Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

2019 FIA Formula 2 silly season


  • Please log in to reply
137 replies to this topic

#51 Maxioos

Maxioos
  • Member

  • 2,560 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 28 November 2018 - 10:01

Nyck de Vries to ART.

 

https://www.crash.ne...urn-art-f2-2019

 

To have any prospect promotion he MUST beat Mazepin and in my opinion has to win the championship. He's also highest ranked driver current ranking that stays, all above him are promoted to F1. When you look at how he beat his teammate this season and how that teammate performed yesterday in the F1 test, Nyck is (again in my opinion) from same caliber as the once finished p2,3 this season. Nyck has a (much) better junior career than Albon https://www.driverdb...lexander-albon/ But as seen by VanDoorne, junior performance doesn't say all.

 

Curious how he will do next year and if successful it will bring him anywhere because promotion next year will be difficult with current F1 fillings and a Ocon also looking for a seat. 



Advertisement

#52 NorwegianRudo

NorwegianRudo
  • Member

  • 315 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:14

Did you seriously just use beating Sean Geleal as some kind of measuring stick for being an F1 driver?



#53 Ragnar668

Ragnar668
  • Member

  • 1,471 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:39

Nyck de Vries to ART.

 

https://www.crash.ne...urn-art-f2-2019

 

To have any prospect promotion he MUST beat Mazepin and in my opinion has to win the championship. He's also highest ranked driver current ranking that stays, all above him are promoted to F1. When you look at how he beat his teammate this season and how that teammate performed yesterday in the F1 test, Nyck is (again in my opinion) from same caliber as the once finished p2,3 this season. Nyck has a (much) better junior career than Albon https://www.driverdb...lexander-albon/ But as seen by VanDoorne, junior performance doesn't say all.

 

Curious how he will do next year and if successful it will bring him anywhere because promotion next year will be difficult with current F1 fillings and a Ocon also looking for a seat. 

Like NorwegianRudo says, you can't use beating Geleal as some kind of measurement, Nyck was at Prema this year and he didn't deliver,simple as that
Seems to have more tire problems than others

 

 

#54 Maxioos

Maxioos
  • Member

  • 2,560 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 28 November 2018 - 11:47

I didn't use it as a single argument. And beating lesser teammate is on this board constantly used to praise Alonso for instance. There was in that VS. battle on forehand nothing to win for Nyck with such attitude imo. You at least can't use it against him also i would say.



#55 Cornholio

Cornholio
  • Member

  • 386 posts
  • Joined: March 16

Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:19

I didn't use it as a single argument. And beating lesser teammate is on this board constantly used to praise Alonso for instance. There was in that VS. battle on forehand nothing to win for Nyck with such attitude imo. You at least can't use it against him also i would say.

 

I think the difference is Alonso made a previously extremely highly rated Vandoorne look rubbish. For instance Massa didn't get much praise for annihilating Stroll on pace last year.



#56 Yhamm

Yhamm
  • Member

  • 1,465 posts
  • Joined: September 12

Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:22

Gelael is now confirmed at Prema

 

is Hubert really expected at MP? ain't that a low tier team for a GP3 champion?



#57 Maxioos

Maxioos
  • Member

  • 2,560 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:27

I don't say Nuck is great, but also not less than Albon and if, only slightly less than Norris. If he would have won Monaco this year as all signs pointed too, there would be great chance he would have been 2nd this year. It's just close and i think not justified to burn him completely down and write him off for next year and follow-ups.



#58 Anja

Anja
  • Member

  • 3,073 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 28 November 2018 - 12:48

Gelael is now confirmed at Prema

 

At least Mick doesn't have to worry about beating his teammate. 

 

is Hubert really expected at MP? ain't that a low tier team for a GP3 champion?

 

Well, he's kind of a low tier GP3 champion I'd say... 



#59 SenorSjon

SenorSjon
  • Member

  • 8,753 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 28 November 2018 - 13:20

I don't say Nuck is great, but also not less than Albon and if, only slightly less than Norris. If he would have won Monaco this year as all signs pointed too, there would be great chance he would have been 2nd this year. It's just close and i think not justified to burn him completely down and write him off for next year and follow-ups.

 

Problem is, Nick runs into too many of these problems. Baku is another one and in AD he was in the lead but ended 4th in the feature race. 

 

All cars were reset of course, so everyone started fresh car wise. If only they had proper tires... 



Advertisement

#60 taran

taran
  • Member

  • 2,775 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 28 November 2018 - 13:37

I don't say Nuck is great, but also not less than Albon and if, only slightly less than Norris. If he would have won Monaco this year as all signs pointed too, there would be great chance he would have been 2nd this year. It's just close and i think not justified to burn him completely down and write him off for next year and follow-ups.

 

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.....

 

Just give it up, Maxioos. De Vries had an excellent chance in 2018 with an established top team which produced the previous 2 champions (GP2 and F2) and he blew it, for whatever reason. Even if he wins the 2019 title (and that's a big if), he'll be too old and marked down as a driver who needed multiple seasons to get up to speed in F2.



#61 OvDrone

OvDrone
  • Member

  • 8,176 posts
  • Joined: January 13

Posted 28 November 2018 - 13:45

Gelael is now confirmed at Prema


Oh good; I was scared there for a moment.

#62 Jackman

Jackman
  • Member

  • 14,492 posts
  • Joined: August 00

Posted 28 November 2018 - 14:06

Abu Dhabi Test Details: 

 

RUSSIAN TIME 
Guanyu Zhou
Luca Ghiotto
 
Pertamina PREMA Theodore Racing
Sean Gelael
Mick Schumacher
 
DAMS
Sergio Sette Camarâ
Nicholas Latifi
 
ART Grand Prix
Nikita Mazepin
Nyck De Vries
 
MP Motorsport
Anthoine Hubert
Juan Manuel Correa
 
Arden International
Ralph Boschung
Thomas Laurent
 
Campos Vexatec Racing
Marino Sato
Ralf Aron
 
Trident
Ryan Tveter
Leonardo Pulcini
 
Carlin
Nobuharu Matsushita
Louis Delétraz
 
Charouz Racing System
Callum Ilott
Tatiana Calderon

 



#63 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 14,760 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 28 November 2018 - 15:31

Gelael is gonna stay there until he gets enough superlicense points, won't he? Even if it takes 15 years and he has to buy all other seats and install slow drivers in all of them.

De Vries is legit quick and worth another chance, I disagree he'd be too old. The one thing that makes me think he can still do it, is exactly the fact that he burns tyres, because that's a legit justification for why the results aren't there - he's got one lap pace but can't sustain it. It'd be much much worse if he didn't have one lap pace in the first place.

However it's still clear two rookies beat him in the championship, which is bad. I think this is the very last chance if he wants to make it to F1 on merit, and he needs to dominate the series. Anything less, and I'm not seeing him ever getting a F1 chance without a large sponsorship deal.

#64 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 14,760 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 28 November 2018 - 15:34

And ultimately that list of potential drivers for this season, or the list of drivers for this test, looks pretty damn underwhelming. There's Mick and de Vries (both drivers I already have some doubts in), and...?

#65 Muppetmad

Muppetmad
  • Member

  • 5,410 posts
  • Joined: September 09

Posted 28 November 2018 - 16:18

At the start of the year, Autosport's pundits almost unanimously predicted de Vries would win the title this year, primarily because of his experience of the tyres; essentially, the argument at the time was that he really should win it because all the odds were stacked in his favour. That he hasn't won it despite those odds sadly says a great deal.



#66 Ragnar668

Ragnar668
  • Member

  • 1,471 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 28 November 2018 - 16:32

And ultimately that list of potential drivers for this season, or the list of drivers for this test, looks pretty damn underwhelming. There's Mick and de Vries (both drivers I already have some doubts in), and...?

Mazepin
Hubert
Tveter
Sette Camara

It's not that bad

Guess Ticktum will join to


Edited by Ragnar668, 28 November 2018 - 16:34.


#67 Jbleroi

Jbleroi
  • Member

  • 739 posts
  • Joined: March 15

Posted 28 November 2018 - 16:36

Ticktum will likely do super formula and not a full f2 season

https://www.motorspo...mpaign/4305803/

#68 ANF

ANF
  • Member

  • 7,233 posts
  • Joined: April 12

Posted 28 November 2018 - 16:57

Ticktum will likely do super formula and not a full f2 season

https://www.motorspo...mpaign/4305803/

"Super Formula isn’t confirmed and signed yet, it’s just looking very likely I’ll be doing that."

I hope things will change and that he does end up in F2 (simply because I won't be watching Super Formula live). Ticktum may come across as a dick but quite often he is brilliant behind the wheel.

#69 sladealonso

sladealonso
  • Member

  • 188 posts
  • Joined: November 16

Posted 28 November 2018 - 16:57

Is De Vries still a McLaren junior? He has always had pace and lacked consistency in F2. Needs to Win this year for me and with minimum fuss. Especially considering his opposition. Mick is a rookie who notoriously takes awhile to get up to speed. Mazepin doesn't strike me as anything special, while Hubert will likely be in a lesser team. Then there's Sette Camara. Who has also taken 2 years. I'd actually edge towards him winning it tbh. Oh and Matsushita but he's a bit patchy or atleast was in his original stint.

#70 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 14,760 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 28 November 2018 - 17:11

Mazepin
Hubert
Tveter
Sette Camara


Sorry don't rate them and haven't even heard of Tveter before. A quick look at Wikipedia tells me he's won a grand total of 0 races in 8 seasons in single seaters which is encouraging.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Sette Camara fight for the title, but still don't rate him.

#71 Bleu

Bleu
  • Member

  • 2,049 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 28 November 2018 - 17:42

At least Gelael has done consistent job in his full GP2/F2 seasons - 15th in standings every year.



#72 DS27

DS27
  • Member

  • 3,004 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 28 November 2018 - 18:17

Gelael is now confirmed at Prema

 

 

 

These bloody Schumacher's; always dictating they must have a push-over as a teammate.   :lol:



#73 sopa

sopa
  • Member

  • 11,302 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 28 November 2018 - 18:49

These bloody Schumacher's; always dictating they must have a push-over as a teammate.   :lol:

 

Yea. Next we will hear Mick has an illegal traction and launch control in 2019.  :D



#74 HistoryFan

HistoryFan
  • Member

  • 6,131 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 28 November 2018 - 19:30

Carlin: Nobuharu Matshushita – Louis Delétraz

ART: Nyck de Vries - Nikita Mazepin

DAMS: Sergio Sette Câmara - Nicholas Latifi

Virtuosi: Luca Ghiotto - Guanyu Zhou

Prema: Mick Schumacher - Sean Gelael

Charouz: Tatiana Calderón - Callum Ilott

Campos: Ralf Aron - Jack Aitken

MP: Anthoine Hubert - Juan Michael Correa

Arden: Thomas Laurent - Marina Sato

Trident: Ryan Tveter - Leonardo Pulcini



#75 BRG

BRG
  • Member

  • 16,122 posts
  • Joined: September 99

Posted 28 November 2018 - 20:50

Wot, no Sergio Canamasas?



#76 jonpollak

jonpollak
  • Member

  • 25,556 posts
  • Joined: March 00

Posted 28 November 2018 - 21:14

Oh good; I was scared there for a moment.


I fear your irony is lost on this lot... maybe not but ..ya know.
I laughed..
Jp

#77 OvDrone

OvDrone
  • Member

  • 8,176 posts
  • Joined: January 13

Posted 28 November 2018 - 22:16

I fear your irony is lost on this lot... maybe not but ..ya know.
I laughed..
Jp


Thanks Scorpio. But we have GT Deity ANF and #27 sacred-Motorsport-number shaman DS27 getting it too. Racing souls.

#78 Anja

Anja
  • Member

  • 3,073 posts
  • Joined: November 09

Posted 28 November 2018 - 22:25

All this Gelael business made me remember Daniel de Jong. Always good to know that your brain keeps the important things alive in your memory. 



#79 OvDrone

OvDrone
  • Member

  • 8,176 posts
  • Joined: January 13

Posted 29 November 2018 - 02:20

All this Gelael business made me remember Daniel de Jong. Always good to know that your brain keeps the important things alive in your memory. 

 

I sometimes zone out during seemingly boring real life conversations, musing to myself thoughts like: 'I wonder what Christian Vietoris is doing right now. That Silverstone feature race battle with Jules Bianchi for the win was one of the best I've ever damn seen. What a lame season though lol.'


Edited by OvDrone, 29 November 2018 - 02:20.


Advertisement

#80 Jackman

Jackman
  • Member

  • 14,492 posts
  • Joined: August 00

Posted 29 November 2018 - 06:58

All this Gelael business made me remember Daniel de Jong. Always good to know that your brain keeps the important things alive in your memory.

Team manager at MP.

#81 efuloni

efuloni
  • Member

  • 249 posts
  • Joined: November 16

Posted 30 November 2018 - 02:52

SetteCamara confirmed at DAMS
https://www.grandepr...a-na-f2-em-2019

#82 zanquis

zanquis
  • Member

  • 4,096 posts
  • Joined: September 13

Posted 30 November 2018 - 14:35

K so 2019 to look for are: De Vries, SSC, Schumi III, Matshu.
Those are at the stronger teams and based on experience/championships should be fighting for top positions. Tbh I think it should go between SSC and De Vries. They both got similar experience with De Vries being the better of the 2. He just really really really needs to work on his tire management skills.

#83 Bleu

Bleu
  • Member

  • 2,049 posts
  • Joined: February 10

Posted 01 December 2018 - 16:58

Testing after Abu Dhabi. Here are best times by each driver. 

 

Deletraz 1.49,638

Ghiotto 1.49,904

Correa 1.49,958

Latifi 1.49,976

Zhou 1.50,036

Sette Camara 1.50,092

Alesi 1.50,136

Matsushita 1.50,139

Schumacher 1.50,166

Ilott 1.50,250

Aitken 1.50,256

De Vries 1.50,335

Calderon 1.50,361

Boccolacci 1.50,394

Mazepin 1.50,471

Verschoor 1.50,501

Gelael 1.50,539

Pulcini 1.50,685

Hubert 1.50,790

Tveter 1.51,114

Sato 1.51,202

Fernandez 1.51,253

Aron 1.51,731

Boschung 1.51,750

Laurent 1.54,172


Edited by Bleu, 01 December 2018 - 16:59.


#84 DS27

DS27
  • Member

  • 3,004 posts
  • Joined: February 11

Posted 01 December 2018 - 18:19

I'm going to be cheering for Schumacher in 2019 and i'll predict he takes the championship from NdV. Fingers crossed that his mid-season 'awakening' this year wasn't indication it takes him a long while to get used to a series as I have seen mentioned, rather something clicking within him, that has taken him to the next level.



#85 HistoryFan

HistoryFan
  • Member

  • 6,131 posts
  • Joined: November 07

Posted 01 December 2018 - 19:51

So that could be the field in 2019:

 

Carlin: Nobuharu Matshushita – Louis Delétraz

ART: Nyck de Vries - Nikita Mazepin

DAMS: Sergio Sette Câmara - Nicholas Latifi

Virtuosi: Luca Ghiotto - Guanyu Zhou

Prema: Mick Schumacher - Sean Gelael

Charouz: Tatiana Calderón - Callum Ilott

Campos: Ralf Aron - Jake Aitken

MP: Anthoine Hubert - Dorian Boccolacci

Arden: Ralph Boschung - Marina Sato

Trident: Ryan Tveter - Leonardo Pulcini


Edited by HistoryFan, 01 December 2018 - 19:51.


#86 SenorSjon

SenorSjon
  • Member

  • 8,753 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 01 December 2018 - 22:45

Testing after Abu Dhabi. Here are best times by each driver.

Deletraz 1.49,638
Ghiotto 1.49,904
Correa 1.49,958
Latifi 1.49,976
Zhou 1.50,036
Sette Camara 1.50,092
Alesi 1.50,136
Matsushita 1.50,139
Schumacher 1.50,166
Ilott 1.50,250
Aitken 1.50,256
De Vries 1.50,335
Calderon 1.50,361
Boccolacci 1.50,394
Mazepin 1.50,471
Verschoor 1.50,501
Gelael 1.50,539
Pulcini 1.50,685
Hubert 1.50,790
Tveter 1.51,114
Sato 1.51,202
Fernandez 1.51,253
Aron 1.51,731
Boschung 1.51,750
Laurent 1.54,172


I didn't expect Verschoor there? Not a bad time. Fastest MP driver.

#87 SonGoku

SonGoku
  • Member

  • 1,658 posts
  • Joined: July 17

Posted 01 December 2018 - 23:38

Championship or bust for Nyck de Vries this season. He has to win the title and in a very convincing way in my opinion to go to F1. Only problem is that  a lot of new rookies just entered F1 and some of the old guard left, with 20 seats it will be still difficult for him to find a seat.



#88 efuloni

efuloni
  • Member

  • 249 posts
  • Joined: November 16

Posted 02 December 2018 - 00:35

Championship or bust for Nyck de Vries this season. He has to win the title and in a very convincing way in my opinion to go to F1. Only problem is that a lot of new rookies just entered F1 and some of the old guard left, with 20 seats it will be still difficult for him to find a seat.


I believe the possible seats are:
- at least 1 at sauber, if Gio dont deliver.
- haas probably may not keep both drivers id they keep making silly mistakes.
- sainz, only if he goes rly bad against norris.
- both williams, if one of them is too good or too bad.

So, for a F2 champion, I guess could be some space. But I agree with you, DeVries and Camara may have a shot, but only if they win very convincingly

#89 OvDrone

OvDrone
  • Member

  • 8,176 posts
  • Joined: January 13

Posted 02 December 2018 - 02:06

Honestly, so far, the Super Formula 2019 season looks waaay better than the future F2 season.

 

I like that.



#90 Ragnar668

Ragnar668
  • Member

  • 1,471 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 02 December 2018 - 07:17

Championship or bust for Nyck de Vries this season. He has to win the title and in a very convincing way in my opinion to go to F1. Only problem is that  a lot of new rookies just entered F1 and some of the old guard left, with 20 seats it will be still difficult for him to find a seat.

 

It took Palmer 4 years and he still made it into F1



#91 SenorSjon

SenorSjon
  • Member

  • 8,753 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 02 December 2018 - 09:30

And just as fast out of it.

I wonder what MP will do with Verschoor. He was fast, bar FR2.0 where he struggled a lot. He was kicked out of the RB program due to that, but got back up to speed again with a move to GP3 mid season this year. He is the GP3 driver for MP now, but will he race F2 a few times as well?

#92 Maxioos

Maxioos
  • Member

  • 2,560 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 02 December 2018 - 12:24

And just as fast out of it.

I wonder what MP will do with Verschoor. He was fast, bar FR2.0 where he struggled a lot. He was kicked out of the RB program due to that, but got back up to speed again with a move to GP3 mid season this year. He is the GP3 driver for MP now, but will he race F2 a few times as well?

 

Can just like with Albon, they where rightful kicked out of RBR program, but when dealing good with it and come stronger out of it, you can come back. But, it's not a NGO, you have to deliver. RBR can't keep drivers that don't deliver what would be needed because you can't wait until they will again deliver because it could never come back and years for program is lost by waiting for performance while a other could have deliver or like now (Kvyat/Albon), by (temporary) release they start delivering again by seeing need of it and understand a position in RBR familie isn't a granted life long position no matter performance.



#93 Bliss

Bliss
  • Member

  • 66 posts
  • Joined: April 16

Posted 02 December 2018 - 21:36

Im not sure yet about Nyck de Vries. After all, we had new regulations this year. Was it all completely Nyck that burned that tyres or was it the car? 



#94 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 14,760 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 02 December 2018 - 21:59

Im not sure yet about Nyck de Vries. After all, we had new regulations this year. Was it all completely Nyck that burned that tyres or was it the car?


The car is the same for everyone. There might be some real differences in setup and in knowing how to prepare the car, but it's not as if Prema have some wildly different machine designed to chew tyres.

#95 NorwegianRudo

NorwegianRudo
  • Member

  • 315 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 02 December 2018 - 22:15

Im not sure yet about Nyck de Vries. After all, we had new regulations this year. Was it all completely Nyck that burned that tyres or was it the car? 

 

Keep in mind this year was actually an improvement in tyre management for Nyck...



#96 Ragnar668

Ragnar668
  • Member

  • 1,471 posts
  • Joined: April 10

Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:12

And just as fast out of it.

I wonder what MP will do with Verschoor. He was fast, bar FR2.0 where he struggled a lot. He was kicked out of the RB program due to that, but got back up to speed again with a move to GP3 mid season this year. He is the GP3 driver for MP now, but will he race F2 a few times as well?

MP has been testing Correa, Hubert,  Boccolacci and Verschoor 



#97 SenorSjon

SenorSjon
  • Member

  • 8,753 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 December 2018 - 09:35

The car is the same for everyone. There might be some real differences in setup and in knowing how to prepare the car, but it's not as if Prema have some wildly different machine designed to chew tyres.

 

I don't think Galeal was helping much with stressing the tires. ;)

 

Keep in mind this year was actually an improvement in tyre management for Nyck...

 

Yes, but even in the last race he failed to win the feature race while he led most of the time. Best example to me is France this year. He made an extra stop, but destroyed his tires within 3-4 laps and lost everything he gained (and then some). 



#98 sopa

sopa
  • Member

  • 11,302 posts
  • Joined: April 07

Posted 03 December 2018 - 16:18

Testing after Abu Dhabi. Here are best times by each driver. 

 

Deletraz 1.49,638

...

 

Interesting to see Deletraz' name on top. Quite a turnaround, considering once upon a time you could always count on Deletraz being first, when you count positions backwards.  :p



#99 NorwegianRudo

NorwegianRudo
  • Member

  • 315 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 03 December 2018 - 16:22

 

Yes, but even in the last race he failed to win the feature race while he led most of the time. Best example to me is France this year. He made an extra stop, but destroyed his tires within 3-4 laps and lost everything he gained (and then some). 

 

But it wasn't every race, which it seemed to be in 2017.



Advertisement

#100 Maxioos

Maxioos
  • Member

  • 2,560 posts
  • Joined: October 17

Posted 03 December 2018 - 18:41

But it wasn't every race, which it seemed to be in 2017.

 

And more (most/all) drivers had multiple races with tire troubles, also the once finishing above him. And again, Monaco wasn't a small lose, for sure not with the finishing competition points standings. Could(should) have been 2nd with Monaco win instead 4th with tire management trouble. It's a small line between succes and "loser"

 

But, it's (or should be) for whole autosport world clear he has to win in 2019 will he ever have chance to get the dream promotion too F1.