famous broccoli incident of 1979?

I’m off...

#116 A3

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:42

Massive 2015 F3.5 crash



#117 Piif

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:43

Last year Monaco was the most uninteresting race I've seen in 25 years. Will be "fun" to see if they can top that.



#118 SophieB

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:02



Sophie's OP leads me to believe she is channeling her inner Pat Stoddard

 

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Jp

 

Not just Pat - all Jessica all the time!

 

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#119 SophieB

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:08

Another perennial Monaco question - wondering vaguely what Zepter do or sell but never enough to go and find out. I enjoy the mystery.

 

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#120 Ragnar668

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:16

Another perennial Monaco question - wondering vaguely what Zepter do or sell but never enough to go and find out. I enjoy the mystery.

 

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Zepter International is a global enterprise, which produces, sells and distributes consumer goods around the world, principally by way of direct sales, and also through stores. Zepter’s products are manufactured in seven Zepter factories based in Germany, Italy and Switzerland.

 

Another mystery solved



#121 jcbc3

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:41

I always thought it was pots and pans.

#122 jcbc3

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:42

My favorite broccoli moment.



#123 steferrari

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:56

Forza Ferrari.  :)

 

P.S. Anybody else thinks that the hyper-softs would probably be able to do the whole race distance?  :D



#124 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:21

Zepter = scepter, sceptre

 

I never thought they would produce anything else. :p



#125 JacobRPP

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:25

Zepter = scepter, sceptre

 

I never thought they would produce anything else. :p

 

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#126 PayasYouRace

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:38

Zepter International is a global enterprise, which produces, sells and distributes consumer goods around the world, principally by way of direct sales, and also through stores. Zepter’s products are manufactured in seven Zepter factories based in Germany, Italy and Switzerland.
 
Another mystery solved


Gotta love a whole paragraph of business speak that says nothing.

#127 Bleu

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:47

Zepter International is a global enterprise, which produces, sells and distributes consumer goods around the world, principally by way of direct sales, and also through stores. Zepter’s products are manufactured in seven Zepter factories based in Germany, Italy and Switzerland.

 

Another mystery solved

 

Not only seen in Monaco GP, but also in Arrows cars in late 1990s.

 

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#128 Mat13

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:54

Thanks to the OP, I now realise I didn't invent the hypersoft tyre the other day, and it is actually that complicated. Ta Sophie! :drunk:



#129 Brackets

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 13:04

 

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Man, all that butthurt about Schumacher, but not a thought is given to poor Freddy Maertens (coz that ain't Michael Smiley, no matter have often you tell me differently)



#130 A3

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 13:20

A diamond lost during an F1 race. Never knew that had happened. :lol: Probably replicas though.

https://jalopnik.com...an-f-1630181199


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#131 Myrvold

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 13:24

Not only seen in Monaco GP, but also in Arrows cars in late 1990s.

 

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Never knew that Power Horse was an energy drink. And bloody banana split, that website is horrible https://www.power-horse.com/en/ (maybe it doesn't load properly on my PC... I hope that's the issue!)

 

Also, I wish the 98 arrows would have a proper engine. Could've been interesting to see the results then.



#132 statman

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 13:36

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#133 noriaki

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 13:55

Great thread. I'd also give a mention to Enrique Bernoldi's Arrows in '01 or '02 and the hapless DC stuck behind him for a zillion laps!

#134 SophieB

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 20:35

Today in '69, 'Mr Monaco' Graham Hill takes his fifth and final win on the streets of the principality.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 20:38

Another perennial Monaco question - wondering vaguely what Zepter do or sell but never enough to go and find out. I enjoy the mystery.

 

Me too.  It actually took me about a decade to decide whether it was ZEPTER or ZEPFER due ot he peculiar font used.  But just one of the many F1 sponsors who I have never heard of before or found out what they were peddling. So much for getting wide coverage when people like me remain completely in the dark.

 

As for Monaco, just another crappy track to tolerate until we reach Spa.



#136 TomNokoe

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 22:35

What are we thinking on the competitive order?

Red Bull, Renault, McLaren and Toro Rosso to make relative gains?

#137 Grundle

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 22:45

I think Red Bull have this one, so it will be 2 wins each for Fer Mer and RB in 6 races 😏

#138 beachdrifter

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 22:49

According to Bottas, Red Bull are favorites for Monaco!

#139 Lights

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 05:15

I believe Red Bull could be best in race trim.

 

Which is fairly useless when you start 5th and 6th, so they need to get qualifying together more than ever.



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#140 Kalmake

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 05:32

What are we thinking on the competitive order?

Too close to call between top 3 WCC teams. It comes down to driver nailing qualifying and then pit strategy/luck.



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Posted 19 May 2018 - 06:05

 

 

Great lap.

 

I really miss 2010. To me it was the last season F1 came close to what it should be. Fast agile cars with a minimum of gimmicks, great racing and a classic title battle between 5 drivers and 3 teams. Even the more processional races still had an element of genuine tension as they shifted the title battle one way or another. And the cars...

 

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I bet Vettel will win the GP. Mercedes is still a diva, the Red Bulls appear to suffer in qualifying; so Vettel should get pole and controle the race. The other 5 guys should make it exciting though.



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Posted 19 May 2018 - 08:33

#OnThisDay in '57 Fangio won at Monaco in a Maserati 250F: mega driver, mega circuit, mega car. Pic: Moss (Vanwall) leads Fangio through Massenet into Casino Square on lap 1, with Collins (Ferrari) 3rd. This is archetypal #fever, as the much missed HHF would I'm sure have agreed.

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No nasty surprises in long-term weather forecasts for #MonacoGP #F1

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#143 Paincake

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 09:00

I'm hoping Ricciardo makes it up this year for the screw up by Red Bull in 2016. It was his race to win, even Hamilton admittedly said so. Another pole position by Ricciardo will definitely be exciting... + we'l get a big smile so why not.  :clap:



#144 David Lightman

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 09:31

Great to see a Spaced reference in there Sophie. Oi oi you lucky people!



#145 Pits

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 09:33

I'm hoping Ricciardo makes it up this year for the screw up by Red Bull in 2016. It was his race to win, even Hamilton admittedly said so. Another pole position by Ricciardo will definitely be exciting... + we'l get a big smile so why not.  :clap:

 I remember Ricciardo got the favor returned already with the pitstop strategy that put him in front of a faster Verstappen....?



#146 Pascal

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 10:34

Monaco will always be a very special race for me. The simple reason for that is that for many years I had had the privilege to call it my "home Grand Prix". And in addition to proximity, I've been lucky enough to be involved in its organization in several fields.

But let's go back to the start first. My family moved to the Principality in 1979, so the first Grand Prix I was exposed to was the 1980 edition. My dad worked in an office located in one of the large buildings towering above the harbour on the Monte-Carlo side, and the race was traditionally an excuse to throw a party inviting clients and family. From the large balcony, the view allowed us to see the cars go around the swimming pool and then up to Rascasse. More importantly, we had a perfect view over Sainte Dévote. So the first thing I saw of the race that year was this:

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As an 11 year old, I didn't have much knowledge about race cars, let alone F1 in general, but after seeing this I was quickly hooked.

Four years later, I managed through relations to get enlisted as a volunteer for the Monegasque Red Cross and work on the track as a first aid worker. Luckily, I got assigned a prime spot right at the first swimming pool curve. I was unbelievably happy, because not only could I see the cars go by up close, I had a pit pass that allowed me to spend a lot of time in the pit lane between practice sessions. One thing that struck me about my advantageous position just on the other side of the guard rails is how clearly I could actually see the drivers' eyes! And the one that struck me the most was René Arnoux. I had the opportunity to have a chat with him years later, and he is a charming fellow, but in his car he had the eyes of a psychotic killer. I also have memories of walking down the pits and seeing a young Stefan Bellof hiding under some car body parts to surprise Ken Tyrrell who was obviously looking for him. That scene was hilarious but at the same time very touching because there seemed to be genuine fondness between the young German newcomer and his much older English boss.

Speaking of Tyrrell, I also was witness during practice to a very serious crash from his other driver that year, Martin Brundle. For some unknown reason, he exited Tabac way too fast, and his car came crashing sideways into the rail, ripping up pretty much one entire side in the collision. At the point the car flipped upside down and continued its motion for a few seconds, with the roll-bar scraping the tarmac. It finally came to a stop less than 50 metres from where I was. Immediately, marshals jumped into action, and put the car back on its two remaining wheels. The driver seemed unconscious, with his head down and both arms hanging limp out of the tub. I was in the process of grabbing my stretcher when suddenly Brundle came back to life. His head popped up and he quickly unstrapped himself and jumped out of what was left of his car. He proceeded to jog towards the pits, but then stopped right on the other side of the track from where I was. He removed his helmet and balaclava, looking confused, and then turned around to look at the wreck he just came out of. I'll never forget how quickly his face turned completely white! Many years later, I remember reading that he eventually got back to the pits, and was in the process of getting into the spare car when Ken Tyrrell approached him to ask what track they were on. Brundle was unable to answer, so he had to sit out the rest of the race weekend.

The year was 1984, so the race turned out to be epic because of the weather. Even now, 34 years later, I can't recall another instance when I have felt this soaked in my entire life. I was wearing a rain poncho, but it was way insufficient to prevent the rain, and the spray generated by the cars running close-by, to soak my bones. I mostly have memories of the end of the race, when Prost had got the lead but very obviously no longer had working brakes. You could distinctly hear that he was relying on engine braking to slow the car down. Meanwhile, a young Brazilian newcomer was showing the world what he was made of with a very impressive display of his raw talent. Senna, fresh from his British F3 title the year before, was gaining up to 6 seconds per lap over the leader, and his car control was very impressive. More impressive still was the chap in third place. Stefan Bellof too was gaining on Prost's crippled McLaren, but to do so he was driving on a razor's edge. The car was swerving all over the place, and I was fully expecting not to see it the next lap, but it kept showing up in front of me, lap after lap. By that time, I was growing very concerned because the part of the track where I was stationed was starting to flood, the drains unable to keep up with the rain. So the fact that the race was stopped early came as no surprise. It's later that day that I found out that there was controversy about the timing of the red flag, with some people alleging that the rain had not been falling as hard as before at that specific moment. Well, from where I stood, I say bollocks to that. If race marshals saw parts of the track flooding like I did myself, the red flag was perfectly logical.

A year later, I was once again assigned the role of first-aid worker on the track, but this time at the end of the Beau Rivage climb, just before the start of Massenet. Compared to the previous year, the 1985 edition almost seemed boring. But that was not counting on Andrea de Cesaris' known propensity to destroy cars, as he crashed his Ligier at Massenet during practice, the car being reduced to bits. I still have some of them in a box somewhere, kept as a memento. That same year, I was also running a dissident school newspaper (long story), and I had decided to do a some interviews of drivers. So I showed up in the Paddock and violated my naturally shy personality to ask drivers to answer a few questions. Many just ignored the pesky teenager I was, but two gentlemen obliged with my basic questions: Patrick Tambay and Andrea de Cesaris. Class acts, both of them.

In 1986, I was back to my 1984 spot near the swimming pool. The one thing I remember from that year is the way I could tell only by sound that Senna was on a fast lap in his Lotus. While Prost seemed to always lap at the same speed, you could tell by the sound of Senna's car passing through the start line that he was attempting a fast lap. It was pretty spectacular, and quite hard to describe actually. It just felt electric! I managed to take a few pictures that year, but I'll have to scan them properly, so that will be for another post.

In 1987, I started working for the Automobile Club de Monaco in the Grand Prix press room. For a few years, I was part of a team printing the press releases and official time-sheets. It might sound strange to think of a job which basically consisted in operating a bunch of large copy machines as fun, but I was part of the show, and that was awesome.

It became even better when in the early 90s I switched to being in charge of writing the press releases, both in French and in English. I would get reports directly from the marshals or the race Director's office, and I was tasked with turning them into something intelligible for the journalists in the press room. I had a few TV screens above my computer, some showing the internal CCTV views, so I did get a glimpse of the action, but I mostly was focused on my work. It therefore became tradition for me to actually watch the race the following evening, finally seeing the things I was writing about. And while I still had a badge giving me full track access, I no longer had much time to take advantage of it. The only thing I insisted on doing was to walk down the grid before the start of the formation lap. The tension was palpable, and it was interesting to see how each driver coped with it.

I stopped doing this in the late 90s, as by that time I no longer was living in the Principality. But I still religiously watch every Monaco Grand Prix because it remains an event taking place in my former home and I am familiar with its organization. It might be a boring race to some, but it will never be for me.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:05

 I remember Ricciardo got the favor returned already with the pitstop strategy that put him in front of a faster Verstappen....?

 

 

Nah that was to make up for Barcelona...



#148 A3

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:18

Thanks Pascal for your story. And kudos to Sophie, calling upon other posters to add interesting stuff has made this one of the better build up threads IMO. No offence to others' opening posts, which are often very good.  :up:  :up:



#149 A3

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:18

Nah that was to make up for Barcelona...

 

:lol:

 

Then he got Baku 2017 for Monaco 2016.  :drunk:


Edited by A3, 19 May 2018 - 11:19.


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:18

Worst circuit on the grid. Makes Barcelona and Valencia feel like must-see events. I'll watch, but only because I'm a slave to the sport. Otherwise this race is a guaranteed afternoon nap.