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[Camber1972]

A lot of people are complaining about Max and that he should be fired.

 

In 2015, 2016 and 2017 he was one of the best on track, but this year there has not been a single race without an incident.

How do you come from the 3rd or 4th best driver to almost the worst one? I dont get it.

What is changed in 2018?

 

Does anybody have an idea?

 

 

[Ben1445]

It's not that he's become the worst - he's still damn fast. It's that he hasn't matured in his attitude as fast as some people thought he might. 

 

 

I don't know what else people expected to be honest. 

Edited by Ben1445, 27 May 2018 - 12:35.

[GoldenColt]

Women!

 

[Kershy]

He crashes a lot, only thing that saves him is that he is blisteringly quick.

[ConsiderAndGo]

No man management.

No one to give him an absolute bollocking.

No one to put an arm around him.

[Nonesuch]

What is changed in 2018?

 

He's crashed into people in four of the five races, spun on his own in the other - and wrecked his car before qualifying in the current one. That tends to get people's attention.

 

As for what has changed with him; who knows. It could just be an unfortunate series of events. But his team isn't known for being a calming influence, so there's that to consider as well. How many people around him are setting him straight? Not a whole lot, by the looks of it.

Edited by Nonesuch, 27 May 2018 - 12:36.

[TomNokoe]

Snowball effect.

[kosmos]

F1 puberty, it will pass.

[jwill189]

A lot of people are complaining about Max and that he should be fired.

 

In 2015, 2016 and 2017 he was one of the best on track, but this year there has not been a single race without an incident.

How do you come from the 3rd or 4th best driver to almost the worst one? I dont get it.

What is changed in 2018?

 

Does anybody have an idea?

 

Some of it is coincidental (like Spain with the Williams), but the number of unforced errors is disconcerting.  Verstappen's long-term contract and speed is the only thing protecting him at the moment.

[Camber1972]

He's crashed into people in four of the five races, spun on his own in the other - and wrecked his car before qualifying in the current one. That tends to get people's attention.

 

As for what has changed with him; who knows. It could just be an unfortunate series of events. But his team isn't known for being a calming influence, so there's that to consider as well. How many people around him are setting him straight? Not a whole lot, by the looks of it.

Yes Right    But i am serious, something must have happend you can't go from that good to this bad in such a short time.

[Vielleicht]

Red Bull either can't or won't temper his reckless and entitled spirit.

 

Most could forgive his driving when he was 17-19 odd but when he doesn't seem to be learning and if anything getting worse, he's running out of excuses.

 

I'm sure he will mature eventually. But I still stand by my belief that these are mistakes he should have been allowed to make in F2 and learn from, rather than in the limelight and expectation of Formula One.

Edited by Vielleicht, 27 May 2018 - 12:44.

[ensign14]

He's faster than his car and is frustrated.  It's easier to calm a fast driver down than speed a slow driver up. 

[Camber1972]

Red Bull either can't or won't temper his reckless and entitled spirit.

 

Most could forgive his driving when he was 17-19 odd but when he doesn't seem to be learning and if anything getting worse, he's running out of excuses.

 

I'm sure he will mature eventually. But I still stand by my belief that these are mistakes he should have been allowed to make in F2 and learn from, rather than in the limelight and expectation of Formula One.

But why all those incidents in this year? He hardly made mistakes in the past years.

[Nonesuch]

Yes Right    But i am serious, something must have happend you can't go from that good to this bad in such a short time.

 

Drivers in the faster cars get a bit too much attention, and there's a lot of over-analysing that comes with that. But there's clearly something going on. Spinning in Australia, crashing in Bahrain, colliding with Hamilton in Bahrain, crashing into Vettel in PR China, colliding with Ricciardo in Baku, bumping into Stroll in Spain, crashing in Monaco. That's pretty terrible, even if some of these were close calls that could just have easily resulted in nothing much happening.

 

I don't think anyone can tell what's going on. There doesn't seem to be any good reason for Verstappen to be overly stressed. It doesn't look like Red Bull is championship-winning material at this point, and he has a long contract at the team.

 

I hope there's someone that can set him straight, because he clearly has the speed to do well. But if not - he wouldn't be the first fast driver to fail to make the most of his abilities; whether by recklessness or simple stupidity.

[PlatenGlass]

A run of poor results and incidents - it will pass. He's still got the same ability. Hamilton in 2011 and Vettel last year hardly covered themselves in glory. Maybe not by quite as much but they were experienced champions by that point.

[PlayboyRacer]

He'll bounce back. The kid is way too talented not to.

Would help if everyone stops kissing his ass though. Needs some tough love and not to be in such a hurry to dominate every minute of every weekend.

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 27 May 2018 - 12:49.

[Lights]

Most drivers go through a phase like this. His is just the current one.

[DeVol]

I think he's just overdriving.

There is quite a bit of pressure on him....Ricciardo is driving well, bigger things are expected of him, and he must be keen to win this year's WDC battle against Ricciardo or it'll be 0-3.

[Jazza]

Few possible reasons...

First, the car was slower most of the time than both Mercedes and Ferrari, but much faster than anything else. There was less to hit in the limbo position on track.

Second, the car is more reliable now so he has more chances to crash it.

Third, he is just in one of those career moments. Every driver has them. (The most likely option)

[barni]

Nothing happened and that`s the problem.

He made just the same mistake yesterday as in 2016.

That means he does not draw conclusions from his own mistakes.

I admire his talent, but let`s be honest he`s achieved his status too early, being too young and immature.

[peggle]

Trying to live up to the hype and a severe lack of maturity, in any other line of work he would have been out and on his way but Redbull being Redbull he will be as safe as it gets from censure

[HillHamiltonButton]

under pressure from Ricciardo potentially going and him becoming the de facto team leader at Red Bull maybe?

[UltimateLegacy]

under pressure from Ricciardo potentially going and him becoming the de facto team leader at Red Bull maybe?

If thats the case then its understandable. Being 20 and potentially having the whole weight of a team like Redbull on your shoulder can be pretty daunting.  

[Lights]

*crickets*

[goldenboy]

Just a case of the shanks!

[Claudius]

"A lot of people are complaining about Max".... Sounds like a Trump quote.

 

 

He is one of my favourite drivers but this year he's been wild. Needs to calm down and start performing cause F1 is a harsh environment.

[Seanspeed]

Trying to live up to the hype and a severe lack of maturity, in any other line of work he would have been out and on his way but Redbull being Redbull he will be as safe as it gets from censure

This has nothing to do with Red Bull.  There isn't a team on the grid that would get rid of Max, even with his aggressiveness.  That kind of raw talent just doesn't come along that often.  

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Too much pressure?

Over rated?

Is out his depth being paired with Danni? Is it a case of the problem Hamilton and Rosberg had?

[Cliff]

Nothing's changed. Just a mix of a few mistakes and unlucky situations at the beginning of this season. He's faster than his teammate. He just needs a few clean races like today and all will be forgotten. It's also about bandwagon journalism and public opinion. At the end of last season everybody was talking him up to pretty much be the future GOAT, and now all of a sudden he's the next Maldonado. It's just how media, internet and dumb memes work in this day and age. He'll be absolutely fine.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

This has nothing to do with Red Bull. There isn't a team on the grid that would get rid of Max, even with his aggressiveness. That kind of raw talent just doesn't come along that often.

Depends - his results are starting to hurt the team, there is only so long that raw talent will keep you and Red Bull isn’t a team to wait too long before dropping the axe!

Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 27 May 2018 - 16:05.

[NateF]

Nothing he can’t overcome.

[UltimateLegacy]

I think he did great today.

[Seanspeed]

Depends - his results are starting to hurt the team, there is only so long that raw talent will keep you and Red Bull isn’t a team to wait too long before dropping the axe!

Verstappen has proven he can bring in results as well.  Last year, he was very good most of the season, just had horrendous bad luck more than anything. 

 

He's had a rough start to the season no doubt, but it's definitely something that can be overcome.  Red Bull aren't looking for decent drivers either, they want superstars.  

Edited by Seanspeed, 27 May 2018 - 16:09.

[A3]

He did as good as can be expected today. The Sainz pass was on/over the limit, but I guess Renault didn't complain.

[Fatgadget]

What has happened  to Max Versterppen?...Impetuosity of yoof that's what  'Appening.

[Fatgadget]

He's faster than his car and is frustrated.  It's easier to calm a fast driver down than speed a slow driver up. 

He he!! Not always mate.....Usualy it would too late. Out of idle curiosity, care throw some examples?

[cpbell]

Many go through this sort of thing.  Scheckter in 1973 was thought of roughly as Maldonado was a few years ago and Grosjean is now, and, by '79, when he won the Championship, he was ultra-reliable. 

[ArrowsLivery]

He's crashed into people in four of the five races, spun on his own in the other - and wrecked his car before qualifying in the current one. That tends to get people's attention.

As for what has changed with him; who knows. It could just be an unfortunate series of events. But his team isn't known for being a calming influence, so there's that to consider as well. How many people around him are setting him straight? Not a whole lot, by the looks of it.

That is a big exaggeration. He was crashed into in Baku, and nobody knows what the heck the Williams was doing in Spain. The Bahrain incident was very tight and unfortunate. The only egregious mistake was in China.

[Fatgadget]

Many go through this sort of thing.  Scheckter in 1973 was thought of roughly as Maldonado was a few years ago and Grosjean is now, and, by '79, when he won the Championship, he was ultra-reliable. 

And you know Max will morph into a morden day Scheckter..How?

[goldenboy]

That is a big exaggeration. He was crashed into in Baku, and nobody knows what the heck the Williams was doing in Spain. The Bahrain incident was very tight and unfortunate. The only egregious mistake was in China.

Uhh.. no.

[Alfisti]

Fired??

Jesus H. He is a proper talent, if you can't see it go watch another sport.

In saying that he has lacked patience and seems to be pushing very hard. Daniel seems to be closer if not matching his pace this yeah but with Daniels usuals margin of safety.

He has to back off a tad, just a smidgen, the issue there is that Daniel will be right there on pace so it's very tricky.

But both drivers are outstanding, max makes more errors and Daniel has the odd weekend where he cannot get the tyres to work but they are excellent.

It has to be said, if max had kept his head both here and in Baku, rbr would be right there in the wcc and Daniel a real wdc threat.

[PayasYouRace]

I think he's trying to rely too much on his speed and not really applying himself very well this season. He might be in his 4th season but he still has a lot to learn. As the pressure to perform increases, the mistakes will too unless he mentally takes a step back and considers why his season has been a disaster so far.

[Fatgadget]

What I do know is Max sitting pretty. No doubt he is fast. And the vultures out there in the Piranha club know that too. AND Red Bull invested a lot in that kid..no way they just gonna sack him!....

[FirstnameLastname]

He’s quick, but has bought into his own hype. Unfortunately his ‘circle’ are all a bunch of party-loving hanger-ons and nobody has the bottle to help keep him in check.

[FirstnameLastname]

Was it not at this point of the season that Kvyat was removed for the team for a similar start to the year?

[Mzovk]

He is so fast and talented. But still immature. Be patient, with that kind of talent he is going to be a WC in couple of years.

[AlexPrime]

I think that today was a good day for him and he needs to keep doing what he did today. Be smart, collect points and when strike when you can. As for what happened, he expected to fight for the WDC and when the car was not as fast as expected, he got wangsty. Ironically, I can see RIC fighting for the WDC this year.

[PayasYouRace]

Was it not at this point of the season that Kvyat was removed for the team for a similar start to the year?

 

Kvyat was sacked demoted two races earlier, and had a better finishing record.

[Nonesuch]

That is a big exaggeration.

 

All of that happened.

 

I noted that it wouldn't have taken much for things to have played out differently, but for some reason Verstappen has been unable to avoid the incidents.

[jjcale]

Women!

 

 

 

He's faster than his car and is frustrated.  It's easier to calm a fast driver down than speed a slow driver up. 

 

 

He'll bounce back. The kid is way too talented not to.

Would help if everyone stops kissing his ass though. Needs some tough love and not to be in such a hurry to dominate every minute of every weekend.

 

 

Most drivers go through a phase like this. His is just the current one.

 

 

I think he's just overdriving.

There is quite a bit of pressure on him....Ricciardo is driving well, bigger things are expected of him, and he must be keen to win this year's WDC battle against Ricciardo or it'll be 0-3.

 

Agree with all the above ... he is just 20 and already has an 8 figure contract and was all but made team leader .... that's a lot of pressure. That said, he is handling it really badly out on the track .... but its probably just a phase ... the biggest factor in all this is that he is just 20 ... and that will pass.