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[statman]

F1 might be heading into the summer break, but first there's some testing to be done at the Hungaroring.

 

Line-up:

 

Tuesday 31 July

Mercedes: George Russell

Ferrari: Antonio Giovinazzi

Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo

Renault: Nico Hulkenberg

Force India: Nicholas Latifi

McLaren: Lando Norris

Toro Rosso: Brendon Hartley

Sauber: Marcus Ericsson

Williams: Oliver Rowland

Pirelli: Sean Gelael

Haas are not taking part.

 

Wednesday 1 August

Mercedes: George Russell

Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen

Red Bull: Jake Dennis

Renault: Artem Markelov

Force India: Nikita Mazepin

McLaren: Lando Norris

Toro Rosso: Sean Gelael

Sauber: Antonio Giovinazzi

Williams: Robert Kubica

Haas are not taking part.

Edited by statman, 31 July 2018 - 08:19.

[eREr]

2019 style front wing on FI:

[JeePee]

That's one huge m*********er

[smr]

[statman]

indeed, the big news is of course the testing of the new 2019 frontwing:

 

 

The more simplified frontwing is meant to solve the "dirty air" problem, in order for cars behind to follow the car in front. More technical info here: https://forums.autos...tics/?p=8462944

[CoolBreeze]

Or they could just go back to the 1999 wings..

[noikeee]

Does that remind me of the 2009 BMW Sauber? It certainly does remind me of the 2009 BMW Sauber.



aka "the lawnmower".

[P123]

A step in the right direction. Still too big, and why not bring back the adjustable front wings... Plus get rid of all that sidepod clutter.

[string158]

Anyone know why Haas arent running?

[Will]

Any live timings?

[Yoshi]

Any live timings?

 

Times can be found here 

https://www.f1today....test-in-hungary

[statman]

lunch time

 

lap count, approximate:

 

1) Brendon Hartley, Toro Rosso, 94 laps

2) Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 76 laps

3) Nicholas Latifi, Force India, 66 laps

4) Sean Gelael, Toro Rosso (Pirelli), 66 laps

5) Antonio Giovinazzi, Ferrari, 66 laps

6) Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 63 laps

7) Nico Hulkenberg, Renault, 63 laps

8) Lando Norris, McLaren, 46 laps

9) Oliver Rowland, Williams, 43 laps

10) George Russell, Mercedes, 21 laps

Edited by statman, 31 July 2018 - 11:11.

[Paco]

Why no Haas. They will get feedback from Ferrari anyway, kind of a waste of money as they see it and will would prefer to spend the money on cfd. Plus, I do not believe next years entire package has really been set rules wise, so why bother if a couple significant bits are 100 percent set that could effect next years design philosophy.

Edited by Paco, 31 July 2018 - 11:36.

[Pete_f1]

That front wing looks better! Bet the drivers can hardly tell all that crap has gone!

When's the Red Bull Honda running? 🤔🤣

[geralt]

Will be interesting to hear how much performance is affected by these front wings as well as if there was a noticeable improvement in following other cars

[Pete_f1]

Just seen a head on picture.

Ugh, why does it need to be so wide?

[PiperPa42]

Haas doesn’t have any 2019 components ready to test. And they have got a lot of data from the last 2 months they need to study further. They decided that was a better use of their resources.

[SenorSjon]

indeed, the big news is of course the testing of the new 2019 frontwing:



The more simplified frontwing is meant to solve the "dirty air" problem, in order for cars behind to follow the car in front. More technical info here: https://forums.autos...tics/?p=8462944

Looking at this, I bet the reason was 'more sponsor space'. And then you see teams running with blank rear wings.

[jules153]

Just seen a head on picture.

Ugh, why does it need to be so wide?

 Indeed, I see more punctures from close racing with these huge things!

[Zava]

if the problem was outwash front wings, why not have front wings onyl as wide as where the inner wall of the tyres are?

[Traction]

if the problem was outwash front wings, why not have front wings onyl as wide as where the inner wall of the tyres are?

 

it would look shitter than $h1t

Edited by Traction, 31 July 2018 - 13:48.

[Exb]

Why no Haas. They will get feedback from Ferrari anyway, kind of a waste of money as they see it and will would prefer to spend the money on cfd. Plus, I do not believe next years entire package has really been set rules wise, so why bother if a couple significant bits are 100 percent set that could effect next years design philosophy.

They also have no driver to run. Both Kevin and Romain did the 2 days in Barcelona so they have to run a rookie with less than 2 GPs and the current reserve driver who would meet that criteria is err, banned at the moment from GP2 so it wouldn't exactly look good if he was driving in the F1 test. I guess they may have run Giovinazzi but he is already driving both days, no idea who else they would use if they deemed it to be worth running?

[Hellenic tifosi]

They also have no driver to run. Both Kevin and Romain did the 2 days in Barcelona so they have to run a rookie with less than 2 GPs and the current reserve driver who would meet that criteria is err, banned at the moment from GP2 so it wouldn't exactly look good if he was driving in the F1 test. I guess they may have run Giovinazzi but he is already driving both days, no idea who else they would use if they deemed it to be worth running?

Someone else from Ferrari’s young driver program?

[JeePee]

it would look shitter than $h1t

It would not. Just look at 2008 and before.

[Dratini]

I wonder what Renault will do if RBR lose an engine here on day 1.

[taz]

Someone else from Ferrari’s young driver program?

Alesi, Fuoco, Armstrong, Illot to name a few of them, there are more

[Zava]

It would not. Just look at 2008 and before.

exactly, that's what I had in mind.

[CL16]

exactly, that's what I had in mind.

I assume the compromise of pushing them through next year was keeping/increasing the width.

Hopefully we get smaller wings again in 2021

[xtremeclock]

Great lap from Gio.

 

HyperSoft 

 

+

 

Spec3, stress test ?

 

Edited by xtremeclock, 31 July 2018 - 14:44.

[Anja]

They also have no driver to run. Both Kevin and Romain did the 2 days in Barcelona so they have to run a rookie with less than 2 GPs and the current reserve driver who would meet that criteria is err, banned at the moment from GP2 so it wouldn't exactly look good if he was driving in the F1 test. I guess they may have run Giovinazzi but he is already driving both days, no idea who else they would use if they deemed it to be worth running?

 

 

If they wanted to test it wouldn't be a problem to find drivers. Plenty of young drivers waiting for a chance, some even could pay for such an opportunity. It's not like it absolutely has to be someone already associated with them. 

[Dr. Austin]

2019 style front wing on FI:

 

 

 

Much better, but I think they also need to get right of all the rest of the tacked on aero stuff. Clean the cars up and they will look better and create less turbulence.

[ConsiderAndGo]

1:15.648. now for GIO.

 

Impressive.

[TomNokoe]

Great times from Ferrari

[statman]

not mentioned here, but Gelael won't return to the track:

 

Red flag at the Hungaroring, and it appears that Sean Gelael has gone off in the Toro Rosso during his Pirelli tyre test.

We're hearing that it was at the high-speed Turn 11.

 

and we had some rain:

 

[Garndell]

not mentioned here, but Gelael won't return to the track:

 

Red flag at the Hungaroring, and it appears that Sean Gelael has gone off in the Toro Rosso during his Pirelli tyre test.

We're hearing that it was at the high-speed Turn 11.

 

and we had some rain:

 

 

While also looking like the engine has gone bang for an added bonus.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Boy that nose is FUGLY!

[statman]

Laps completed day 1:

 

1) Brendon Hartley, Toro Rosso - 126 laps

2) Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull - 125 laps

3) Sean Gelael, Pirelli tyre test (Toro Rosso) - 109 laps

4) Lando Norris, McLaren - 107 laps

5) Nicholas Latifi, Force India - 103 laps

6) Antonio Giovinazzi, Ferrari - 96 laps

7) Marcus Ericsson, Sauber - 95 laps

8) Oliver Rowland, Williams - 65 laps

9) Nico Hulkenberg, Renault - 63 laps

10) George Russell, Mercedes - 49 laps

[CL16]

That time from Gio, Ferrari really need to upgrade their drivers.

[Dr. Austin]

While also looking like the engine has gone bang for an added bonus.

 

McLaren nostalgic for Honda reliability.

[thegamer23]

Impressive lap time from Giovinazzi. 

The kid deserves a drive as soon as possibile. 

[Vesuvius]

That time from Gio, Ferrari really need to upgrade their drivers.

Lol, yeah right. Hypersoft tyres, lowish fuel load and better condition than on race weekend and PU that you can stress as much as you want.

[SenorSjon]

it would look shitter than $h1t

Anything preceding 2009 was like that.
---
Problem: car front aero suffers in close quarters.
Solution: add more front wing.

Anyone else sees the problem in that?

[pup]

Well at least there's more room on the wing for sponsors that don't exist.

[w1Y]

why so little running by merc?

[as65p]

That time from Gio, Ferrari really need to upgrade their drivers.

 

that was precisely my first thought. 

 

More serious, it does show what a rocket they have ATM, and supposedly with the added bonus of being easy to set up and drive. Or alternatively. Giovinazzi is the new SeFaPro*.

 

*Senna, Fangio Prost combined

Edited by as65p, 31 July 2018 - 19:26.

[ferenc_k]

Actually it is a very good idea to let Giovinazzi to drive the Ferrari today and Sauber tomorrow. 

If the weather will be roughly the same there will be a very good base for comparison and simulator fine tuning. 

[ferenc_k]

I was there today and Gio was really glued to the track really good to watch him drive around.

[abc]

that was precisely my first thought. 

 

More serious, it does show what a rocket they have ATM, and supposedly with the added bonus of being easy to set up and drive. Or alternatively. Giovinazzi is the new SeFaPro*.

 

*Senna, Fangio Prost combined

Or Vettel would probably go into 14's in Q3 when he did 16,1 in FP 3 and that on US. and Mercedes would be round 2 tenths off.

Its like kindergarten here lately 

[GrumpyYoungMan]

why so little running by merc?

Probably PU/car problems?

Maybe they are trying something PU related and it didn’t work/caused problems?

[Dalton007]

That time from Gio, Ferrari really need to upgrade their drivers.

 

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