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[RobNNN]

Christian Horner's expletive was silenced during "live" coverage of the Hungarian GP. What the Heck?  

[Currahee]

Christian Horner's expletive was silenced during "live" coverage of the Hungarian GP. What the Heck?

I noticed the apology for his swearing but never heard it.

[jonpollak]

These pansy ass broadcasters...

 

I have the solution for you however.

GO TO MY WEBSITE to hear the best swears of the week.

 

Jp

[IPBushy]

Around 50 seconds delayed.

[Izzyeviel]

Yeah, all live sport is delayed by a few seconds for exactly this reason. We mustn't upset the delicate conservatives.

[cpbell]

Yeah, all live sport is delayed by a few seconds for exactly this reason. We mustn't upset the delicate conservatives.

More likely in case there's a particularly nasty crash, such as a car visibly hitting marshals or spectators.

[TomNokoe]

Christian Horner's expletive was silenced during "live" coverage of the Hungarian GP. What the Heck?

It's 6-7 seconds behind Live Timing, but this is probably broadcast latency more than anything.

I'm pretty sure you can hear Horner say it if you listen carefully. It's masked by the commotion of Brundle/Croft.

[AustinF1]

Yeah, all live sport is delayed by a few seconds for exactly this reason. We mustn't upset the delicate conservatives.

I'd say the delicate ears are spread throughout the political spectrum.

[Mosrite]

Yeah, all live sport is delayed by a few seconds for exactly this reason. We mustn't upset the delicate conservatives.

it's also to do with betting, for instance, a tennis player gets injured and you lump on his opponent before they can change the odds or make the betting invalid. I noticed it once when I was watching matches at Wimbledon, there was a guy with an ear peace, telling his friend that one of the players looks injured like he might retire in the 1st set. But yeah, we cannot just see 'live' TV, it must be censored. But everyone knew what Max was saying on pit radio  

[Afterburner]

Are you streaming or watching via satellite? Lag between those is different. Streaming can be up to a full minute behind in some cases.

[crooky369]

it's also to do with betting, for instance, a tennis player gets injured and you lump on his opponent before they can change the odds or make the betting invalid. I noticed it once when I was watching matches at Wimbledon, there was a guy with an ear peace, telling his friend that one of the players looks injured like he might retire in the 1st set. But yeah, we cannot just see 'live' TV, it must be censored. But everyone knew what Max was saying on pit radio

That would make sense. I’ve seen the Sky Bet app show goals before they’ve actually happened on TV seemingly from a small delay on the TV feed.

[w1Y]

The conversation was perfect timing

[RobNNN]

I was watching via satellite.

[NewMrMe]

More likely in case there's a particularly nasty crash, such as a car visibly hitting marshals or spectators.

 

I thought all live tv was subject to a delay of a few seconds so in the event of something graphic/streakers/flashers/intruders/protesters trying to get on tv, etc, they can avoid showing the incident.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Around 50 seconds delayed.

I thought 10 seconds but having said that you could be right thinking about it

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Nanny state... and the snowflakes need protecting

[SKL]

I remember vividly watching Greg Moore lose his life on live TV -  they purposely never showed a replay of the crash if I remember correctly as I think they knew it was bad.  Of course you can watch it on youtube over and over if you want, though I don't know why you'd want to...

 

Trust me-  I'm a conservative, and the in car radio doesn't bother me at all  

[Ze Bum]

There hasn't been live TV since the analogue days. Digital TV takes a few seconds to code the signal and then to decode it again in your own TV or set top box. Typically 6-7 seconds. Internet streaming takes almost a minute.

 

The broadcast is as much live as it can be with modern digital technology.

[ferenc_k]

There hasn't been live TV since the analogue days. Digital TV takes a few seconds to code the signal and then to decode it again in your own TV or set top box. Typically 6-7 seconds. Internet streaming takes almost a minute.

 

The broadcast is as much live as it can be with modern digital technology.

Actually the video is 1 frame (usually it is 1/25, 1/30 or 1/50, 1/60 seconds roughly) delayed on the camera output at least. So digital camera picture will never be real-time as such The production chain can add another 1 or 2 frame delays at the race track at least depending on the effects, routers, etc what they are using. Then comes encoding to different transport video compression formats, multiplexing, remultiplexing  than decoding in the studio and further delays and processing then the signal leaves your local broadcasters and the cable/satellite system and decoding on your TV set or in your browser can add more latency. At the end it will be something like 30sec up to a minute or even more overall delay. The real delay can vary even between your TV sets at home, my moms Pana LED TV is always early, my UHD LG is 2-3 frame later, probably doing more processing rescaling because of the HD to UHD scaling in the TV. 

[mgs315]

There’s definitely a fair few seconds delay. I was at Eastbourne for the tennis recently and they had a big screen showing the BBC coverage just outside centre court, a point would be over before you’d even seen the player serve if it was only 2-3 plays in the rally.

[Ze Bum]

Actually the video is 1 frame (usually it is 1/25, 1/30 or 1/50, 1/60 seconds roughly) delayed on the camera output at least. So digital camera picture will never be real-time as such The production chain can add another 1 or 2 frame delays at the race track at least depending on the effects, routers, etc what they are using. Then comes encoding to different transport video compression formats, multiplexing, remultiplexing  than decoding in the studio and further delays and processing then the signal leaves your local broadcasters and the cable/satellite system and decoding on your TV set or in your browser can add more latency. At the end it will be something like 30sec up to a minute or even more overall delay. The real delay can vary even between your TV sets at home, my moms Pana LED TV is always early, my UHD LG is 2-3 frame later, probably doing more processing rescaling because of the HD to UHD scaling in the TV. 

 

Yes, it's easy to see when you look at the clock in the F1 free practice sessions or the Rolex clock in the picture when the formation lap starts. They are always about 7 seconds late in my TV set. There is no time delay on purpose, so I can see all the horrible accidents and swearings. It's just that the digital broadcasting takes its time.

 

I have also noticed that my other set top box/digital recorder is a bit faster than my other one.

[FatHarryWhite]

I heard a rather muffled "F..." from Horner, so it wasn't edited out on this occasion...

[Thursday]

There hasn't been live TV since the analogue days. Digital TV takes a few seconds to code the signal and then to decode it again in your own TV or set top box. Typically 6-7 seconds. Internet streaming takes almost a minute.

 

The broadcast is as much live as it can be with modern digital technology.

 

That sounds about right.

When Test match cricket went to Sky my neighbour continued to do the old listen on the radio and watch on TV trick and there was a definite delay on TV. 

Also during the TDF this year I had it playing on my PC in one room and on TV in another and the PC was behind by maybe 30 secs.

When I'm streaming football on my PC I have to turn off any other media, minute by minute commentary, goal alerts etc. in case I am told of a goal by a BBC Sports update.

All of this is fine but what really gets my goat is BT sport sound going out of sync with the picture enough to hear the crowds reaction to a shot before I have seen the shot being taken. Rage.

Edited by Thursday, 31 July 2018 - 00:27.

[BRG]

Ah, 21st century problems.....

[lamo]

Around 50 seconds delayed.

So if you are at the track, you could potentially beat the bookies with in-play betting if you are very very quick?

Edited by lamo, 31 July 2018 - 20:33.

[OO7]

It's 6-7 seconds behind Live Timing, but this is probably broadcast latency more than anything.

I'm pretty sure you can hear Horner say it if you listen carefully. It's masked by the commotion of Brundle/Croft.

Yes, it was definitely there.  "F$%*"

[F1 Mike]

It's not delayed it's pretty much in line with other satellite broadcasts of the race

[Dolph]

I remember vividly watching Greg Moore lose his life on live TV - they purposely never showed a replay of the crash if I remember correctly as I think they knew it was bad. Of course you can watch it on youtube over and over if you want, though I don't know why you'd want to...

Trust me- I'm a conservative, and the in car radio doesn't bother me at all

I remember it as if they did show replays.

[Dolph]

I always thought the picture and commentary are out of sync to give the commentators time to come up with reactiins. Sometimes they are so fast with their comments it is a fraction of a second ahead of action.

[pacificquay]

It’s not artificially delayed and it’s not out or sync.

The only delay is the satellite transmission chain.

You could hear Horner say “****” when the crash happened, that’s why they apologised.

[Kalmake]

There hasn't been live TV since the analogue days. Digital TV takes a few seconds to code the signal and then to decode it again in your own TV or set top box. Typically 6-7 seconds. Internet streaming takes almost a minute.

 

The broadcast is as much live as it can be with modern digital technology.

Internet streaming doesn't have to have a long delay. For example Twitch can be down to couple of seconds these days. It is just easier/cheaper to have a long delay.

[Ali_G]

I remember vividly watching Greg Moore lose his life on live TV - they purposely never showed a replay of the crash if I remember correctly as I think they knew it was bad. Of course you can watch it on youtube over and over if you want, though I don't know why you'd want to...

Trust me- I'm a conservative, and the in car radio doesn't bother me at all

They showed numerous replays at the time.

[Jordan44]

British GP was only 10 seconds behind on Sky via satellite.

Edited by Jordan44, 02 August 2018 - 07:51.

[RedBaron]

I'm still waiting for the Hungarian GP to air on Sky Go such is the delay.

[Andy35]

I'm still waiting for the Hungarian GP to air on Sky Go such is the delay.

 

 

That's my beef with Sky GO,  the delay over the satellite feed.  As mentioned above from about 5-10 seconds it is delayed to approximately 1 minute.

 

I raised this with Sky who reported it was due to technical reasons,  which is baloney because

 

1. When first started Sky GO F1 was delayed 20s or so.

2. Illegal streams can put steal Sky F1  and STILL put it on quicker than Sky GO..... depending on stream.

 

This delay is dreadful for QP  and for when in the race on atlasf1  IRC channel when everyone finds out before you when Kimi has let Seb overtake him again.

[absinthedude]

I thought that it was standard practise to delay "live" TV by 15 seconds or so ever since that American newsreader shot herself in the head live on TV in the 1970s.

 

Though subsequent events in motorsport do leave me to doubt it, I understood that particular incident lead to an industry wide understanding that a delay was necessary. In the case of motorsport, you would probably want to cut the feed if something especially nasty happened such as a person walking across the track being hit, or a car going into marshals or spectators. That said, incidents such as Ralf Schumacher "we effed up" and Neil Horan prancing across Silverstone being broadcast certainly cast doubt. Equally, until quite recently a delayed broadcast would have been obvious even with professional 2 inch video tape...in the analogue era a recording wasn't quite as crisp as a live broadcast. Now everything is HD and can theoretically be recorded perfectly....though often lower bandwidth is used than ideal and even studio recordings have artefacts in them. 

 

I find that digital TV is a few seconds behind analogue radio when BBC Radio 5 Live is broadcasting a race, but that's just the nature of digital TV. If they are able to bleep words out of live TV, I'd assume that there's some algorithm functioning to do it automatically.