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#101 B Squared

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 13:00

Zak Brown says McLaren's IndyCar future in 2019 is "favorable" - per Racer:

https://racer.com/20...rable-for-2019/

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#102 H0R

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 15:21

It is looking more and more like a full McLaren entry in 2019. The only question remaining is, if Andretti would be able support additional cars. Zak Brown and Eric Boullier seem to have connected up with SPRINT. At least that is what I am reading out of their latest Twitter contact news. If I am right, a full blown entry would be on a stable financial basis.

 

Now they would just need a second driver besides Alonso. Either they take one out of Andretti's current roster, probably Zachary Crème de Menthe, or a veteran driver with lots of expertise and a hunger to race. Enter Helio Castroneves.



#103 maximilian

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 15:40

Not so sure McLaren will necessarily enter 2 cars right away, even though that would be great.  I expect them to field one car at first, for Alonso, with Andretti.  Then, go to 2 cars when ready on their own.

 

I doubt Castroneves would leave Penske for McLaren, although I'd love to see that, too.  It's more likely they'll go for a younger driver to build up in the long term, either someone already in IndyCar, or who ever will be their odd man out junior driver among Vandoorne, de Vries, and Norris.  Jack Harvey is also a former McLaren junior driver.


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#104 B Squared

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 15:48

I doubt Castroneves would leave Penske for McLaren...

I think that is correct - nor Montoya.

#105 noriaki

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 16:08

Harvey or Munoz would make plenty of sense for a 2nd car.



#106 Bleu

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 16:25

Starting with 1 full-time and 2nd car for Indy would make sense.

 

With the involvement of his father, would it make sense if Nicholas Latifi would move to Indycar - his performances don't suggest a good chance in F1?



#107 Nonesuch

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 17:27

The prospect of Alonso racing in these fast and mostly-equal cars (because they all want that Penske) is - appealing, to put it mildly.

Make it happen! :up:

#108 Myrvold

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 18:56

Either they take one out of Andretti's current roster, probably Zachary Crème de Menthe


Uhm? ZCD isn't affiliated to Andretti at all? Unless you are applying some weird nickname to Veach?



#109 Disgrace

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 19:06

Harvey or Munoz would make plenty of sense for a 2nd car.

 

Harvey wouldn't, unless they need a budget top-up. They need an experienced oval driver in the second seat. Kimball and Chilton attract derision but Carlin played it perfectly with two experienced drivers, one oval specialist and one road course specialist.



#110 Frood

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 19:54

Did you lot know that the sound of a failing McLaren-Renault exhaust sounds almost like IndyCar calling to Fernando Alonso?



#111 Anja

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 19:58

McLaren entering Indy would be a perfect situation for Alonso. He gets to actually race but still remains with the team so if by some miracle they produce a competitive car in the next few years, in theory he could return for the last shot at F1. 



#112 Vielleicht

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 20:01

I just think Alonso and McLaren to IndyCar is a no brainer at this point.



#113 maximilian

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 01:53

Latifi could be an outside possibility sometime later (although I am not sure he's good enough, and don't think he'd get the nod over someone like Vandoorne), but not in the early going... don't think McLaren would go for a rookie alongside Alonso in their first couple of seasons.

 

PS: like jonpollak below, I also agree that Munoz would be a perfect candidate, and perhaps the very best option to actually start with 2 cars instead of 1.


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#114 jonpollak

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:23

Munoz is a great idea.

#115 BJHF1

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:37

The prospect of Alonso racing in these fast and mostly-equal cars (because they all want that Penske) is - appealing, to put it mildly.

Make it happen! :up:

 

Same here. Especially with the fact that these cars like sliding around so much particularly on the bumpy street circuits. Combine that with Alonso's magical car control skills and we should be in for quite a show  :smoking: Next year can't get here soon enough...



#116 kapow

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:41

McLaren entering IndyCar can surely only be about selling road cars in America?

If they have a two car team, wouldn't they be looking for an American driver to partner Alonso?

#117 Vielleicht

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:52

Alonso has been what can only be described as flirting with IndyCar on twitter again. The man certainly wants to do this.
 



#118 Ben1445

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:59

McLaren entering IndyCar can surely only be about selling road cars in America?
 
If they have a two car team, wouldn't they be looking for an American driver to partner Alonso?

If Michael hadn't bumped Rossi from the 98 entry to the 27, I would say McLaren-Andretti with Alonso and Rossi as teamamates and the Herta 98 ready for Colton Herta was possible. But something about that switch tells me Michael Andretti wants to keep Rossi for himself.



#119 Myrvold

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:11

Latifi could be an outside possibility sometime later (although I am not sure he's good enough, and don't think he'd get the nod over someone like Vandoorne), but not in the early going... don't think McLaren would go for a rookie alongside Alonso in their first couple of seasons.


Nod over Vandoorne? Is this a theory of McLaren pulling out of F1? Vandoorne leaving the F1 teams as well? I don't quite get where Vandoorne comes in to the equation here.

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#120 maximilian

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 13:27

Nod over Vandoorne? Is this a theory of McLaren pulling out of F1? Vandoorne leaving the F1 teams as well? I don't quite get where Vandoorne comes in to the equation here.

 

The thought being that Vandoorne hasn't exactly set the F1 world on fire, which COULD mean that his days in McLaren F1 might be numbered (Norris comes knocking).  Of course, if Alonso leaves F1, it might be a blessing for Vandoorne, who may be retained there in the newly open spot alongside Norris.  Nyck de Vries is out there, too... not sure if I believe in a Norris/de Vries lineup - tend to believe McLaren would try to grab someone more experienced from outside their own junior programme.  Norris/Vandoorne is possible, of course, too.  



#121 Muppetmad

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 15:11

Norris/Vandoorne is the likely combination. To be entirely candid, de Vries hasn't proven himself worthy of taking the seat over Vandoorne so far this year.



#122 Risil

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 16:17

Alvaro Parente! He's a McLaren driver, has driven their GTs in America, and used to battle with Charlie Kimball and Mike Conway in British F3. 



#123 FLB

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 16:23

How about Paul di Resta for McLaren in IndyCar?

 

1. He's driven for Zac Brown (United Autosport in IMSA);

2. Mercedes is pulling out of the DTM (an ex-Mercedes DTM driver is doing rather well for himself in IndyCar);

3. Cousin to a multiple Indy 500 winner (and someone who's rather passionate about it).



#124 jonpollak

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 16:39

Pipo !!!

#125 sblick

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 17:09

Paul DiResta would be nice but only if we called him Franchitti :p .  I still say McLaren should bring an engine with them.  The technology is right up there alley.  @ years of IndyCar and then bring engine and two car team?  In one sense kind of sucks for Andretti since you are teaching them to be a top rated team.  Train their engineers and mechanics and then wave goodbye :wave:



#126 Risil

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 17:29

D. Resta is already an Indy 500 winner, so his namesake should fit.

#127 boomn

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 17:37

Paul DiResta would be nice but only if we called him Franchitti :p

He needs much better hair to pull that off

 

If McLaren wanted to go big I think they have the size and reputation to bring in a new engine partner.  But McLaren looks to be taking a measured approach to IndyCar and I don't see them taking that risk or that investment right now.  Probably smart to keep expectations smaller; they've been through enough damage with the inflated hype around their world-conquering F1 reunion with Honda


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#128 maximilian

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 17:42

I think McLaren will RUN away FAST when they hear "bring in a new engine partner" after what happened with Honda in F1!  :lol:

 

Some excellent suggestions about drivers here.  Derani definitely wants and needs a ride.  di Resta, I always wondered why he hasn't made the move yet, but maybe his DTM ride was too plum so far - but with it going away, yes... very suspicious candidate!   ;)  Parente is a little out of left field, but not a bad idea, either.


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#129 Anja

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 18:02

For 2019, one car partnering with an existing team is all I can see happening. And we know who would be the driver... But long-term the possibilities are endless. 



#130 maximilian

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 18:31

https://racer.com/20...-indycar-teams/

 

Colton Herta looks pretty good to be joining the field in 2019.  I venture to say, if Marco wasn't an Andretti, we'd more than likely see Colton in the #98 next season.  Don't see Andretti parting with any of their other drivers (Veach is on a 3-year contract, and the other two would surely be retained... unless Rossi is poached away by Penske or something like that).

 

Doesn't seem likely there would be a #99 second Herta-Andretti car, as much as I'd like that in addition to the McLaren-Andretti (if that's indeed the partnership) - I guess if McLaren chooses another partner, maybe Colton will come home after all.  

 

No chance Marco could  be out of a ride next year, is there?  :eek:



#131 Jim Thurman

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 20:16

I venture to say, if Marco wasn't an Andretti, we'd more than likely see Colton in the #98 next season.  Don't see Andretti parting with any of their other drivers (Veach is on a 3-year contract, and the other two would surely be retained... unless Rossi is poached away by Penske or something like that).

 

Doesn't seem likely there would be a #99 second Herta-Andretti car,

 

I take it you're not familiar with the reason behind the #98? I don't know that they'd simply slap a #99 on a "team" car. The 98 is there for a reason, not some random number choice.



#132 noriaki

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 21:02

https://racer.com/20...-indycar-teams/

No chance Marco could be out of a ride next year, is there? :eek:


Or maybe... Just maybe, *sneaks for cover* could it be Marco who would actually make the most suitable option to partner Fred? *ducks*






*unducks, but still wary of potentially flying objects*

I mean.

He has his *obvious* flaws - namely a lack of balls and pace. But if there is one thing he doesn't lack it's experience. He knows the series, the Andretti team and the DW12 inside out, is still a decent oval driver, has the name recognition for the American car sales and I doubt even Mikey would hold that tight onto him.

In essence, he could be McLaren's Kimball.

.. no?

#133 maximilian

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 21:12

I take it you're not familiar with the reason behind the #98? I don't know that they'd simply slap a #99 on a "team" car. The 98 is there for a reason, not some random number choice.

 

Well, what number would YOU suggest a team already running the 98 should use for their 2nd car?   :p  smartass



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Posted 11 June 2018 - 21:52

I take it you're not familiar with the reason behind the #98? I don't know that they'd simply slap a #99 on a "team" car. The 98 is there for a reason, not some random number choice.

Luckily we have helpful people like you to explain these things.

Also, Andretti/Green’s numbers have always been 26 and 27, and when they’ve added more cars in recent years they’ve gone for 25, 28 and 29. Picking a consecutive number isn’t exactly unreasonable.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 22:30

Luckily we have helpful people like you to explain these things.

Also, Andretti/Green’s numbers have always been 26 and 27, and when they’ve added more cars in recent years they’ve gone for 25, 28 and 29. Picking a consecutive number isn’t exactly unreasonable.

 

Yes, you do  :) Since Sato-san is #30 and Dreyer-Reinbold have #24, I'm not sure. I was simply pointing out there's a reason #98 is up there, by itself, all alone   ;)

 

Aside from Foyt's traditional #14, the #98 is the only other number I can think of in the series at the moment that has any historical significance.

 

#98 came from the Curb-Agajanian connection to the Herta team. Long-time car owner J.C. Agajanian used #98 back to the late 1940s/early 1950s. It was the traditional number of his cars. I know there were times when Agajanian had a second car that was numbered #97, so...maybe #97?  :)  (FWIW, Curb-Agajanian did use #99 for second Indy entries in the 2000s, so it could be that as well).

 

Or maybe they'll simply pick something utterly at random, with no thought to history or sequencing  :)



#136 Rob G

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 00:45

Marco's been upside down a few times, so give him #86.



#137 maximilian

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 01:42

Or maybe... Just maybe, *sneaks for cover* could it be Marco who would actually make the most suitable option to partner Fred? *ducks*






*unducks, but still wary of potentially flying objects*

I mean.

He has his *obvious* flaws - namely a lack of balls and pace. But if there is one thing he doesn't lack it's experience. He knows the series, the Andretti team and the DW12 inside out, is still a decent oval driver, has the name recognition for the American car sales and I doubt even Mikey would hold that tight onto him.

In essence, he could be McLaren's Kimball.

.. no?

 

 

Andretti at McLaren does have a storied history, dunnit?  :lol:   But yeah, McLaren could do worse, particularly in their first season/s and might actually be a convenient way for Andretti Autosports to rid themselves of him  :D



#138 teejay

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:52

How much would Andretti need to pay McLaren to take him?



#139 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:25

They will have their own team, that's why they hired Gil. He'll also be the manager, so it's his choice on the driver to partner Alonso. With Gil's connects, I also believe it will be a Honda team. Scary thought, McClaren/Honda, Round 2  :eek:



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 06:15

Rossi's father is one the rumoured candidates to buy the Force India team, and partnering with Michael to help run it. I assume Alex would drive for them, so don't lock him in to the Andretti seat too hard.

 

I think you're sleeping on the Latifi suggestion as well. He did pretty well in F2 last year (less so this year), and I have to think there is a reason for his father's investment.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:04

Yes, you do :) Since Sato-san is #30 and Dreyer-Reinbold have #24, I'm not sure. I was simply pointing out there's a reason #98 is up there, by itself, all alone  ;)

Aside from Foyt's traditional #14, the #98 is the only other number I can think of in the series at the moment that has any historical significance.

#98 came from the Curb-Agajanian connection to the Herta team. Long-time car owner J.C. Agajanian used #98 back to the late 1940s/early 1950s. It was the traditional number of his cars. I know there were times when Agajanian had a second car that was numbered #97, so...maybe #97? :) (FWIW, Curb-Agajanian did use #99 for second Indy entries in the 2000s, so it could be that as well).

Or maybe they'll simply pick something utterly at random, with no thought to history or sequencing :)


What numbers did McLaren run during their 1970s visits to Indy? Could be an option.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 13:04

Rossi's father is one the rumoured candidates to buy the Force India team, and partnering with Michael to help run it. I assume Alex would drive for them, so don't lock him in to the Andretti seat too hard.

 

I think you're sleeping on the Latifi suggestion as well. He did pretty well in F2 last year (less so this year), and I have to think there is a reason for his father's investment.

 

where do you have this from?

Never heard of that, but would be great.



#143 HistoryFan

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 13:06

I also didn't know that he is that rich...

where did they have the money from?



#144 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 13:33

where do you have this from?

Never heard of that, but would be great.

The Norwegian commentators couldn't stop talking about it during the Canadian GP. Have no idea where they have it from.



#145 HistoryFan

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 14:34

I was searching through the internet, but found nothing.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 14:46

https://racer.com/20...-indycar-teams/

 

Colton Herta looks pretty good to be joining the field in 2019.  I venture to say, if Marco wasn't an Andretti, we'd more than likely see Colton in the #98 next season.  Don't see Andretti parting with any of their other drivers (Veach is on a 3-year contract, and the other two would surely be retained... unless Rossi is poached away by Penske or something like that).

 

Doesn't seem likely there would be a #99 second Herta-Andretti car, as much as I'd like that in addition to the McLaren-Andretti (if that's indeed the partnership) - I guess if McLaren chooses another partner, maybe Colton will come home after all.  

 

No chance Marco could  be out of a ride next year, is there?  :eek:

 

 

I take it you're not familiar with the reason behind the #98? I don't know that they'd simply slap a #99 on a "team" car. The 98 is there for a reason, not some random number choice.

 

 

Well, what number would YOU suggest a team already running the 98 should use for their 2nd car?   :p  smartass

 

 

Luckily we have helpful people like you to explain these things.

Also, Andretti/Green’s numbers have always been 26 and 27, and when they’ve added more cars in recent years they’ve gone for 25, 28 and 29. Picking a consecutive number isn’t exactly unreasonable.

 

 

Yes, you do  :) Since Sato-san is #30 and Dreyer-Reinbold have #24, I'm not sure. I was simply pointing out there's a reason #98 is up there, by itself, all alone   ;)

 

Aside from Foyt's traditional #14, the #98 is the only other number I can think of in the series at the moment that has any historical significance.

 

#98 came from the Curb-Agajanian connection to the Herta team. Long-time car owner J.C. Agajanian used #98 back to the late 1940s/early 1950s. It was the traditional number of his cars. I know there were times when Agajanian had a second car that was numbered #97, so...maybe #97?  :)  (FWIW, Curb-Agajanian did use #99 for second Indy entries in the 2000s, so it could be that as well).

 

Or maybe they'll simply pick something utterly at random, with no thought to history or sequencing  :)

 

 

I find it disappointing that they don't respect the fact that #99 was retired by CART. At least after the merger.


Edited by Dolph, 12 June 2018 - 14:46.


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 15:06

I find it disappointing that they don't respect the fact that #99 was retired by CART. At least after the merger.


I don’t agree with retiring numbers, especially if you’re going to be selective about it. CART didn’t retire 3 or 25, so 99 should stay in use as well.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 17:44

We never got to see if Moore had continued with #99 when he was set to go to Penske in 2000. It seemed more personal for him than many other numbers in the field. Forsythe had used only #33 in the previous season before him joining (Teo Fabi as a driver). During his tenure the team expanded to two cars and #33 was given to team-mate Carpentier.



#149 jonpollak

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 18:42

The 99 won't be used PAYR.

#150 sopa

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 19:13

If the big rumours come true and Alonso joins IndyCar, then of course the big question is - does IndyCar calendar clash with WEC? Because Alonso still has to finish his 2018-2019 WEC superseason next year.  :p