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#1 Risil

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 22:52

Vereyezon Indycar Series Round 10 of 17: Road America, The American Road Course
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Corners ahoy! The Robert Wickens Indignity Machine – formerly known as the Indycar Series, formerly formerly known as the Pep Boys Indy Racing League Series – proceeds along its course to the annual Great Lakean racepicnic at Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin (geography fans: Elkhart is not one of the Great Lakes). Slipstreaming, braking, passing, blocking and gratuitously halting Robert Wickens’ attempts to win an Indycar race are all on the menu. Bears, Handford devices, chicanes, Canada and the chance of getting through the weekend without smugness about how lucky we are to be Indycar fans, are not.
 
Why Road America? Why care? Why life?
Road America is America’s, and maybe the world’s, best remaining going-left-and-right race track. Long straights through dense woodland, corners called things like Kink and Carousel, big-ass climbs up hills and bridges sponsored by a brand of sausage that’s amusingly called Johnsonville. The Indycar Series is one half-season through its experiment in removing downforce and prettifying its lines and, especially on road courses, it’s going pretty well. Ten or so drivers insert themselves with regularity into the dialectic about victory. Improbably, there are four America drivers in the top six of the points standings (and a Canadian in seventh). Many more are fast but have not slain the dragon Inconsistency. The season, in other words, is brewing up nicely.
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Anything to watch out for this weekend? The revolving door of Juncos revolveth once again and welcomes the Mexican, sometime Pro Mazda driver and sometime F1 tester Alfonso Celis, Jr. Better than Binder? Kooler than Kaiser? It’s unclear, although he’s apparently being mentored by three-time top ten finisher in Champ Car, David Martinez. Funny, they’re not making Champ Car races anymore but every time you look there’s another racing driver who you forgot ever took part. Oh, and it’s the bright-eyed and strangely-beshoed Zachary Castellet de Mistral back in the second Coyne car for another go-around, hopefully this time minus the race-ending collision with Team Penske’s best and brightest.
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Schedule plz
It’s a busy weekend containing Indy Lights, Pro Mazda, the automotive shaggy dog story that is Pirelli World Challenge and USF2000 alongside the Indycars. No NASCAR Trucks, Stadium Super Trucks, Butch Trucks or indeed any other kind of trucks: the best we’re getting in the gigantism stakes are the Bentleys in PWC. Anyway, times and events below. Local timezone, which is to say 6 hours behind whatever time it is in the UK.
 
Friday, 22 June
9.15-10am: Indy Lights practice
11-11.45: Indycar practice 1
2.20pm: Pro Mazda race 1
3.15-4.15: Indycar practice 2
4.55-5.25: Indy Lights qualifying 1
 
Saturday, 23 June
8-8.30am: Indy Lights qualifying 2
11-11.45: Indycar practice 3
12 noon: Indy Lights race 1
1.10pm: USF2000 race 1
2.05: Pro Mazda race 2
3-4.15: Indycar qualifying
4.35: Pirelli World Challenge race 1
 
Sunday, 24 June
8am: USF2000 race 2
9.50: Indy Lights race 2
12.05pm: Indycar race GO
2.45: Pirelli World Challenge race 2
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What’s happened? Lately?
Cast your minds back to before the Le Mans 24 Hours: Two weeks ago the Indycar posse showed up in the implausibly-named No Limits, Texas for 248 laps for some oval racing at some ungodly time in the early evening. AJ Foyt supplied the first two retirements, with Matheus (or “Matt”, as Indycar’s entry list invariably calls him) Leist’s car almost immediately catching fire and teammate Tony Kanaan hitting the wall in mysterious but very much concrete circumstances. Team Penske continued its slide down the snake as Will Power crashed, and Josef Newgarden endured one of those evenings that can be best compared to that dream where you suddenly realize everyone’s noticed you’re not wearing any clothes, only instead of public nudity it was public having a poor-handling car and finishing four laps down. Simon Pagenaud unhelpfully finished second. Top ladders men were Scott Dixon and Alex Rossi, the former leading from the front to win the race and take all the points, and the latter coming through the field to finish third and somewhat erase his disastrous experience in Detroit.
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At this arbitrary and not very important point in the season, it’s Scott Dixon leading the championship with his car that looks disconcertingly like the car that Charlie Kimball used as a battering ram during his long and eventful association with Chip Ganassi. Within range of a disgusting Sonoma double-points victory are only four other drivers, remarkably enough:
 
1. Scott Dixon, Ganassi (357 points)
2. Alex Rossi, Andretti (-23)
3. Will Power, Penske (-36)
4. Ryan Hunter-Reay, Andretti (-49)
5. Josef Newgarden, Penske (-68)
 
Representatives of non-big-three teams are sixth, seventh, ninth and eleventh, but they’re going to have to get within 100 points of Scott Dixon before I acknowledge their relevance to the North California Double Points Tragedy We Can All See Coming But Cannot Avoid.
 
Obligatory Indycar Tarot reading
Fanciers of the occult, the collective unconscious or indeed the 1970s may be interested to know that I’ve procured a Tarot reading for this weekend’s Indycar race from an online service called Glastonburytarot.com, who are 1) potentially descended from Merlin, King Arthur and/or Morgana le Fay, 2) free and 3) only offering their services to over-18s. With those auspicious qualities in mind, herewith the reading:
 
7 of Swords

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“The Seven of Swords is a card of deception and betrayal. It indicates the difficulty of trying to get away with something undetected and unnoticed.”
 
King of Wands

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“The King of Wands holds a blossoming wand in his hand, representing life and creativity.”
 
7 of Pentacles

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“The Seven of Pentacles portrays a young man taking a rest from the difficult work of harvesting his abundant crop. He has been labouring long and hard in his garden.”
 
Two sevens! I think that means Tony Kanaan, driver of car number 14, will do well. Or is that what the devil wants us to think? There is only one way of finding out and that is by validating our choice not to watch Poland vs Colombia on Sunday evening and watching the race with us instead. In the meantime, write posts about practice, qualifying and the King of Staffs below.

 

Edit: full race broadcast here

 



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#2 LeClerc

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 23:06

The Occult is upon us!



#3 Frood

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 00:13

Don't forget the heat on your Johnsonville.

 

On second thoughts, maybe not.



#4 prommer

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 00:21

God, I just had this horrible thought that Alonso will probably have to do a Butterball commercial next year.

 

Thanks Risil!  Will we be casting the runes for Iowa?



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 03:24

Disagree with the OP.

 

it’s Scott Dixon leading the championship with his car that looks disconcertingly like the car that Charlie Kimball used as a battering ram during his long and eventful association with Chip Ganassi.

ScottyD looks like a PacWest with bad color balance.

Jp



#6 rghojai

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 06:28

Indycats are ready for duty.



#7 teejay

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 08:39

One of the worlds great tracks. 



#8 Risil

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:01

God, I just had this horrible thought that Alonso will probably have to do a Butterball commercial next year.
 
Thanks Risil!  Will we be casting the runes for Iowa?

 

I'm up for some rune-casting. Or we could throw I Ching.



#9 AlexLangheck

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:10

Indycars on the finest circuit in North America - what's not to like? Plus Pirelli World Challenge......



#10 Risil

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:55

Who's good in PWC these days? I remember reading that Cadillac had pulled out their big black monsters.

Are the Lambos still there? And the McLarens?

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:17

And Ferraris. And Bentleys.

 

But the Caddies are gone.


Edited by FLB, 21 June 2018 - 10:17.


#12 babbel

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:51

Everytime I hear Road America Elkhart Lake I think of this monster crash

 



#13 Risil

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:00

There aren't small accidents at the Kink. 
 
Any recommendations for old Road America races on Youtube for people with nostalgic minds and a couple of hours to kill? 1994 and 1996 spring to mind. 2001 is a good example of the mix of strange decisions and sheer bad luck that epitomized that snakebit year. I'm accepting nominations from IMSA, Super Vee, AMA Superbike, whatever you've got.


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:04

And Ferraris. And Bentleys.

 

But the Caddies are gone.

 

Hopefully, the Callaway Corvette will make it. They were having engine block supply issues!



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:05

Comfy AF feelgood OP there Risil. Earth Snakes unite! <3

Yaasss to the Obligatory Indycar Tarot. 7 is definetely Road America's number. The place has a sacred fuzzy vibe to it. We in for a good race y'all.

My question is who's the sneaky 7 of Swords? Who's the most Stealth driver this season? That card could also be a caution to not be sneaky this race.

Which driver will become the King of Wands? The 7 of Swords or the 7 of Pentacles?

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:11

Which driver will become the King of Wands? The 7 of Swords or the 7 of Pentacles?

 

Lots of yellow: the hitherto undetected 7 of Swords erupts into view and steals the race. Could be anyone, but that is really the point.

 

Little yellow: the 7 of Pentacles will take control owing to consistent laptimes and superior setup work over the weekend. Probably Wickens or Dixon. (Wicks and Dix?)

 

Sounds... plausible.



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:22

Pagenaud, Ov. He hasn't been very visible results-wise so far this season  ('cause paint-scheme wise... :rotfl: ), but I sense he's coming.


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:57

Dixon and Pagenaud will def be 2 ov my picks.

Exactly what I was thinking fellas.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 13:03

 

There aren't small accidents at the Kink. 
 
Any recommendations for old Road America races on Youtube for people with nostalgic minds and a couple of hours to kill? 1994 and 1996 spring to mind. 2001 is a good example of the mix of strange decisions and sheer bad luck that epitomized that snakebit year. I'm accepting nominations from IMSA, Super Vee, AMA Superbike, whatever you've got.

 

If we're talking best IMSA races at RA, the 2011 and 2012 races are up there for finishes with the Muscle Milk & Dyson boys challenging for the win in both of them.
 



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 13:25

Oooh this track is the shizz.....love this place. 

 

Bring it on.



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 15:56

I think we'll see here whether Pagenaud's season will take off or if Texas was just a false dawn. He's been unlucky this year, but he had some bad luck last year too - and still wasn't far off the title by the end.



#22 racinggeek

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 16:13

 ... bridges sponsored by a brand of sausage  ...

 

Not just sausage -- there is a Sargento Bridge sponsored by the nearby cheese company, over the back straight betwixt Turns 3 and 5. We are Wisconsin, you know.



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 18:52

After leaving chicago in a monsoon in a hire car which you need to either be 10 years old or have a degree in computer engineering to understand, I have made it to Wisconcin...Road America tomorrow...

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 19:09

I'm looking forward to this great track so much that yesterday I checked out the cost of flights from the UK, while thinking of an impulsive quick trip over. 

 

Reality hit this morning at the cost of it all to watch one race - maybe another year.



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 20:45

Not just sausage -- there is a Sargento Bridge sponsored by the nearby cheese company, over the back straight betwixt Turns 3 and 5. We are Wisconsin, you know.

Are Johnsonville brats respected enough in WI to be a proper partner with fried curds and some Spotted Cow?  Man, I need to visit WI again!


Edited by boomn, 21 June 2018 - 20:45.


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 21:02

I'm looking forward to this great track so much that yesterday I checked out the cost of flights from the UK, while thinking of an impulsive quick trip over.

Reality hit this morning at the cost of it all to watch one race - maybe another year.


Yes I know what you mean...ive made the trip from the UK...for various reasons I decided to make the trip this year.

the actual flights aren't too bad, the hotels are the expensive bit

#27 Risil

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 21:30

Any photos you can take of Road America and its environs would be greatly appreciated by we travellers-by-mind-and-armchair. In short: post pics, please. :)



#28 jonpollak

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 21:38

I second that emotion.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 22:36

Everytime I hear Road America Elkhart Lake I think of this monster crash

https://www.youtube....h?v=ZCI-QSt0hpE


I remember watching the race live and phoning my mate fearing the worse. It was sickening to see and stunning that she got out OK.

Was it really 12 years ago? Wow. I was still clinging on as a CART fan and ignoring the IRL apart from Indy.

Talking of Katherine Legge, why aren't there any female drivers in the series anymore, apart from at Indy? De Silvestro was hardly outshone by Kanaan when they were both at KV and she's a million times better than half of the chumps who playing Dale Coyne's Pass The Parcel for the second seat. Are there any female drivers on the horizon?

As for this weekend, how great it is to be back at one of the best tracks in the world. Wickens to break his duck.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 23:31

Any photos you can take of Road America and its environs would be greatly appreciated by we travellers-by-mind-and-armchair. In short: post pics, please. :)

Annnnd Risil has another great idea.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 23:32

Just driven back from the track and briefly met Josef Newgarden as well.

A good start to the weekend. Weather looks good too

Will try and put up some pictures.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:51

As I'm in Canadia this week it's a no brainer eh that I pick the Wiki.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:20

I remember watching the race live and phoning my mate fearing the worse. It was sickening to see and stunning that she got out OK.

Was it really 12 years ago? Wow. I was still clinging on as a CART fan and ignoring the IRL apart from Indy.

Talking of Katherine Legge, why aren't there any female drivers in the series anymore, apart from at Indy? De Silvestro was hardly outshone by Kanaan when they were both at KV and she's a million times better than half of the chumps who playing Dale Coyne's Pass The Parcel for the second seat. Are there any female drivers on the horizon?

As for this weekend, how great it is to be back at one of the best tracks in the world. Wickens to break his duck.

 

I do miss Simona. Sadly, she made a poor career move and decided a role as a Sauber test driver was worth more than another year in Indycar. And then when she showed up, she discovered that between 3 and 20 people were promised spots as Sauber test drivers that year.  Plus I seem to recall she had a manager who the rest of the paddock found difficult to deal with, and she eventually had to fire him or sue him or something.

 

I do remember the moment at -- was it Homestead? -- and -- was it 2010? -- well I don't remember much, but I do remember Bob Jenkins pointing out a camera shot of 5 cars battling on track, and after a brief second you realized... holy crap, it was all women in those cars: Danica Patrick, Sarah Fisher, Ana Beatriz, Simona De Silvestro and Milka Duno.  I miss those days except not really Milka so much.

 

There was a woman in the feeder series, Ayla Agren, but she never really made it higher than USF2000. I'm not aware of any women currently in the MRTI, and Prost1997 is no longer around to tell me if that's true or not.



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 04:25

God, I just had this horrible thought that Alonso will probably have to do a Butterball commercial next year.


Butterball could make a killing by launching a line of fine jamón ibérico.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 04:41

Any recommendations for old Road America races on Youtube for people with nostalgic minds and a couple of hours to kill? 1994...


I remember watching that one live. The broadcast crew emphasized how the Green car, which was actually blue, secured pole by trimming wing to maximize top speed. ”Will the rookie hold on to it till the end? Or will it end in tears? The table was set for a tense afternoon.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 11:38

 

Any recommendations for old Road America races on Youtube for people with nostalgic minds and a couple of hours to kill? 

 

IndyCar just put up the 1988 race on their official YT:

 



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 12:08

Here's one for E1Pix:

 

https://www.indycar....America-preview



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 12:23

Plus I seem to recall she had a manager who the rest of the paddock found difficult to deal with, and she eventually had to fire him or sue him or something.

 

I'm not sure about him being difficult, however, I believe he was supporting her enough to keep her in Indycar. Without him, I don't think she would have even seen Indycar and we've seen how easy it was to get sponsors back when she jumped to the Sauber test "role". I believe also being beaten soundly by her team made in Formula E didn't help increase her open-wheel stock.



#39 Alfisti

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 13:30

Is this the greatest race track in the world?

 

Seriously.

 

After a 20 year hiatus i am back playing racing games, namely project Cars, PC2 and Gran Turismo Sport. Always loved Elkart Lake from the Papyrus Indycar Racing II PC game, having driven it again on the Project Cars franchise ... i tis immense.

 

It is simple, with genuine passing zones, not too long, slow, medium and fast corners and not one wasted or pointless, each has a purpose and a natural transition to the next corner or straight. So many tracks havre an area of needless "pink Floydism" .. i.e. endless noodling for no good reason. 

 

It is brilliant, right up there with Bathurst. 



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 14:51

I'm not sure about him being difficult, however, I believe he was supporting her enough to keep her in Indycar. Without him, I don't think she would have even seen Indycar and we've seen how easy it was to get sponsors back when she jumped to the Sauber test "role". I believe also being beaten soundly by her team made in Formula E didn't help increase her open-wheel stock.


But she competed very well with Kanaan and he still has a job.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 15:05

Another reason to watch this weekends Indycar race, and no other.

 

Edit; I mean no other race this weekend, not no other Indycar race   :lol:

 

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Edited by DS27, 22 June 2018 - 15:57.


#42 Risil

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 15:12

Friday stream:

 



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 15:54

Another reason to watch this weekends Indycar race, and no other.

 

DgTXq4eXkAAkTD6.jpg

 

 

You could race quarter midgets around the middle bit!



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 16:06

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The Crazy Diamond shines on.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 18:59


This race started 35 minutes ago. :well:

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 19:09

And the first Pro Mazda race should start in about ten minutes on the Friday stream.

#47 Risil

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 20:24

Celis finds the wall in second practice. Situation normal.



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 20:29

Celis finds the wall in second practice. Situation normal.


Do you think he's even worse than Binder?

#49 prommer

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 20:36

or DRACONE?  :lol:



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 20:39

or DRACONE? :lol:


Impossible!