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[jonpollak]

Really hate the hour later start times this year.

I love the new start time.

So there.

Jp

[f1paul]

Regarding the new start times...

 

American side of the world should be very happy.

Asian side should be very unhappy.

Europe and UK shouldn't complain.

[l2k2]

Albert Fabrega tweeted the following graph describing simulated fastest tyre strategies. According to this the US - S one stopper is the fastest.

Not sure of the source.

I find it hard to believe... The graph, that is...

There seem to be at least three flaws in the US–US–SS trace? The second stint seems very short, shorter than the first, so way too short. It should be the other way around... And, despite this, the old softs are supposedly faster than those new ultrasoft boots at that point... Then, why is it not an US–US–S trace? The last stint for SS is supposedly slower than the longer stint for softs... SS in general is always slower than S, which does not fit in with what we saw the silver team doing yesterday... And, why on earth the first stint in the two stopper is equally slow to the one stopper with US–S. Same boots for less laps, and they should be able to push more...

It's most likely by some fan, or journalist, who did not have actual tyre data available. Garbage in, garbage out.

Though, this does not excuse the missing options from the strategy list... Hope it's not by any forum member who would get upset about my bashing. It's not personal... ;-)

[ANF]

Guys and girls, just to warn everyone, GP3 both races have had an audible beep for each light coming on.........unfortunately couldn't tell if they'd do the same for F2 due to the rolling starts, but they've just done the same for the Porsche Supercup race......why the flying monkeys doodahs would they do that?!!!! My guess is expect the same for the F1 race this afternoon.

Here it is in GP3 race 2. Is the sound coming from the circuit or is it a sound effect in the broadcast?

Spoiler

[trickle]

Watching the Ferrari guys panic has been mind blowing , guys - you still have the better engine and slow corner speeds ,  there are 2-3 circuits that Mercedes will have a better overall package Silverstone is one , SPA and Suzuka but the rest are suited better for Ferrari.

Whats your opinion based on, that Ferrari still have the better engine? And there are a lot more track to come, that will sweet a theoretical advantage in high speed sections - but since Merc has an package, that is fast and at least equal with Ferrari on most track (so far this season only in Montreal Merc were visible off speed, on all other tracks they were able to keep up or dominate like in Australia, Spain, France and now like Austria). So its quite different in reality as you mentioned here.

[apoka]

Really hate the hour later start times this year.

Same here. I can only watch the first half an hour or so.

[djparky]

Same here. I can only watch the first half an hour or so.

You only really need to watch the first 5 laps, nothing much tends to happen after that

[Mat13]

Don't tell me it doesn't start till two? I've planned my youngest's nap around it starting at one!

Edit: Bollocks!

Edited by Mat13, 01 July 2018 - 11:30.

[pRy]

Is this new?

 

[Scuferrari]

I can't repeat it enough, but often there is the opposite of a "FIArrari" when you look at decisions. Since 2007 (post Brawn-Todt-Schumi).

 

Fuji 2007. Telling Ferrari 10 or 15 minutes after the start that full wets were mandotory under the SC....a rule just made up and conicidently they informed every team bar Ferrari before that start. Crucial WC phase, Kimi had to battle from last to 3rd. The DD in 2009 which was quite clearly illegal led to a falsed WC season because Brawn GP still would have been a great car, but the story from zero to hero was just too good to ban that...otherwise Red Bull already had the best car and Ferrari and McLaren surely would have been in contention for some wins and podiums after those first 3 races (Ferrari at least....McLaren figured out their incredible front wing  mistake before Germany).

 

2010 laughable penalty in Silverstone against Alonso when he was boxed off the track by Kubica when he already passed him on the outside, with the inside line for the next corner...

 

The whole EBD saga 2011-2012....that was maybe a (dark) grey area Newey spotted....but still...in dubio contra Ferrari.

 

2013 Mercedes good for pole over 1 lap but barely even podium chance in the races (Monaco apart) until the secret tyre test. Within 1 or 2 races, tyre deg goes from "nightmare" to "solid average". Races won on "merit". Then Pirelli decides to bring a stronger carcasse tyre which would have helped Mercedes (but they already solved their tyre deg issues...) and generally enables cars with more downforce to extend their advantage. Ferrari won 2 races in dominant fashion in China and Barca and very competitive until mid season tyre change. A punishment for that understeery Ferrari car and Kimi in the Lotus who suffered in a lot of races in the 2nd half thanks to Pirelli inable to produce unexplosive tyres without changing fundamental characterics.

 

Last couple of years "questionable" race decisions....when a Ferrari was hit or blatantly blocked ( for example Verstappen changing twice direction on Kemmel straight @ Spa 2016 then Kimi still passes him on the outside, has 3/4 of his car in front and gets knocked off the track by Max who probably wouldn't have made the corner otherwise - no penalty).

Last year Ferrari's new floor declared against the rules.... then the new oil burning rule introduced just perfectly into Mercedes PU cycle.

 

It just adds up over the years....I don't want to claim FIA is anti Ferrari....but as I said...in 8 or 9 out of 10 cases "in dubio contra Ferrari". And it makes me sick.

 

I'm not paranoid, during Schumi era Ferrari was favored a couple of times. Malaysia 1999 to have the WDC decided in Suzuka. Post 2002 new points system +1 engine per race+ single lap Q to help McLaren and Williams catch up on Ferrari, as Montoya took 7 poles in 2002 but Ferrari at least 1 second faster on race day. It worked a bit too good. In Summer, Michelin and Williams were murdering the Ferrari on the heat. After losing the WDC lead and being LAPPED BY RACE WINNER ALONSO in Hungary it looked like Schumi had little chance to defend the title. WELL, Ferrari had enough influence to change tyre width measurement method, and FIA this time gave them reason.....ahead of Monza. Ferrari on the backfoot by a huge margin pace wise and no more in the lead after Hungary was a bit too much. Then comes Monza it's warm (poison for Ferrari-Bridgestone during the whole summer) and Ferrari wins that race.

 

In 2006 Schumi has to claw back points from Alonso who had a semi dominant first half, FIA decides ban the mass damper and Ferrari jumps from "3-4 tenths behind with the odd win om merit" ....to... "2-3 tenths faster if Michelin brings a good tyre and 0.5 - 1 second if Bridgestone brings the best tyre". Threw in Monza and that penalty...

 

That whole 1999-2006 seemed orchestrated, from dominance breaking anti Ferrari rules to strange gifts to the same team.....depending on how the WDC was looking.

 

 

Since 2007 it's "in dubio contra Ferrari. The '10 years arrive, two teams with a similar budget to Ferrari start winning, investing massively on politics also....and unfair race or especially rule decisions clearly show who the FIA wants to win for marketing purposes (remember that 15 years ago it seemed more like the FIA wanted a close title fight and invented rule to make the WDC interesting) That fun party team with wings or the Silver team with their road cars, hybrid era and all that sh!t....

 

Decisions have always been political but compared to 15 years ago marketing purposes have become much more important. Ferrari hasn't much to offer compared to those other 2 teams. Or have you seen clear anti dominance rules during RB domination years and during this Mercedes hybrid era? Like back in the day? No, FIA is fine with Mercedes winning as long as Ferrari stays in F1 and is semi competitive.

[gillesfan76]

I can't repeat it enough, but often there is the opposite of a "FIArrari" when you look at decisions. Since 2007 (post Brawn-Todt-Schumi).

 

Fuji 2007. Telling Ferrari 10 or 15 minutes after the start that full wets were mandotory under the SC....a rule just made up and conicidently they informed every team bar Ferrari before that start. Crucial WC phase, Kimi had to battle from last to 3rd. The DD in 2009 which was quite clearly illegal led to a falsed WC season because Brawn GP still would have been a great car, but the story from zero to hero was just too good to ban that...otherwise Red Bull already had the best car and Ferrari and McLaren surely would have been in contention for some wins and podiums after those first 3 races (Ferrari at least....McLaren figured out their incredible front wing  mistake before Germany).

 

2010 laughable penalty in Silverstone against Alonso when he was boxed off the track by Kubica when he already passed him on the outside, with the inside line for the next corner...

 

The whole EBD saga 2011-2012....that was maybe a (dark) grey area Newey spotted....but still...in dubio contra Ferrari.

 

2013 Mercedes good for pole over 1 lap but barely even podium chance in the races (Monaco apart) until the secret tyre test. Within 1 or 2 races, tyre deg goes from "nightmare" to "solid average". Races won on "merit". Then Pirelli decides to bring a stronger carcasse tyre which would have helped Mercedes (but they already solved their tyre deg issues...) and generally enables cars with more downforce to extend their advantage. Ferrari won 2 races in dominant fashion in China and Barca and very competitive until mid season tyre change. A punishment for that understeery Ferrari car and Kimi in the Lotus who suffered in a lot of races in the 2nd half thanks to Pirelli inable to produce unexplosive tyres without changing fundamental characterics.

 

Last couple of years "questionable" race decisions....when a Ferrari was hit or blatantly blocked ( for example Verstappen changing twice direction on Kemmel straight @ Spa 2016 then Kimi still passes him on the outside, has 3/4 of his car in front and gets knocked off the track by Max who probably wouldn't have made the corner otherwise - no penalty).

Last year Ferrari's new floor declared against the rules.... then the new oil burning rule introduced just perfectly into Mercedes PU cycle.

 

It just adds up over the years....I don't want to claim FIA is anti Ferrari....but as I said...in 8 or 9 out of 10 cases "in dubio contra Ferrari". And it makes me sick.

 

I'm not paranoid, during Schumi era Ferrari was favored a couple of times. Malaysia 1999 to have the WDC decided in Suzuka. Post 2002 new points system +1 engine per race+ single lap Q to help McLaren and Williams catch up on Ferrari, as Montoya took 7 poles in 2002 but Ferrari at least 1 second faster on race day. It worked a bit too good. In Summer, Michelin and Williams were murdering the Ferrari on the heat. After losing the WDC lead and being LAPPED BY RACE WINNER ALONSO in Hungary it looked like Schumi had little chance to defend the title. WELL, Ferrari had enough influence to change tyre width measurement method, and FIA this time gave them reason.....ahead of Monza. Ferrari on the backfoot by a huge margin pace wise and no more in the lead after Hungary was a bit too much. Then comes Monza it's warm (poison for Ferrari-Bridgestone during the whole summer) and Ferrari wins that race.

 

In 2006 Schumi has to claw back points from Alonso who had a semi dominant first half, FIA decides ban the mass damper and Ferrari jumps from "3-4 tenths behind with the odd win om merit" ....to... "2-3 tenths faster if Michelin brings a good tyre and 0.5 - 1 second if Bridgestone brings the best tyre". Threw in Monza and that penalty...

 

That whole 1999-2006 seemed orchestrated, from dominance breaking anti Ferrari rules to strange gifts to the same team.....depending on how the WDC was looking.

 

 

Since 2007 it's "in dubio contra Ferrari. The '10 years arrive, two teams with a similar budget to Ferrari start winning, investing massively on politics also....and unfair race or especially rule decisions clearly show who the FIA wants to win for marketing purposes (remember that 15 years ago it seemed more like the FIA wanted a close title fight and invented rule to make the WDC interesting) That fun party team with wings or the Silver team with their road cars, hybrid era and all that sh!t....

 

Decisions have always been political but compared to 15 years ago marketing purposes have become much more important. Ferrari hasn't much to offer compared to those other 2 teams. Or have you seen clear anti dominance rules during RB domination years and during this Mercedes hybrid era? Like back in the day? No, FIA is fine with Mercedes winning as long as Ferrari stays in F1 and is semi competitive.

 

Nah, I think you're being paranoid.

[Risil]

I love the new start time.
So there.
Jp

So long as the start times are consistent, and it's not too inconvenient for the people who actually show up for the races in person, it's all good.