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#1 Lucster

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:09

This coming from Christian Horner, team principal of Red Bull, the most toxic team on the F1 grid... Just ask Vergne, Kiviat, Hartley and all the others before them who got burned by this team... Horner and Marko have been excoriating Renault ever since their 4-year winning streak with Renault power has come to an end, very publicly, at every turn and in the most despicable manner. If Honda thought that Alonso's comments about their poor engine were tough, wait until Horner and Marko start pointing the finger at them come the second half of next season...

 

What a sad joke and what a sad state of affairs when the top teams in a sport supposed to be about racing the fastest and most technologically advanced cars connive to block one of the best drivers, if not the best ever, from competing for wins. Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull are populated by a bunch of w-a-n-k-e-r-s who call themselves "racers". These three teams receive more money than the rest in F1 and they have an obligation to provide fans with the best possible racing. Mercedes and Ferrari in particular are failing miserably to fulfil their obligations to F1 fans by insisting in lining up a number one and number two drivers, rather than two top drivers.

 

James Hunt was a great driver on a good day but he was also a drunk and a stone head. But he was British... Lewis Hamilton is an underhanded little whiner who constantly points the finger elsewhere and harbors conspiracy theories whenever things are not going his way. But he's British. Schumacher (my he come out of his vegetative state one day) was a cheat and an SOB. But he's German. Alonso is one of the best drivers to grace F1, if not the absolute best, but he's "a bit chaotic". And he's a Spaniard...  

 

Renault and Mclaren did not hesitate to rehire Alonso when they had the chance and Carlos Ghosn stated last year that he would rehire him again if his team was able to provide him with a competitive car. Ron Dennis honed up to losing the plot in 2007 and rehired Alonso, stating in the process that Hamilton certainly played a role in the events of 2007. Zack Brown has had nothing but praise for Alonso and has stated publicly on many occasions that he hopes Alonso stays at McLaren for years to come. Alonso drove for Ferrari for 5 years, during which the team was utterly unable to provide him with a championship winning car. Everyone with an ounce of honesty will admit that Alonso did miracles with the Ferrari car as he's doing with the McLaren car and as he's done with every single car that he raced with. Gino Rosato, who comes from the town next to where I live, has stated many times to common friends that Alonso is the best driver ever to race for Ferrari, including Schumacher and Vettel. He even stated that he has serious doubts that Ferrari will win a driver championship with Vettel unless they provide him with a car that is substantially faster and better than the competition because he makes too many mistakes under pressure. Ferrari wanted Alonso to stay for two more years when he decided to leave the team at the end of 2014. Little tyrant Marchionne (may his soul rest in peace) vowed to never rehire Alonso after the latter left the team because he did not accept that Alonso leave Ferrari when he was taking over the team's destiny. Ferrari has not won any championship since 2007, even with Vettel sitting in a competitive car in 2017 and 2018. I'll bet you that he will fall apart once again this year and just hand Hamilton another easy championship.

 

There is an element of racism in this constant criticism of Alonso, despite his achievements, his thirst for racing and winning, his work ethics and his consistency.  This is utter b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t and this is hurting F1.



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#2 jonpollak

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:12

Stop sugar coating the situation.

#3 jstrains

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:12

Agreed (y)

#4 DoodoolTalla

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:13

*what a yoke



#5 doc83

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:15

This Alonso fanboyism is really getting out of hand

#6 EthanM

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:16

Alonso thread #93048290348029348

 

can't you guys just bundle it all in one?



#7 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:16

This Alonso fanboyism is really getting out of hand

 

It will be over soon. 

Right now it's a yoke. 


Edited by LuckyStrike1, 09 August 2018 - 15:16.


#8 PistolPete

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:17

Well... Its all about business and optimising results. If RB don't think Alonso is right man for their team because he would cause chaos then they have every right to say so. Teams know a lot more than we do about how fast and easy drivers are to work with. 



#9 Diablobb81

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:17

Bla bla bla in every thread.

#10 JonnyJ

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:17

Yeah I reckon you've nailed it there mate. They don't want him because of his arbitrary place of birth.

That's that sorted, next!

#11 Mosrite

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:18

Alonso is not to Horner or F1 community what he is to you. He is not the best driver ever to most people and Horner very clearly stated why they would be out of their mind to sing someone like Alonso when they already have Verstappen. Besides, I'm sure Alonso doesn't need his ass handed back to him again by another rookie yet again



#12 StanBarrett2

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:18

This coming from Christian Horner, team principal of Red Bull, the most toxic team on the F1 grid... Just ask Vergne, Kiviat, Hartley and all the others before them who got burned by this team... Horner and Marko have been excoriating Renault ever since their 4-year winning streak with Renault power has come to an end, very publicly, at every turn and in the most despicable manner. If Honda thought that Alonso's comments about their poor engine were tough, wait until Horner and Marko start pointing the finger at them come the second half of next season...

 

What a sad joke and what a sad state of affairs when the top teams in a sport supposed to be about racing the fastest and most technologically advanced cars connive to block one of the best drivers, if not the best ever, from competing for wins. Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull are populated by a bunch of w-a-n-k-e-r-s who call themselves "racers". These three teams receive more money than the rest in F1 and they have an obligation to provide fans with the best possible racing. Mercedes and Ferrari in particular are failing miserably to fulfil their obligations to F1 fans by insisting in lining up a number one and number two drivers, rather than two top drivers.

 

James Hunt was a great driver on a good day but he was also a drunk and a stone head. But he was British... Lewis Hamilton is an underhanded little whiner who constantly points the finger elsewhere and harbors conspiracy theories whenever things are not going his way. But he's British. Schumacher (my he come out of his vegetative state one day) was a cheat and an SOB. But he's German. Alonso is one of the best drivers to grace F1, if not the absolute best, but he's "a bit chaotic". And he's a Spaniard...  

 

Renault and Mclaren did not hesitate to rehire Alonso when they had the chance and Carlos Ghosn stated last year that he would rehire him again if his team was able to provide him with a competitive car. Ron Dennis honed up to losing the plot in 2007 and rehired Alonso, stating in the process that Hamilton certainly played a role in the events of 2007. Zack Brown has had nothing but praise for Alonso and has stated publicly on many occasions that he hopes Alonso stays at McLaren for years to come. Alonso drove for Ferrari for 5 years, during which the team was utterly unable to provide him with a championship winning car. Everyone with an ounce of honesty will admit that Alonso did miracles with the Ferrari car as he's doing with the McLaren car and as he's done with every single car that he raced with. Gino Rosato, who comes from the town next to where I live, has stated many times to common friends that Alonso is the best driver ever to race for Ferrari, including Schumacher and Vettel. He even stated that he has serious doubts that Ferrari will win a driver championship with Vettel unless they provide him with a car that is substantially faster and better than the competition because he makes too many mistakes under pressure. Ferrari wanted Alonso to stay for two more years when he decided to leave the team at the end of 2014. Little tyrant Marchionne (may his soul rest in peace) vowed to never rehire Alonso after the latter left the team because he did not accept that Alonso leave Ferrari when he was taking over the team's destiny. Ferrari has not won any championship since 2007, even with Vettel sitting in a competitive car in 2017 and 2018. I'll bet you that he will fall apart once again this year and just hand Hamilton another easy championship.

 

There is an element of racism in this constant criticism of Alonso, despite his achievements, his thirst for racing and winning, his work ethics and his consistency.  This is utter b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t and this is hurting F1.

You are not even supposed to start a new thread.

And WTF is Gino Rosato ?



#13 Celloman

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:21

This coming from Christian Horner, team principal of Red Bull, the most toxic team on the F1 grid... Just ask Vergne, Kiviat, Hartley and all the others before them who got burned by this team... Horner and Marko have been excoriating Renault ever since their 4-year winning streak with Renault power has come to an end, very publicly, at every turn and in the most despicable manner. If Honda thought that Alonso's comments about their poor engine were tough, wait until Horner and Marko start pointing the finger at them come the second half of next season...

And exactly because they have Marko and a... ehrm... strict management of their drivers, I don't think it would work out too well with Alonso, who probably wants certain liberties and has certain demands.

 


There is an element of racism in this constant criticism of Alonso, despite his achievements, his thirst for racing and winning, his work ethics and his consistency.  This is utter b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t and this is hurting F1.

No there's not. Racism is discrimination directed against someone due to their race. Spaniards aren't a race separate from other Europeans.


Edited by Celloman, 09 August 2018 - 15:23.


#14 kosmos

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:24

That's why they tried to hire him many times after spygate, that's how much Horner's word is worth, absolutely nothing.



#15 Lucster

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:27

Listen, I started watching F1 since the mid-1970's. The racing in F1 since the start of the current engine specs has been anything but great. Hamilton has been racking up championships year after year with a car that is so much better than the competition that it takes away any merit to his wins. And he managed to lose to Rosberg in 2016... That is the only competition that Hamilton has had since joining Mercedes: the second car in his own team that Mercedes refuse to fill with a top driver. Two car races for 3 years until last year, with Ferrari finally coming up with something close to a championship car last year and a real challenger this year. But rest easy, Vettel will find a way to take himself out of the running once again by making bonehead mistakes one after the other. 

 

I'm not "married" to any driver in F1. All I know is that real wheel to wheel racing has been minimal for too many years and, as an F1 fan, I want to see more. Alonso is one of the greats and I want to see what he can do in a competitive car against these w-a-n-k-e-r-s. 



#16 7MGTEsup

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:27

Maybe he should apply to be a British citizen and all would be forgiven?



#17 7MGTEsup

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:29

Listen, I started watching F1 since the mid-1970's. The racing in F1 since the start of the current engine specs has been anything but great. Hamilton has been racking up championships year after year with a car that is so much better than the competition that it takes away any merit to his wins. And he managed to lose to Rosberg in 2016... That is the only competition that Hamilton has had since joining Mercedes: the second car in his own team that Mercedes refuse to fill with a top driver. Two car races for 3 years until last year, with Ferrari finally coming up with something close to a championship car last year and a real challenger this year. But rest easy, Vettel will find a way to take himself out of the running once again by making bonehead mistakes one after the other. 

 

I'm not "married" to any driver in F1. All I know is that real wheel to wheel racing has been minimal for too many years and, as an F1 fan, I want to see more. Alonso is one of the greats and I want to see what he can do in a competitive car against these w-a-n-k-e-r-s. 

 

You're "not married to any driver in F1" but all but Alonso are w-a-n-k-e-r-s? 



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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:30

This coming from Christian Horner, team principal of Red Bull, the most toxic team on the F1 grid... Just ask Vergne, Kiviat, Hartley and all the others before them who got burned by this team... Horner and Marko have been excoriating Renault ever since their 4-year winning streak with Renault power has come to an end, very publicly, at every turn and in the most despicable manner. If Honda thought that Alonso's comments about their poor engine were tough, wait until Horner and Marko start pointing the finger at them come the second half of next season...

 

What a sad joke and what a sad state of affairs when the top teams in a sport supposed to be about racing the fastest and most technologically advanced cars connive to block one of the best drivers, if not the best ever, from competing for wins. Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull are populated by a bunch of w-a-n-k-e-r-s who call themselves "racers". These three teams receive more money than the rest in F1 and they have an obligation to provide fans with the best possible racing. Mercedes and Ferrari in particular are failing miserably to fulfil their obligations to F1 fans by insisting in lining up a number one and number two drivers, rather than two top drivers.

 

James Hunt was a great driver on a good day but he was also a drunk and a stone head. But he was British... Lewis Hamilton is an underhanded little whiner who constantly points the finger elsewhere and harbors conspiracy theories whenever things are not going his way. But he's British. Schumacher (my he come out of his vegetative state one day) was a cheat and an SOB. But he's German. Alonso is one of the best drivers to grace F1, if not the absolute best, but he's "a bit chaotic". And he's a Spaniard...  

 

Renault and Mclaren did not hesitate to rehire Alonso when they had the chance and Carlos Ghosn stated last year that he would rehire him again if his team was able to provide him with a competitive car. Ron Dennis honed up to losing the plot in 2007 and rehired Alonso, stating in the process that Hamilton certainly played a role in the events of 2007. Zack Brown has had nothing but praise for Alonso and has stated publicly on many occasions that he hopes Alonso stays at McLaren for years to come. Alonso drove for Ferrari for 5 years, during which the team was utterly unable to provide him with a championship winning car. Everyone with an ounce of honesty will admit that Alonso did miracles with the Ferrari car as he's doing with the McLaren car and as he's done with every single car that he raced with. Gino Rosato, who comes from the town next to where I live, has stated many times to common friends that Alonso is the best driver ever to race for Ferrari, including Schumacher and Vettel. He even stated that he has serious doubts that Ferrari will win a driver championship with Vettel unless they provide him with a car that is substantially faster and better than the competition because he makes too many mistakes under pressure. Ferrari wanted Alonso to stay for two more years when he decided to leave the team at the end of 2014. Little tyrant Marchionne (may his soul rest in peace) vowed to never rehire Alonso after the latter left the team because he did not accept that Alonso leave Ferrari when he was taking over the team's destiny. Ferrari has not won any championship since 2007, even with Vettel sitting in a competitive car in 2017 and 2018. I'll bet you that he will fall apart once again this year and just hand Hamilton another easy championship.

 

There is an element of racism in this constant criticism of Alonso, despite his achievements, his thirst for racing and winning, his work ethics and his consistency.  This is utter b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t and this is hurting F1.

 

Fernando is that you?



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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:31

That's why they tried to hire him many times after spygate, that's how much Horner's word is worth, absolutely nothing.

While I admit there is some fanboyism from Alonso camp, the other camp has been ignorant to say the least. He has been re-signed by two teams, whom as per some people he 'threw under the bus'. There were even rumors lately on Renault interested in him again, with Cyril stating he is interested but for long term contract. McLaren of course want to make him even happier (reference radio conversations) and keep him. It is ok when Ferrari and Mercedes don't want him (and RBR too now) considering the former two have top drivers already and do not want to replace their sensational wingmen, and RBR focused on Max.



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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:34

Well... Its all about business and optimising results. If RB don't think Alonso is right man for their team because he would cause chaos then they have every right to say so. Teams know a lot more than we do about how fast and easy drivers are to work with. 

 That's the problem with today's F1: all about business results and not racing...



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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:35

This. Mercedes and Ferrari have their number ones and wingmen, RBR was expecting a supporting role from Daniel for Max, but Horner did not say a clear NO on Alonso...

 

Did ever Mateschitz say anything on Alonso?


Edited by jstrains, 09 August 2018 - 15:37.


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:38

Bit of a toys out the pram topic.... Everybody is rubbish, apart from Alonso. The whole world is out to get him, because he's Spanish. Grrr Hamilton and grrr the British (an hey, throw in ze Germans and Vettel too!). It's like being back in 2007. :)

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:40

While I admit there is some fanboyism from Alonso camp, the other camp has been ignorant to say the least. He has been re-signed by two teams, whom as per some people he 'threw under the bus'. There were even rumors lately on Renault interested in him again, with Cyril stating he is interested but for long term contract. McLaren of course want to make him even happier (reference radio conversations) and keep him. It is ok when Ferrari and Mercedes don't want him (and RBR too now) considering the former two have top drivers already and do not want to replace their sensational wingmen, and RBR focused on Max.

 

He has been resigned by two teams on a downward spiral with no access to big names aside from Alonso. Renault employed Fisi and Kova for 2007 and score barely a quarter the points Ferrari/McLaren did. McLaren had opted out of Merc engines, were losing sponsors on a daily basis and had an untested engine deal.

 

So yeah, ignorant would be an exaggeration. Alonso was resigned by two teams who had no access to any L1 talent.



#24 Lucster

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:41

While I admit there is some fanboyism from Alonso camp, the other camp has been ignorant to say the least. He has been re-signed by two teams, whom as per some people he 'threw under the bus'. There were even rumors lately on Renault interested in him again, with Cyril stating he is interested but for long term contract. McLaren of course want to make him even happier (reference radio conversations) and keep him. It is ok when Ferrari and Mercedes don't want him (and RBR too now) considering the former two have top drivers already and do not want to replace their sensational wingmen, and RBR focused on Max.

 

I don't know how you can call me an "Alonso fanboy". It's the very first time that I post in this forum!!! Anyone in here denying that Alonso is part of the top 3 drivers in F1 is just that, a fanboy of someone else. Come on, now. I find it quite amazing how fanboys of certain other F1 drivers are always very quick to rehash old clichés about Alonso everytime a seat opens up at a top team. It is so systematic as to raise suspicion. And last, those who don't know who Gino Rosato is obviously don't know much about F1...



#25 Mosrite

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:41

It could very well be Alonso writing that post, the bitterness is spot on

But you are way out of line for bringing racism into it. It's a free world, no one has to like Alonso or anyone else for that matter. There is absolutely no racism with Alonso and his inability to get a top drive



#26 SmallHorsey

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:41

I see where this is going - street protests! We should all take up banners and march until Alonso is installed as number one driver in a top team. And every post from now on should contain at least one reference to Alonso being the bestest ever. Then the forum should be renamed Alonsosport.

#27 BJHF1

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:42

Can you blame Horner? I mean I'm a big Alonso fan, but he basically crapped on Honda and helped shoved them out the back door at Mclaren :lol: Sometimes you dig your own grave.



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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:43

Bit of a toys out the pram topic.... Everybody is rubbish, apart from Alonso. The whole world is out to get him, because he's Spanish. Grrr Hamilton and grrr the British (an hey, throw in ze Germans and Vettel too!). It's like being back in 2007. :)

 

That is an accurate analogy.   :up:



#29 SophieB

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Posted 09 August 2018 - 15:46

Horner’s remarks are being discussed in a bunch of other threads, including this one:
https://forums.autos...d/#entry8473722
(Which tbh, I was vaguely wondering if that was an Alonso thread too much lately, but whatever)

Also, we do ask people to contribute to other people’s threads (30post) to get a feel of the place before grabbing the mic.