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Poll: Formula E Season 5 [2018/2019]: Official Thread (95 member(s) have cast votes)

What are you looking forward the most for S5?

  1. New cars, proper speed! (64 votes [67.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 67.37%

  2. Felipe Massa's electric debut (8 votes [8.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.42%

  3. Boost Mode in action (1 votes [1.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.05%

  4. An underdog's win (5 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  5. New drivers, more cars (17 votes [17.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.89%

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#951 Ben1445

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:50

We have already had that in Marrakesh and will do the same in Mexico next week.

Not for the original 2015/15 common power train version of Gen1 we haven’t. If I’m not mistaken Monaco is the only unchanged first season venue which will be raced at this year.

I would love to see the full Monaco circuit used by FE, maybe season 7 will be the right time for the FIA. If not Gen3 will be next up with the biennial set up.

Maybe after that F1 will collapse because of ongoing mismanagement and petrol racing becoming untenable and FE takes over as the official Monaco Grand Prix  ;)


Edited by Ben1445, 10 February 2019 - 10:17.


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#952 thegamer23

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:01

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Interesting tho.

At the event presentation conference they showed the circuit map, and T1 looks different to me, much more open & flowing with the old oval. 

 

Maybe it's a mistake, but would be weird as everything else is correct there. 

 

That's the 2018 version: 
 

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Well, i guess we'll know soon!


Edited by thegamer23, 10 February 2019 - 11:03.


#953 Ben1445

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:12

That is curious, my gut tells me that it's a mistake but who knows. 

 

I'll be interested to see if the FIA pluck for 3 Attack Mode activations this time or change the time they're active for. They've all been 2 activations for 4 minutes each so far. 



#954 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:28

Looks like they've just not put in the temporary wall we've had every race. Or they've decided to do without it this year... 



#955 Vielleicht

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 14:07

Maybe after that F1 will collapse because of ongoing mismanagement and petrol racing becoming untenable and FE takes over as the official Monaco Grand Prix  ;)

Crazy thing is I don't think that's an impossibility within the next couple of decades. But who knows.



#956 Stephane

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 14:28

The Monte Carlo rally has already had some editions outside the WRC, so why not.



#957 Ben1445

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 15:11

^ Indeed the Monaco Grand Prix has also existed since 1929, predating F1, and doesn't even conform to the 305km minimum for F1 race distance. 

 

Crazy thing is I don't think that's an impossibility within the next couple of decades.

 

Exactly. It could go something like this: 

  • Lets just say that for Gen 3 FE nearly doubles it's battery range again and/or adds fast recharge capability, allowing them to achieve over 100 miles race distance at Monaco. 
  • At this point the world is increasingly focused on sustainability as we move towards 2030, bans on ICE sales in various key markets start to loom very close indeed, EVs saturate the luxury vehicle market and Monaco, synonymous with luxury, is no exception.
  • By this point there may be more EVs on Monaco's roads than ICE.
  • Maybe the Automobile Club de Monaco decide the best chance for the survival of the Monaco Grand Prix beyond 2030 is to award the race to Formula E, with whom they already have a relationship.
  • Formula E takes over the event and keeps the 'Grand Prix' name for Monaco only and allows as many recharging stops as the teams like, with the rest of the races remaining as shorter ePrix. 
  • Monaco takes the place of a special event like the Indy 500 or Le Mans within the FE season. 

 

Not saying it will. But it could. ​It's plausible. 



#958 BRG

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 22:18

I'd certainly vote for F1 to drop Monaco.  it is a stupidly tight track and hopeless for proper racing.  FE are welcome to it. 



#959 MattK9

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 22:21

Mexico was first used in season 2. At least 2 maybe 3 teams still used the original powertrain from season 1.

Berlin templehof was used in season 1 but was a completely different layout.

I do hope fe use the full Monaco circuit next time they come back (season 7?).

I don't think the fe race at Monaco will ever be called a grand prix. But I do think f1 has out grown Monaco. I hope by 2030 fe will use Monaco every year and f1 only every other year.

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#960 Ben1445

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 23:08

Mexico was first used in season 2. At least 2 maybe 3 teams still used the original powertrain from season 1.

Berlin templehof was used in season 1 but was a completely different layout.

Oh, you’re right, I had forgotten about the carry over teams using session one powertrains in season two. Though if we’re being very picky, Mexico had a first corner change in layout from the wibbly wobbly bit to a straightforward right handed apex clip so it’s not going to be as pure a conparison to season 1 as Monaco will be.

Edited by Ben1445, 10 February 2019 - 23:09.


#961 Ben1445

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 23:18

I do hope fe use the full Monaco circuit next time they come back (season 7?).

I don't think the fe race at Monaco will ever be called a grand prix. But I do think f1 has out grown Monaco. I hope by 2030 fe will use Monaco every year and f1 only every other year.

I revise my hypothetical future, it will be known as the Monaco Grand ePrix!

No, I don’t know really. Formula One will undoubtedly want to hold on to Monaco, unsuitable or not. There’s too much prestige and provenance to the race for them to abandon it. That’s why I considered it would more likely be action on the part of the Automobile Club de Monaco and what they want the race to be rather than anything else.

#962 thegamer23

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:45

Mexico City e-Prix coming this saturday, one of the highlights of the season!
Formula E + Jaguar I-Pace action!

 

Race thread coming tomorrow evening

 

 

 

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Edited by thegamer23, 12 February 2019 - 11:23.


#963 thegamer23

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 16:38

Albon: FE test will make F1 transition less difficult
https://www.racefans...-f1-transition/

 

Interesting


Edited by thegamer23, 11 February 2019 - 16:39.


#964 Vielleicht

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:00

One for the retro livery lovers...

 

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#965 Ben1445

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:16

One for the retro livery lovers...

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Ok, I mean that’s always been a VERY nice livery but it is more motorsport obsession with nostalgia. Add to that it’s more accidental tobacco advertising as the brand in question still exists.

I’m not against throwback liveries but dear god have we had a saturation of the market in recent years. Especially from damn Porsche.

Having said that, having the TWR name back and on a Jaguar may be cause for celebration enough. It’s not often that happens.

#966 BRG

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 21:12

Oh dear God.... :rolleyes:



#967 thegamer23

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 16:06

STOP THE CLOCK PROCEDURES LIKELY TO BE INTRODUCED

https://e-racing365....ater-in-season/


I can see Maxhimilian partying hard for this. 


Race thread a little bit late this time around, coming later tonight or tomorrow.  :up:


Edited by thegamer23, 13 February 2019 - 16:06.


#968 Sterzo

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 14:05

I’m not against throwback liveries but dear god have we had a saturation of the market in recent years.

We're incredibly excited to launch our new livery - oh look, there's an old pot of paint in this corner...



#969 Ben1445

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 14:23

As was in the Thursday Mexico Notebook, there's a possibility of fast recharging in the race for Gen 3. 

 

Which would folks like to see  

 

Similar race pace but for longer?

Or 

Faster race pace but for 45 minutes as it is now?

Or 

Something else entirely? 



#970 thegamer23

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 14:40

Fast recharging would translate into massive performance boost for the battery weight reduction alone.
Gen 3 are going to reach F1 levels of acceleration (0-200 km/h) & the races could be much longer, if they want to!

I like the short race format tho, simiar to MotoGP races lenght, maybe they can extend to 1 hour.

What's sure is that we only scratched the surface of electric racing's potential :up:

(I'm already happy with Gen 2 racing tho 😎)

Edited by thegamer23, 15 February 2019 - 14:49.


#971 Muppetmad

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 15:16

Fast recharging would be very road-relevant, so I could see the teams pushing for that.



#972 Vielleicht

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Posted 15 February 2019 - 18:32

I think what would probably make most sense is indeed to downsize on the battery - shortening charging time and lowering weight. Make them nimble and fast.

 

I'd probably also keep the 45 minute races, it just seems like a length more palatable for modern tastes. just go faster during them.



#973 RSRally

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 00:13

Seeing how fast the cars looked in Mexico and how some people thought they had outgrown the track, I really hope they have made some improvements to the track in Hong Kong..

#974 Ben1445

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 00:33

I don't believe we'll see much difference but as I understand it the future of the race after this season semi-hinges on modifications to the layout to suit the Gen2 more. 

 

I must say I'm worried about Paris and it's future, which I think will be one of the most unsuitable for Gen 2 of the season in my opinion. 



#975 Muppetmad

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 06:38

I should be spectating the Paris race - I'll let you know how it looks from the spectator's perspective!



#976 ezequiel

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 14:16

Testing at Mexico today. The only driver switch is Marciello in, López out at Dragon (a sign of things to come?)



#977 Ben1445

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 23:58

Has anyone else noticed that next race in Hong Kong will be the 50th ePrix since Formula E began? 



#978 thegamer23

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Posted 18 February 2019 - 08:41

JEV topped Mexico test with a new track record

https://e-racing365....son-test-times/

 

Next stop. Hong Kong, the week before F1 starts!  :smoking:  :smoking: 

Let's hope for a slightly revised layout. 

 

 

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#979 RSRally

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Posted 18 February 2019 - 11:42

Hong Kong is going to be live on BBC2 apparently. I think that's a shame as it's not one of he best FE tracks and it'll be on at an unusual time too.. not too likely to attract many viewers.

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#980 Vielleicht

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Posted 18 February 2019 - 18:49

Oh hey, the first batch of Formula E's Gen 1 batteries are being recycled

 

https://www.fiaformu...attery-programe

 

 

The batteries, created by Williams Advanced Engineering, have been collected and are already in the recycling process, which comprises of sorting, dismantling and recycling. Here, the valuable metals are carefully recovered using proprietary and unique smelting technology - followed by hydrometallurgical treatment.

 

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The metals in the battery are infinitely recyclable, without losing any of their properties. After the batteries are carefully taken apart - using methods to ensure the environment isn’t exposed to hazardous compounds - the metals and metal alloys will be used again in new rechargeable batteries or other products.



#981 Ben1445

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 07:53

With the number of people who voice concern over the horror of EV batteries sitting around in scrapyards leaking toxic chemicals, that feels significant. 



#982 sportyskells

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 09:15

Did someone say BBC2, no issue on that channel for me (At had hosted F1 races in the past) and this means no issues with the old Virign media record button and of course this starts my avoid the social media blackout way



#983 Cornholio

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 12:09

As was in the Thursday Mexico Notebook, there's a possibility of fast recharging in the race for Gen 3. 

 

Which would folks like to see  

 

Similar race pace but for longer?

Or 

Faster race pace but for 45 minutes as it is now?

Or 

Something else entirely? 

 

I'd definitely prefer a longer race, my main issue with FE (besides the thankfully inconsequential fanboost) has always been the length of the races, they just seem over way too quickly and feels like less of an event to me because of it. Obviously I get the range issues that have forced that, and also get why they prioritised getting rid of the car swap first for image reasons and to make space for more teams in the paddock, but if there is the capability in future to race for longer I'd like to see it happen.



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Posted 19 February 2019 - 12:54

STOP THE CLOCK PROCEDURES LIKELY TO BE INTRODUCED

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I can see Maxhimilian partying hard for this. 

 

Makes too much sense.  They should have consulted with me to begin with!   ;)



#985 BRG

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 20:22

With the number of people who voice concern over the horror of EV batteries sitting around in scrapyards leaking toxic chemicals, that feels significant. 

...except that the statement carefully avoids mentioning the toxic chemicals, and just concentrates on the metals - which were never the problem. They are probably dumping the toxic waste down the lane behind the factory.



#986 Ben1445

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 20:59

...except that the statement carefully avoids mentioning the toxic chemicals, and just concentrates on the metals - which were never the problem. They are probably dumping the toxic waste down the lane behind the factory.

Except they do.

“ using methods to ensure the environment isn’t exposed to hazardous compounds”

So that’s not down the back of the lane then.

If I remember correctly as well there was concern about battery profitability in terms of expensive metals being trapped in batteries because of the toxicity

Edited by Ben1445, 19 February 2019 - 21:16.


#987 Vielleicht

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Posted 20 February 2019 - 23:56

A retro what-if livery exercise I can get behind. Season 1 liveries on the Gen2 car.

 

https://drivetribe.c...8Q1Gn7qUJlp4bAA

 

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#988 MattK9

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 13:54

I'd definitely prefer a longer race, my main issue with FE (besides the thankfully inconsequential fanboost) has always been the length of the races, they just seem over way too quickly and feels like less of an event to me because of it. Obviously I get the range issues that have forced that, and also get why they prioritised getting rid of the car swap first for image reasons and to make space for more teams in the paddock, but if there is the capability in future to race for longer I'd like to see it happen.

 

I understand what you mean, i would rather a longer race, but for a casual fan i would say that 45-50 mins is too long. Especially if large parts of the races are waiting for the battery energy to go down before the chaos ensues in the final laps. 



#989 Vielleicht

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 15:04

From basic napkin maths, I would expect that for a 1-3 stop race with roughly the same usable energy as Gen2 would take 1-4 minutes per pit-stop for the expected power of future ultra-fast charging (anywhere between 350-800kW are being tested by various firms), depending on what combination of variables (recharging power, number of stops) you pick.

 

It would be more like an endurance pit stop than F1 in that sense. But compared to what FE does with it's standard 100kW recharging it brings recharging races from non-starter to actual feasible prospect.

 

In practice though, I think a single stop top up is more likely at least as a starting point to introduce the tech. I'd set the races at maybe 20-50% longer than the initial fully charged battery would allow then let the teams choose for how long they would like to stop for and recharge for.



#990 thegamer23

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 15:06

A retro what-if livery exercise I can get behind. Season 1 liveries on the Gen2 car.

https://drivetribe.c...8Q1Gn7qUJlp4bAA

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You made it??

Brilliant work 🙌👍🏻👍🏻

#991 Vielleicht

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 15:14

You made it??

Brilliant work

Alas t'was not me. This is the artist in question: https://phacelesspho....wordpress.com/

 

I just sort of agree that there's a crazy number of retro-what if liveries knocking around recently and they're getting a bit stale. But this one is novel and interesting, so I thought it was worth sharing.


Edited by Vielleicht, 21 February 2019 - 15:15.


#992 Ben1445

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 17:18

From basic napkin maths, I would expect that for a 1-3 stop race with roughly the same usable energy as Gen2 would take 1-4 minutes per pit-stop for the expected power of future ultra-fast charging (anywhere between 350-800kW are being tested by various firms), depending on what combination of variables (recharging power, number of stops) you pick.

 

It would be more like an endurance pit stop than F1 in that sense. But compared to what FE does with it's standard 100kW recharging it brings recharging races from non-starter to actual feasible prospect.

 

In practice though, I think a single stop top up is more likely at least as a starting point to introduce the tech. I'd set the races at maybe 20-50% longer than the initial fully charged battery would allow then let the teams choose for how long they would like to stop for and recharge for.

 

Get what you mean about introducing the technology. But the change in battery weight will make quite a difference too. 

 

If you were to recharge at 600kW for 1 minute, you'd need at least a 10kWh battery to store the energy delivered. 10kWh using the same energy density as a Gen2 battery is only about 70kg. Stick that in the back of a Gen 2 and the cars total weight goes down to less than 600kg, less than two thirds of the current car. When you're not lugging all that extra weight around, you're going to be able to go either faster or further or a bit of both. 

 

I'd imagine over in whatever offices and meeting rooms they're evaluating potential Gen3 rules, all sorts of possibilities have been looked at in much more detail. 



#993 RSRally

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Posted 21 February 2019 - 19:49

A retro what-if livery exercise I can get behind. Season 1 liveries on the Gen2 car.

https://drivetribe.c...8Q1Gn7qUJlp4bAA

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Wow, they all look great!

This season i’m not a fan of the Venturi or HWA livery, other than that all pretty good.

#994 Vielleicht

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 09:32

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Interesting..



#995 Vielleicht

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 09:39

As I say that the first of those is up this morning:

 

Vienna confirms talks with Formula E [auf Deutsch]

https://e-formel.de/...mel-e-7823.html

 

 

Spokeswoman for the City of Vienna "Formula E as a sport that promotes sustainable mobility is, naturally, an interesting platform for a modern and future-oriented city. We are currently talking to Formula E and we are evaluating the framework to possibly be considered as the venue for a race in Vienna, but it is too early now to talk about any details."



#996 Ben1445

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 10:31

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Interesting..


Did someone say ....a game?!

#997 Myrvold

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 10:39

Did someone say ....a game?!


More fleshed out than rFactor 2 then I guess :p

#998 Vielleicht

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 10:46

I know they’re plotting that live ghost racing thing in which you can race in real time with the drivers on track. But I’m not sure what platform they were planning on doing that. Can’t say if it’s a big release like an F1 game or a smaller thing like a standalone Real Racing or integrated into another game.

#999 Ben1445

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 12:15

I know they’re plotting that live ghost racing thing in which you can race in real time with the drivers on track. But I’m not sure what platform they were planning on doing that. Can’t say if it’s a big release like an F1 game or a smaller thing like a standalone Real Racing or integrated into another game.

Oh that's a point. The thing for me is that a game/sim must have good physics or it's not really worth it for me. If Virtually Live's platform is like Real Racing 3 it won't be something I'd be massively interested in. If it's something more substantial then it could be fantastic. 



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#1000 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 22 February 2019 - 14:30

Interesting note in this article; apparently the top FE earners make similar money to "established Indycar drivers, not including prize money", and it says the top drivers make between €1 million and €1,6 million a season.

 

https://e-racing365....lation-concern/