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[Oho]

Yeah he was doing ok up until he started explaining how dropping Räikkönen and informing him of the decision late after most other opportunities had dried up was in Räikkonen's best interest. At that point the odor of excrement made it through the screen and ear phones alike...

Edited by Oho, 14 September 2018 - 19:49.

[YoungGun]

Sometimes I feel some Kimi fans are like prepubescent teens! 

Edited by YoungGun, 15 September 2018 - 00:11.

[tom]

I'm a Kimi fan and still no beef with Arrivabene, think he likes Kimi but was probably under alot of pressure, just did what he could in the circumstances.
I know Kimi seems damn quick this year. But let's face it the other 4 years were similar to Schumacher's last few.

Good to see Seb feeling the need to push so hard and tap the wall, hoping for a dry qualy and them both hundredths apart

[apoka]

I hope for a somewhat clean qualy and race. The bashing mood in this and other threads makes the forums hard to bear at the moment, so it would be nice to recover from this.

[Radion]

Clean as in vettel not crashing? Yes, let's hope that for his own sake.

[tmekt]

Sometimes I feel some Kimi fans are like prepubescent teens!

In contrast to posts like this?

[Peter Perfect]

What is it with the British press at the moment? It's like they're willing Vettel to make another mistake instead of reporting. Autosport is no exception.

[xman]

What is it with the British press at the moment? It's like they're willing Vettel to make another mistake instead of reporting. Autosport is no exception.

 

I can't recall for how many years Autosport and BBC (Benson) have been trying to get Ferrari to ditch Kimi for some other driver (Perez, Hulkenberg, Bianchi, Ricciardo, Leclerc - probably missing a few). Benson has always had anti-Kimi agenda, probably because he was Alonso fanboy. And Autosport, well, even if Kimi had a perfect race, maximum he would get in their "driver ratings" would be 8 out of 10.

 

Now that Kimi is finally on his way out (and their predictions at last were correct - even a broken clock is right two times a day), in their loathing towards Kimi they seem to be embracing team orders rather than racing. Which I find odd, since F1 is supposed to be pinnacle of the motorsport, not premeditated show business like WWE. But each to their own...

[RECKLESS]

The cold wind whistles around here.

[Jovanotti]

The cold wind whistles around here.

Well...it's an underwhelming result. Kimi did a good job considering this is Vettel's special track, just bad that Ferrari was slower than expected.

[ZZei]

Well...it's an underwhelming result. Kimi did a good job considering this is Vettel's special track, just bad that Ferrari was slower than expected.

And its not like Kimi has'nt been driving half of the season with a less powerful car. And I dont get how people rate the mercedes lower than ferrari. After Spa people just somehow assume Ferrari is the superior car, when the mercedes was the better car on raceday at Monza. 

[Massa]

How do you know Mercedes was better at Monza ? After all Vettel had a heavily damaged car and Raikkonen we all know his engine situation.

[apoka]

How do you know Mercedes was better at Monza ? After all Vettel had a heavily damaged car and Raikkonen we all know his engine situation.

The engine certainly does not explain his time deficit against Hamilton.

[ZZei]

How do you know Mercedes was better at Monza ? After all Vettel had a heavily damaged car and Raikkonen we all know his engine situation.

Well they worked their tires much better. Bottas could have very well been second too if he hadnt got stuck behind Verstappen for half of the race. In outright pace Ferrari was maybe better as quali showed, but you need your tires to work for the race too. Today ferrari didnt get their tires to work on saturday, we'll see if they've learned something for sunday. 

[tigerbalm]

I can't recall for how many years Autosport and BBC (Benson) have been trying to get Ferrari to ditch Kimi for some other driver (Perez, Hulkenberg, Bianchi, Ricciardo, Leclerc - probably missing a few). Benson has always had anti-Kimi agenda, probably because he was Alonso fanboy. And Autosport, well, even if Kimi had a perfect race, maximum he would get in their "driver ratings" would be 8 out of 10.

Now that Kimi is finally on his way out (and their predictions at last were correct - even a broken clock is right two times a day), in their loathing towards Kimi they seem to be embracing team orders rather than racing. Which I find odd, since F1 is supposed to be pinnacle of the motorsport, not premeditated show business like WWE. But each to their own...

Since I follow the Premier League (arsenal fan) I’ve noticed a theme for the British press. They focus their attention on a particular team/ manager/ player and basically find fault with them. Even when they win, they still find something to criticize. It’s then rinse and repeat, until the “scenario” no longer exists, e.g. Kimi’s situation. When that happens they search for another “issue” and start the process again

[SCUDmissile]

Fair play to Seb today he was very good a d very smart.

But this time he was let down by his I won't team, who I wouldn't be surprised are double agents.

They surely can't be this incompetent, to use the words of James Allison.

[Jovanotti]

SV was one and a half tenth better yesterday with more new engine components over one of the longest laps on the calendar, Sunday you can't rate imo.

Edited by Jovanotti, 16 September 2018 - 14:12.

[boillot]

Both were poor yesterday and today. Nothing else to say.

[SCUDmissile]

LeClerc back in the points

[WelshSwan]

LeClerc back in the points

 

Awaits calls for Kimi to be replaced NOW as Leclerc will win the WCC for Ferrari on his own if he comes in NOW.

[Oho]

Both were poor yesterday and today. 

 

Really how is that?  In the top six everybody finished where they started... Where all others in the top six poor as well? Vettel was good at the beginning getting by Verstappen, did not not have good view at how he lost the position but he was put on rather odd strategy. Raikkonen how was he poor? What reasonably he should have done in the race given his starting position that he did not do? 

 

Ok Vettel lost the position essentially for allowing himself to be held up by Perez a lap too long. If his tires had any life left on them they should have kept him out a couple laps longer until he cleared Perez which must have been pretty close....

Edited by Oho, 16 September 2018 - 15:36.

[Vesuvius]

Ferrari simply was't fast enough. Both did ok, but nothing special.overtaking was pretty much impossible.

Edited by Vesuvius, 16 September 2018 - 14:26.

[motorhead]

Ferrari just didn´t have a pace

[HermannH]

Ferrari simply was't fast enough. Both did ok, but nothing special.overtaking was pretty much impossible.

There was nothing wrong with the pace of Ferrari

[1Devil1]

There was nothing wrong with the pace of Ferrari

 

Are you a robot?

[xtremeclock]

Are you a robot?

 

Just a troll, ignore him.

[SCUDmissile]

Awaits calls for Kimi to be replaced NOW as Leclerc will win the WCC for Ferrari on his own if he comes in NOW.

Tbh that was offtopic, sorry, shouldn't have posted that.

What with Ferraris season becoming the dumpster fire it was always going to be, Leclerc is now my main interest.

[WelshSwan]

Tbh that was offtopic, sorry, shouldn't have posted that.

What with Ferraris season becoming the dumpster fire it was always going to be, Leclerc is now my main interest.

 

Don't be sorry, even as a Kimi fan I am VERY interested to see what Charles can do. 

 

Only positive to take from today is that neither driver really got to show the true pace of the car as one ended up having to nurse ultra softs for forty odd laps and the other was stuck behind a Mercedes for half the race. I think both should have done better in quali though, yeah Lewis and Max were amazing but I think Vettel should have at least been ahead of Max and Kimi should have been ahead of Bottas.

[GLessard]

Ferrari simply was't fast enough. Both did ok, but nothing special.overtaking was pretty much impossible.

 

The drivers weren't fast enough...

[Vesuvius]

The drivers weren't fast enough...

Perhaps but neither was the car.

[Vesuvius]

Kimi said that there was good speed on the car, but when you get close to one in front, you will lose the grip and can't overtake if the other driver makes a mistake.

[MikeV1987]

Are you a robot?

 

He's just baiting as per usual.

[DarthWillie]

Vettel did ok with those tires, he was lucky Bottas was so slow. Kimi was stuck. Plain simple. Frustrating how Ferrari seem to try to loose this championship. Every race something stupid happens. Strategy was never going to happen. Sigh

[HermannH]

Are you a robot?

What was wrong with the pace? 

the drivers did a bad job yesterday. Had they done a good job, they could have taken the pole. 

As for race pace, vettel managed to get to the end on dead US and still be faster than Bottas. There was zero wrong with the pace of the car and it took a magic weekend from Hamilton to beat the Ferrari's

[hello86]

Seriously when Seb is fast its the car when he is slow its him.

[boillot]

Seriously when Seb is fast its the car when he is slow its him.

Yes, and it is really so.
He has never overcome the limitations of his machinery, and quite often has underperformed.
He can win only in dominant machinery and often made dominant machinery look ordinary.

Edited by boillot, 16 September 2018 - 15:43.

[Oho]

Yes, and it is really so.
He has never overcome the limitations of his machinery, and quite often has underperformed.
He can win only in dominant machinery and often made dominant machinery look ordinary.

 

No kidding, circular logic much? When did Vettel piss in your porridge?

[boillot]

No kidding, circular logic much? When did Vettel piss in your porridge?

When he “won” the 2012 title completely undeservedly and when I realised that he’ll never win at Ferrari unless Mercedes withdraws.

[YoungGun]

What a cluster **** of a race. We got spanked today by Mercedes and Red Bull ... accepting a beating from Mercedes is palatable, but Red Bull lucking into a podium at our expense for putting Seb on the wrong tire after he went aggressive in the opening laps is just unacceptable. 

 

We don't deserve to be considered in the same league as Red Bull let alone Mercedes.  

[Perfection]

Yes, and it is really so.
He has never overcome the limitations of his machinery, and quite often has underperformed.
He can win only in dominant machinery and often made dominant machinery look ordinary.

 

lol who does that ? 

[boillot]

lol who does that ?

You are right, I expressed myself clumsily.
I wanted to say “he never exploited his machinery better than many other drivers. If he has a dominant car, he can win, but he’ll never snatch victories (bar one-off) with not being best car”.

[Melchiot]

lol who does that ? 

 

Didnt you get the memo yet?

hamilton's been driving minardis for all of his career; Alonso almost won 2012 in a shitbox meanwhile Vettels 2008 Toro Rosso was actually a pretty good car.

[Nonesuch]

he’ll never snatch victories (bar one-off) with not being best car”.

Ferrari had the best car in 2015, when Vettel won three races?

[boillot]

Didnt you get the memo yet?
hamilton's been driving minardis for all of his career; Alonso almost won 2012 in a shitbox meanwhile Vettels 2008 Toro Rosso was actually a pretty good car.

Yes, 2008 STR was better than that year’s RBR.
Not a bad car and of course the Monza drive was very good. But let him win the title without a Newey car, then we can talk about greatness.

Edited by boillot, 16 September 2018 - 16:26.

[noriaki]

Yes, and it is really so.
He has never overcome the limitations of his machinery, and quite often has underperformed.
He can win only in dominant machinery and often made dominant machinery look ordinary.

 

"Can only win in dominant machinery"

 

Like Toro Rosso in 2008. 

 

""won" 2012" 

 

Yeah, the year when Webber finished 6th on standings. So undeserved. 

[boillot]

"Can only win in dominant machinery"

Like Toro Rosso in 2008.

""won" 2012"

Yeah, the year when Webber finished 6th on standings. So undeserved.

Yes, totally undeserved.
When I said can win only in dominant machinery, I meant titles, not races.
Again, when he wins a title without a Newey car, I’ll change my mind.

[GLessard]

Ferrari had the best car in 2015, when Vettel won three races?

 Yes he was so amazing that year

[Melchiot]

Yes, 2008 STR was better than that year’s RBR.
Not a bad car and of course the Monza drive was very good. But let him win the title without a Newey car, then we can talk about greatness.

 

Thats not the point tho.

The ppl. who would call Fernandos 2012 ferrari a "shitbox" are the same ones who would say the 2008 Toro Rosso was a "good car". when its clear as day that the toro rosso was nowhere near as competitive with its contemporaries as the 2012 ferrari was.

Vettel has plenty of flaws alright, but being slow or unable to extract the best out of his machinery in a race are not one of them.

[MikeV1987]

Again, when he wins a title without a Newey car, I’ll change my mind.

 

Nah, you won't. It's always going to be something to discredit the guy.

[boillot]

Thats not the point tho.
The ppl. who would call Fernandos 2012 ferrari a "shitbox" are the same ones who would say the 2008 Toro Rosso was a "good car". when its clear as day that the toro rosso was nowhere near as competitive with its contemporaries as the 2012 ferrari was.
Vettel has plenty of flaws alright, but being slow or unable to extract the best out of his machinery in a race are not one of them.

He is simply not good in maximizing his results.
Raw speed is there, most of the other things are not.
And about 2008 and 2012 car comparison, Alonso mounted a whole season title challenge in that car, it’s not about one circumstantial win, like in 2008.