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Edited by lustigson, 27 August 2018 - 07:16.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 08:47
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing
Edited by lustigson, 27 August 2018 - 07:16.
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Posted 28 November 2016 - 09:07
Scuderia Ferrari
Ferrari SF18-H – Ferrari 0625. Sebastian Vettel (out of contract)7. Kimi Räikkönen (out of contract)Renault Sport F1 TeamRenault R.S.18 – Renault R.E.1827. Nico Hülkenberg (on a 2-year contract with 1-year option)30. Jolyon Palmer (out of contract)Sauber F1 TeamSauber C37 – Ferrari 0619. Marcus Ericsson (out of contract)—
I don't think Kimi is doing another year. Perez is a possible driver at Ferrari.
Palmer and Renault for a third season is also very unlikey.
Sauber is using Honda engines 2018 onwards.
So I don't think that will be a very interesting silly-season.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 09:08
With the 2016 Formula One World Championship done and dusted, and the 2017 grid confirmed bar 3 pay-driver seats, let's look a bit further ahead, still, to the 2018 Formula One season.
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Mercedes F1 W09 Hybrid – Mercedes PU107D Hybrid44. Lewis Hamilton (contract until '18)6. Nico Rosberg (contract until '18)Red Bull RacingRed Bull Racing RB14 – TAG Heuer3. Daniel Ricciardo (contract until '18)33. Max Verstappen (contract until '19?)Scuderia FerrariFerrari SF18-H – Ferrari 0625. Sebastian Vettel (out of contract)7. Kimi Räikkönen (out of contract)Force India F1 TeamForce India VJM11 – Mercedes PU107D Hybrid11. Sergio Pérez (contracted?)31. Esteban Ocon (multi-year contract)Williams Martini RacingWilliams FW41 – Mercedes PU107D Hybrid77. Valtteri Bottas (confirmed)—. Lance Stroll (confirmed)McLaren Honda F1 TeamMcLaren MP4-32 – Honda RA618H14. Fernando Alonso (out of contract)47. Stoffel Vandoorne (on a long-term contract)22. Jenson Button (contracted to team for '18, but unlikely)Renault Sport F1 TeamRenault R.S.18 – Renault R.E.1827. Nico Hülkenberg (on a 2-year contract with 1-year option)30. Jolyon Palmer (out of contract)Scuderia Toro RossoToro Rosso STR13 – Renault R.E.1855. Carlos Sainz (confirmed)26. Daniil Kvyat (confirmed)Haas F1 TeamHaas VF-18 – Ferrari 0628. Romain Grosjean (out of contract)20. Kevin Magnussen (out of contract?)Sauber F1 TeamSauber C37 – Ferrari 0619. Marcus Ericsson (out of contract)—Manor Racing MRT (new investor for 2017 coming in)MRT MRT07 – Mercedes PU107D Hybrid——Bold+red = teamBold+grey = car/engine brand, type designationBold+blue = confirmedBold = 2017 season driverRegular = rumored
Magnussen is confirmed to have a two year deal with Haas.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 09:47
Kyat confirmed for 2018?!I must have missed it...
Posted 28 November 2016 - 10:15
Posted 28 November 2016 - 10:17
I'll leave this one given that this OP can be updated as the thread develops.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 10:20
I know both Mercedes and both Red Bull drivers are contracted for 2018, but I wouldn't be surprised to see departures at either team depending on how next season pans out. Hamilton especially may get frustrated if things don't go his way, and it remains to be seen if Red Bull can keep both drivers happy long term while (hopefully!) having to handle situations strategically at times to try and win the WCC and WDC titles.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 10:22
Obviously the big talking point will be the future of Hamilton. All season relationships with Mercedes have been tense - whilst I don't think they would even think about sacking him or letting him go without a fight, if he doesn't want to be there then they can't do much.
I would put money on him sounding out McLaren to replace Alonso (who I think will leave 2017) if Honda make big steps next year now the darn tokens are gone. I can see him wanting to be the one who brought the title back to them after their fallow years. The changes at the top of McLaren will smooth his return.
Edited by Kristian, 28 November 2016 - 10:23.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 13:08
Edited by vonTrips, 28 November 2016 - 13:09.
Posted 28 November 2016 - 15:37
Magnussen is also at a 2 year contract with Haas.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:08
Thanks for the replies to my list. Apparently I had made a couple of errors, but I think I have now fixed them.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:10
Would love to see Saniz taking Kimi's seat in 2018. Could see that happening, too, as he has no hope of a RB seat within the next 5 years.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:15
Edited by Ivanhoe, 29 November 2016 - 11:15.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:17
Or Carlos is a serious candidat for Ferrari
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:29
Atm Ferrari is the crux of the matter
Once they announce the drivers, others will settle to their places as well
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:32
Either Ricciardo or Max might be serious candidates for a Ferrari seat in 2018, which would mean a seat becomes available for Carlos at RB
Absolutely no chance. They'll both be at RB for some time.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:33
Best would be to wait till the start of 2017, to see how the performance of teams and also driver line-ups start shaping up. These factors will influence silly season heavily and in a way we don't see it right now. For example Perez vs Ocon - how will they look like against each other? It will influence their reputations and how attractive they are to teams. Alonso v Vandoorne will be quite significant as well.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:37
For 2018 i think the Ferrari seats will be the main factors deciding who is going where.
Likely drivers contending for the Ferrari seats:
Sainz - he will not drive a 4th year at TR
Grosjean - is already doing his prayers before going to sleep for a few years to end up at Ferrari
Perez - many rumours in the past years
Bottas - many rumours in the past years
Current drivers
Vettel - needs to perform very strong in 2017 to keep his Ferrari dream alive. Without a win - for the second year - he'll have to go elsewhere
Raikkonen - bwoah, who knows, he seems to have more lives that a cat. Yet another 1-year stop-gap solution?
Any of the '16/'17 rookies?
Stroll was part of the Ferrari academy, needs to have a stellar 2017 for anything to happen.
Vandoorne/Ocon/Wehrlein have long term commitments with McLaren/Renault/Merc
Though maybe the 2017 wdc challenge will upset team relations within RB and either DR or MV will leave, despite contracts being in place. Same for Mercedes LH and NR.
I don't think it is likely to see Alonso back at Ferrari, and he is a questionmark to even participate in 2018.
Sainz: proper chance if not promoted by RB. I also see him trying his luck at Renault in '18.
Gorsjean: has had quite a few seasons in F1. I don't see him as Ferrari material.
Perez: loose cannon.
Bottas: very outside chance. When Williams shines less, his star also dims. He is expected to beat Stroll.
Vettel: perhaps a swap with Hamilton? Especially after both have had their meltdowns to be in '17?
Kimi: I wouldn't be suprised if he stays.
Atm Ferrari is the crux of the matter
Once they announce the drivers, others will settle to their places as well
We'll have to wait until Monza then. They usually announce changes there.
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Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:38
Ferrari waits RB drivers or Ham. They want one of big names. They either continue with Kimi or get contracted one of them.
Perez...well he has a very tiny chance if only Kimi does prefers to retire and none of top drivers become available. ( considering Vettel will renew his contract)
Posted 29 November 2016 - 11:39
Sainz: proper chance if not promoted by RB. I also see him trying his luck at Renault in '18.
Gorsjean: has had quite a few seasons in F1. I don't see him as Ferrari material.
Perez: loose cannon.
Bottas: very outside chance. When Williams shines less, his star also dims. He is expected to beat Stroll.
Vettel: perhaps a swap with Hamilton? Especially after both have had their meltdowns to be in '17?
Kimi: I wouldn't be suprised if he stays.
We'll have to wait until Monza then. They usually announce changes there.
How is Perez a loose cannon? The guy who has been classified in 39/40 last races and has had the least incidents with other cars in 2016?
Posted 29 November 2016 - 13:10
No new drivers in 2 seasons time?... One of Leclerc, Giovinazzi, Gasly, Norris, etc will surely be there.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 16:22
No new drivers in 2 seasons time?... One of Leclerc, Giovinazzi, Gasly, Norris, etc will surely be there.
Posted 29 November 2016 - 16:44
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Posted 29 November 2016 - 16:48
Any of the '16/'17 rookies?
Stroll was part of the Ferrari academy, needs to have a stellar 2017 for anything to happen.
Vandoorne/Ocon/Wehrlein have long term commitments with McLaren/Renault/Merc
Though maybe the 2017 wdc challenge will upset team relations within RB and either DR or MV will leave, despite contracts being in place. Same for Mercedes LH and NR.
I don't think it is likely to see Alonso back at Ferrari, and he is a questionmark to even participate in 2018.
I do not think you will see Pascal anywhere near Mercedes ;)
And Kimi might got another shot if the car next year is good(which i really believe)
Posted 29 November 2016 - 16:51
Bottas doesnt have multi-year contract with Williams, only for 2017. (unless Im completely wrong )
Edited by Balnazzard, 29 November 2016 - 16:53.
Posted 30 November 2016 - 06:22
If you want to test your skills predicting the 2018 grid, today is the final day to submit your predictions for the 2018 Silly Season Trophy.
Posted 30 November 2016 - 10:33
How is Perez a loose cannon? The guy who has been classified in 39/40 last races and has had the least incidents with other cars in 2016?
I posted too soon. I don't think Ferrari will take Perez. Yes, he has improved, but he is not in the extraordinary league of drivers that Ferrari desperatly needs.
Posted 01 December 2016 - 08:08
I think in GP2 next year, it's going to be a battle between Rowland and Deletraz (with Sirotkin in the background) to determine who gets Palmer's seat at Renault in 2018, as I don't see him sticking around and Ocon's out of the picture.
Edited by TyreSmokeDownshift, 01 December 2016 - 08:08.
Posted 01 December 2016 - 08:15
Renault will try to hire a established F1 driver. I'm 100 % certain.I think in GP2 next year, it's going to be a battle between Rowland and Deletraz (with Sirotkin in the background) to determine who gets Palmer's seat at Renault in 2018, as I don't see him sticking around and Ocon's out of the picture.
Posted 01 December 2016 - 09:04
Renault will try to hire a established F1 driver. I'm 100 % certain.
Posted 01 December 2016 - 13:24
Posted 01 December 2016 - 13:40
To what extent Renault can sign a top driver for 2018 depends on how they perform in 2017. It is not given that top drivers are lining up for a drive in 2018. One also need to consider that many things can happen among the top teams during 2017. For instance, what happens at Mercedes?
This years “looser” in terms of F1 seat may be Wehrlein. I believe/hope he gets a chance in 2018.
Edited by quickndirty, 01 December 2016 - 14:28.
Posted 01 December 2016 - 14:14
I think we will see Oliver Rowland to Renault in 2018
Grosjean to Ferrari
Edited by William Hunt, 01 December 2016 - 14:15.
Posted 01 December 2016 - 14:52
There just aren't enough seats available. We already have the spectacle of deserving drivers from feeder series sitting by the phone, plus we will have the 2016 crop of champions hoping for a testing role or scrambling for the occasional Friday drive. How sad to devote every fibre of your being (and perhaps every dollar of your family's income) to perfect your skills and persevere, only to be told that there ain't no openings at the show. F1 teams should be forced to expand to three cars and hire these deserving drivers.
Posted 01 December 2016 - 15:16
Why? There are other forms of professional motor sport. All these kids can do the math right from when they start karting. Do you think it's more extreme than other sports? How many thousands of athletes play college basketball or football in America and never see a professional contract?
Posted 01 December 2016 - 20:15
Other thread seems to have disappeared, so I will repeat myself. Ricciardo will move to Mclaren when he falls out with the Red Bull hierarchy, which will coincide with Alonso's retirement. This will happen either next year or more likely the year after.
Posted 02 December 2016 - 21:14
I like, how the 2018 silly season discussion got optimistically underway before the 2017 one was settled.
Posted 02 December 2016 - 23:59
F1 teams should be forced to expand to three cars and hire these deserving drivers.
No that would be terrible: imagine a top 6 of just 2 teams and a podium with drivers from just 1 team: nightmare scenario
What we do need is more teams and a grid of at least 26 cars
Posted 03 December 2016 - 20:18
Renault will try to hire a established F1 driver. I'm 100 % certain.
Perhaps Palmer will be an established F1 driver by then, His rate of improvement has been encouraging, and if he matches failed superstar Hulkenberg, he may be the best choice for Renault.
Posted 04 December 2016 - 00:07
As far as STR goes, what kind of season would Sette Camara have to have in GP2 to get his super license? I could easily see 2 seats open up there if Sainz moves up or away and Kvyat continues to not impress. Looking at his CV, he would have to finish 2nd in the overall standings, right?
I'm still trying to figure out this super license thing, but I don't believe Camara currently has any points despite being extremely impressive for an 18 yr old. Especially in Macau.
Would be interesting to see who STR would sign next to Gasly if both seats open up or who they would go after if Gasly takes a seat with a different team after not being promoted this year.
I think Camara has lots of talent, but I think finishing 2nd in GP2 driving for MP is impossible no matter who is driving. Rowland proved himself as one of the top youngsters in the ladder by finishing a mere 9th overall this year after scoring nearly more points (107) than MP has scored with all of its other drivers combined since joining GP2 in 2013 (149).
Is it possible that RBR will sign another junior driver that is a bit ahead of Camara on the super license ladder this off-season or will they take a wait and see approach and make a Verstappen like move if need be?
With STR being a dedicated Jr program that doesn't require a large checkbook to enter, I enjoy following their moves regarding Jr talent more so than any other team on the grid.
There's almost zero chance we will see Sainz and Kvyat driving for STR, in my worthless opinion. Maybe Gasly/Kvyat is a legitimate option, but I strongly doubt that too.
What do you think STR's driver lineup will be in 2018 with Sainz looking to move up, Kvyat getting long in the tooth to stick around, and while Gasly seems like a given, getting passed over for 2017 didn't seem to be a large vote of confidence in his talent?
Edited by Vettelari, 04 December 2016 - 00:27.
Posted 04 December 2016 - 00:18
What do you think STR's driver lineup will be in 2018 with Sainz looking to move up, Kvyat getting long in the tooth to stick around, and while Gasly seems like a given, getting passed over for 2017 didn't seem to be a large vote of confidence in his talent?
I am still trying to get my head around the latest 2017 silly season shenanigans, so 2018 is a bit tough for me to think about.
However, I do think Toro Rosso should definitely do something about their team. Because they can't justify having the same line-up (Sainz/Kvyat) yet again. They would need to reform their junior programme or something if the 'conveyor' got that stalled.
Posted 04 December 2016 - 00:19
I've read rumors saying Lando Norris might get picked up by RBR, but it looks like he is at 20 points towards a super license (right?).
With Norris rumored to be heading to European F3, he would need to finish in the top 3 in a Carlin to reach the 40 points requirement.
Would he be next in line at STR and jump Camara if he does get the 20 points needed?
Posted 04 December 2016 - 06:46
Posted 04 December 2016 - 20:08
I'm still trying to figure out this super license thing, but I don't believe Camara currently has any points despite being extremely impressive for an 18 yr old. Especially in Macau.
I think Camara has lots of talent
Extremely impressive and lots of talent? Are you his manager by any chance?
This guy is not impresssive at all. He is definition of extremely average.
Only time he was impressive was macau this year.
He wasn't impressive even in Brasil F3 where all his team-mates were better than him (Piquet Jr., Leist and Baptista).
He is 18 yr old, but also most drivers in F3 are aronud that age too. Stroll, Ilott, Russell are also 18. All his team-mates at Motopark were younger than him, and were more impressive. His team-mate Erikkson scored doble amount the points of Camara. And on top of that he was rookie while Camara was in 2nd year. If Camara was extremely impresssive, what is Eriksson then? New Senna?
Posted 04 December 2016 - 21:06
Mercedes: (Merc will give Wehrlein a year in the car, he will do okay but they will lose out to Red Bull in the constructors)
44. Lewis Hamilton (Hamilton will win the WDC but not by a huge margin ahead of the two Red Bull's)
14. Fernando Alonso (McLaren improve but not enough to win a race so Alonso jumps at Mercs offer)
Red Bull: (both drivers win several races but the competition between them allows Hamilton as outright #1 at Mercedes to win the title, Red Bull claim the constructors by a margin though)
3. Daniel Ricciardo
33. Max Verstappen
Ferrari: (Ferrari have another okay but disappointing by historical standards season, Vettel wins a couple of races but generally they are behind Red Bull and Hamilton for most of the year)
5. Sebastian Vettel (does much better in 2017, even wins a race or two, Ferrari offer him a new 2 year deal)
11. Sergio Perez (does his best in a less than impressive Force India, easily beats Occon and Ferrari pick him up to replace retiring Kimi)
McLaren: (they struggle for the early stages of the season but gradually overtake the other teams to be 4th in the constructors, Alonso picking up a podium toward the end of the year)
77. Valtteri Bottas (Williams have another medicore season, Valterri moves to the improving McLaren team)
TBA. Stoffel Vandoorne
Renault: (both drivers do okay, the team picks up fairly regular points finishes so keeps both on)
27. Nico Hulkenberg
30. Jolyon Palmer
Williams: (make a strong start to the season with Bottas picking up a podium or two, they fall behind Renault and McLaren as the season goes on though)
TBA. Lance Stroll (rookie of the season, outscores Bottas in the second part of the year when the car is less impressive)
55. Carlos Sainz Jnr (Toro Rosso release him after 3 years, Williams snap him up)
Force India: (Perez wrestles with a poor car to score almost all their points, Occon picks up a few towards the end of the year though)
31. Esteban Occon (despite struggling against Perez, Force India give him another year due to deal with Mercedes on engine costs)
94. Pascal Wehrlein (Mercedes want him to stay in the sport as he might improve in future, convince FI to take him for a year)
Toro Rosso: (struggle to adapt to the rule changes unlike their sister team, Sainz gets far more points that Kvyaat but both are let go at the end of the year)
TBA. Pierre Gasly (Red Bull junior gets his chance)
TBA. Sergio Camara (does well in GP2 and is given a chance after Toro Rosso decide to refresh their line up once more)
Manor: (the team makes progress and picks up a few points here and there)
TBA. Jordan King (outperforms Guttuirez to score a few points for the team in 2016)
21. Esteban Guttuirez (struggles but his sponsor money & Ferrari links get him another year)
Haas: (second season syndrome, the car is awful and struggles to get points, both drivers manage just one points finish all season so are kept on)
8. Romain Grosjean
20. Kevin Magnussen
Sauber: (easily the worst team, don't score a single point and rarely have both cars finish)
TBA. Pay Driver #1
TBA. Pay Driver #2
Posted 05 December 2016 - 15:29
In other news: there will be a French Grand Prix in 2018. Hurray for the Grandes Épreuves!
Posted 05 December 2016 - 15:38
lustigson, why don't you just edit the 1st post? otherwise it will be almost impossible to follow the thread.
Posted 05 December 2016 - 15:53
Have a feeling that this might Nando's final year. Grooming Stoffel for his reign at McLaren. Just like was mentioned earlier on, the ferrari seat might hold the key to the next season. Also, I could see that Mercedes would use a stop gap driver to see what Ocon is really made of and he could be on the move to the big team in 2018 to battle with Verstappen again.
Would love to see a some changes to the teams next year as I feel teams haven't been really striving for change over the past years.