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Daniel Ricciardo vs Max Verstappen 2018: Part 2


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#1 Risil

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 22:11

The lads were having a ton of fun again today at Zandvoort

https://twitter.com/...252350618906624

https://twitter.com/...228544814768128

 

Seems as good a place to start as any. Call it a metaphor, or objective correlative, I dunno. :)



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#2 MastaKink

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 22:17

First  :clap:



#3 Danyy

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 22:20

LOL at the caravan roll enjoyed both their reactions

#4 Heyli

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:02

It´s a bit disappointing they didnt re-enacted the Baku race, but it looks like they had fun!



#5 DaanF1

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 07:32

Erm...? Lol!  :lol:

 

https://twitter.com/...1498840064?s=19



#6 Freeze011

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:21

Gotta love the Dad dancing David does as well :D

 

EDIT: I guess this was one wreck Max didnt want to be involved in :p


Edited by Freeze011, 21 May 2018 - 08:22.


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Posted 21 May 2018 - 08:43

 

Hahah love it. that was awesome!  :rotfl:



#8 DaanF1

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:16

Dan the Man  :cool:

 

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Edited by DaanF1, 21 May 2018 - 09:22.


#9 Heyli

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:49

Dan the Man  :cool:

 

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 Oh my, this is going to trigger another round of discussions obviously ;).



#10 SmallHorsey

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 11:55

I'm the first to admit I'm not always the best at reading the signs... but that looks like a man who doesn't think he's at fault.

#11 Freeze011

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 13:08

That quote was from earlier in the season, doesn't have anything to do with recent events. Don't read more into it.



#12 Ivanhoe

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 13:15

It’s on his helmet

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#13 SmallHorsey

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 14:07

It’s on his helmet

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This is from where? Sure seems like a guy who's not worried about his future. I wonder what that means.

#14 A3

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 14:15

It’s from China, he has used different quotes in every race so far. I think this one is from a song of his favorite band or something.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 14:50

That quote was from earlier in the season, doesn't have anything to do with recent events. Don't read more into it.

 

Yes it's the quote on his helmet, but in the picture from Zandvoort he's flipping the bird as well. So it could be a not so subtle subliminal message. I'm on Ricciardo's side btw, I think in Baku Max was at fault. A roughly 90% chance Dan will leave RB at the end of the season IMO.


Edited by fastest, 21 May 2018 - 15:06.


#16 Dratini

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 03:39

Yes it's the quote on his helmet, but in the picture from Zandvoort he's flipping the bird as well. So it could be a not so subtle subliminal message. I'm on Ricciardo's side btw, I think in Baku Max was at fault. A roughly 90% chance Dan will leave RB at the end of the season IMO.

I think Dan flipping the bird is just him trying to be fun for the fans. It certainly wouldn't make sense for his holding a "I won't apologise" sign to be aimed at the Baku incident considering he did apologise already.

On the 2019 contract front I'd put it somewhere around 60-70% chance he stays at RBR. Ferrari will always operate on a 1-2 basis and there's just as much chance Dan accepts a number 2 position as there is that Ferrari relegated someone they're paying so handsomely (Vettel) to a number 2 position. With respect to Mercedes they probably identify that Bottas is performing strongly enough to secure them the WCC while not creating a detrimental team atmosphere such as what we saw with Rosberg and Hamilton. Unless of course you suspect Dan might go to Renault or McLaren, which is too big a gamble in my view.



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 04:12

For all those who like a bet.

 

This race marks the first race since mid last year that Dan & Max share equal odds in both qualifying and race at all the major European betting agencies.

 

It seems public perception is starting to swing back towards Dan now.



#18 Ivanhoe

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 05:57

Well this is Monaco, Ricciardo territory. I‘m not a betting man, but would not be surprised if it’s the first time Dan doesn’t have better odds than Max, that would be another way to look at it.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 22 May 2018 - 05:58.


#19 lbennie

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 06:12

Didn't max outqualify him there last year?



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#20 RPM40

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 07:21

Well this is Monaco, Ricciardo territory. I‘m not a betting man, but would not be surprised if it’s the first time Dan doesn’t have better odds than Max, that would be another way to look at it.

 

Im not so sure Monaco is "his" track as many people say. I think he's generally better at COTA and Abu Dhabi. Those stand out as more his than Monaco.



#21 Freeze011

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:29

Yes it's the quote on his helmet, but in the picture from Zandvoort he's flipping the bird as well. So it could be a not so subtle subliminal message. I'm on Ricciardo's side btw, I think in Baku Max was at fault. A roughly 90% chance Dan will leave RB at the end of the season IMO.

Care to share with the others the variables you used to determine a number like 90%? Cause to me it sounds like it is pulled from nature's pocket.



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:48

Didn't max outqualify him there last year?

 

Indeed. He was mighty in 2016, but outqualified last year and given the favorable strategy. Overtaking is impossible unless it is wet (and stays that way).



#23 Dratini

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 10:25

Didn't max outqualify him there last year?

Daniel had bemoaned the fact he was brought out into traffic on his final Q3 run. How much of an impact that had I can't remember.



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 11:46

His warm-up lap was in traffic, so he didn't have warm enough tires to his liking. They should do two laps to warm-up I think.



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 12:27

First time for the hypersofts, should be good



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Posted 22 May 2018 - 14:03

Care to share with the others the variables you used to determine a number like 90%? Cause to me it sounds like it is pulled from nature's pocket.

 

Correct



#27 zanquis

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 13:50

Im not so sure Monaco is "his" track as many people say. I think he's generally better at COTA and Abu Dhabi. Those stand out as more his than Monaco.

 


I think it has more to do that the RBR cars are better on tracks like Monaco (and Singapore) that with Dan 2016 reputation they think those or his best tracks despite him as a driver excelling a bit better at COTA and Abu Dhabi, but there the car hinders him more. It also didn't help that people would think that max wasn't strong in Monaco. but they forget Monaco 2016 despite winning the previous race was only Max his second race in the RB12 car and people focused too mcuh on his off moments that they missed the absolute fast laps he did in between. And I hope that RedBull can give Dan a Monaco win after his 2016 debacle... he should totally win Monaco while driving the RBR in 2019.. This year Max needs to win to shut down criticasters. Max drove great in 2015 until he made an error, 2016 was a disaster but still in race he was fastest on track until he was caught out, 2017 he was maybe fast but thanks to Bottas we would never find out. Max needs his first pole to win race :p

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 14:29

Both red bulls looking really good, a cut above the rest. Dan is so hooked up.

Edited by gowebber, 24 May 2018 - 14:31.


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 14:35

Could be another bee's dick here this weekend. 

 

Both guys  :up:  



#30 Freeze011

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 14:38

gonna come down to who gets the best track position for their final run, if neither blows it in earlier sessions.



#31 geralt

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 14:39

It looks really good for the boys to lock out the front row, but I wouldn't count out Seb just yet



#32 Kao18

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 14:44

Both red bulls looking really good, a cut above the rest. Dan is so hooked up.


I would say Max looks at least as hooked up. At the time everyone was doing fast laps Max looked really on it and hard to beat imo.

It could be me but it looks as though Dan is intend on setting fastest laps at times when others have other priorities these last couple races. Perhaps something to do with still trying to sell himself to Merc or Ferrari or perhaps for a bit of extra confidence heading into quali? Nice lap nevertheless!

Lets see Saturday I still think Max will get his first pole.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 14:55

I would say Max looks at least as hooked up. At the time everyone was doing fast laps Max looked really on it and hard to beat imo.

It could be me but it looks as though Dan is intend on setting fastest laps at times when others have other priorities these last couple races. Perhaps something to do with still trying to sell himself to Merc or Ferrari or perhaps for a bit of extra confidence heading into quali? Nice lap nevertheless!

Lets see Saturday I still think Max will get his first pole.

I'm not sure there's much wrong with Dan setting fast laps over doing a race sim considering track position is everything and the opening stint is predicted to last the duration of the race.

Having said that I agree that Max is right up there and probably expect him to take pole at this point. Dan has gone faster but Max has done so I'd say, more 'effortlessly'.



#34 SmallHorsey

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 14:56

I don't

#35 Grundle

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 15:01

Dan has an an edge in s3 that will be decisive

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 15:03

This put him 0.194s ahead of Verstappen, although the Dutchman would have posted a lap of 1m11.765s had he strung his three best sector times together.


Edited by Vollegas, 24 May 2018 - 15:19.


#37 RPM40

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 15:32

This put him 0.194s ahead of Verstappen, although the Dutchman would have posted a lap of 1m11.765s had he strung his three best sector times together.


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 15:39

Dan has an an edge in s3 that will be decisive


I thought the difference in S3 was 0,050? (Didnt double check).

Max looked to be on pace a bit faster. Straight out of the gates into the low 1.12’s. Dan needed some more time and in the end an extra run on low fuel whereas Max already focussed on the long run pace.

Both guys looked really solid and fast today, with the slight nodge towards Max. Good thing for Dan is that we now have the Hypersoft tires, which should not have any warm up issues like last year.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 16:29

They look on it, nothing between them so it's going to be really intense on Saturday...

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#40 MortenF1

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 16:35

Yeah, seems like Verstappen is actually a little faster here. Ricciardo had more go’s I think and did set his time later.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 16:56

Although I think Verstappen is the better driver... I am wary for his chances against Ricciardo in Monaco. Max is just not that kind of driver who can switch off the 'fast-as-can-be'-button and Monaco bites those kind of drivers... with the exception of Aerton Senna (who actually twice was bitten very much in Monaco).

 

It will be a very exiting Grand Prix and race between them, I am sure!



#42 SmallHorsey

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 17:02

I hope max can show his superiority this year. He won't be 17 forever.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 17:21

I hope max can show his superiority this year. He won't be 17 forever.


Isn’t Ricciardo rapidly appoaching 30, being in his prime and all? :-)

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 17:44

Although I think Verstappen is the better driver... I am wary for his chances against Ricciardo in Monaco. Max is just not that kind of driver who can switch off the 'fast-as-can-be'-button and Monaco bites those kind of drivers... with the exception of Aerton Senna (who actually twice was bitten very much in Monaco).

It will be a very exiting Grand Prix and race between them, I am sure!

Reading his last interviews, I hope he now can and knows the importance of it.

He stated: "winning Monaco isn't hard, just get pole, create a small gap, make good pitstop and stay out of the walls." So he should know small gap is enough and driving as fast as possible isn't needed.

Let's see if he can bring theory in practice.

Pole and win would be nice, but the big points are a must. He and they (Ric and RBR) need the big points in this race so the others don't get them and they come closer in the rankings. Less than double podium besides mechanical would be very disappointed. A Ricciardo win and Max p2 I would not care and would be glad for both drivers and team. The team deserves the 43 points here with what they have produced, it's on our boy's to think same and deliver it. Didn't see long-run times yet, wasn't on ams yet. and watching live timing only last hour, but Max his time on used tires where very good for what I could see. Very consistent.

Edited by Maxioos, 24 May 2018 - 18:40.


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 18:58

Although I think Verstappen is the better driver... I am wary for his chances against Ricciardo in Monaco. Max is just not that kind of driver who can switch off the 'fast-as-can-be'-button and Monaco bites those kind of drivers... with the exception of Aerton Senna (who actually twice was bitten very much in Monaco).

It will be a very exiting Grand Prix and race between them, I am sure!

I think the evidence points out he can very easily be a driver who can drive to keep it out of the wall. Especially on a dry track. None of the conditions that led to a retirement ever are there when he is leading. Defending a lead is easier there than say Barcelona.

Edited by zanquis, 24 May 2018 - 19:00.


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 20:29

I think the evidence points out he can very easily be a driver who can drive to keep it out of the wall. Especially on a dry track. None of the conditions that led to a retirement ever are there when he is leading. Defending a lead is easier there than say Barcelona.

 

I agree totally. He has got the talent, he has got the ability. But there is this nagging voice in my head that says that Graham Hill won 5 Monaco's and Jim Clark 0... Rosberg won 3, Hamilton 2. Webber 2, Vettel 1. It is not always the most talented driver of pairings that win Monaco...

 

EDIT: Vettel won 2. Duh.


Edited by Nemo1965, 24 May 2018 - 20:37.


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 21:10



#48 RPM40

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 21:34

Looking promising so far. I think they've actually got it here



#49 Freeze011

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 21:34

I never took Max to be a vexillologist...



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Posted 24 May 2018 - 22:07