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#101 sportyskells

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 16:28

F2 have just said its replacement team for Russian Time and the full team name is UNI- Virtuosi. So no HWA



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#102 Bleu

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 13:35

UNI-Virtuosi named their first driver: Guanyu Chou.



#103 sportyskells

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 18:49

Now we have the dates and its the same as this years therefore no trip to Hockenheim for the F2 teams for the 2nd year running (And we can not blame triple headers this time around either)



#104 messy

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 18:54

Looking at the confirmed lineups one thing struck me - Gelael still at Prema.

Really? I'm going to be sick.

#105 HistoryFan

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 20:36

Carlin: Nobuharu Matshushita – Louis Delétraz

ART: Nyck de Vries - Nikita Mazepin

DAMS: Sergio Sette Câmara - Nicholas Latifi

Virtuosi: Luca Ghiotto - Guanyu Zhou

Prema: Mick Schumacher - Sean Gelael

Charouz: Tatiana Calderón - Callum Ilott

Campos: Ralf Aron - Jake Aitken

MP: Anthoine Hubert - Dorian Boccolacci

Arden: Ralph Boschung - Marina Sato

Trident: Ryan Tveter - Leonardo Pulcini



#106 JRodrigues

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 23:07

Giuliano Alesi quite possibly with Trident.



#107 statman

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 17:56

Ghiotto at Virtuosi:

 

http://www.fiaformul...g-2019-line-up/



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 08:38

Carlin: Nobuharu Matshushita – Louis Delétraz

ART: Nyck de Vries - Nikita Mazepin

DAMS: Sergio Sette Câmara - Nicholas Latifi

Virtuosi: Luca Ghiotto - Guanyu Zhou

Prema: Mick Schumacher - Sean Gelael

Charouz: Tatiana Calderón - Callum Ilott

Campos: Ralf Aron - Jake Aitken

MP: Anthoine Hubert - Dorian Boccolacci

Arden: Ralph Boschung - Marina Sato

Trident: Ryan Tveter - Leonardo Pulcini

 

So far I think De Vries is the main contender for the title, then Ghiotto, Schumacher, Mazepin, Zhou, Matsushita, Gelael



#109 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:01

Sergio Sette Camara to be de Vries main contender from the returnees for me.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:26

So far I think De Vries is the main contender for the title, then Ghiotto, Schumacher, Mazepin, Zhou, Matsushita, Luca Badoer, Alex Yoong, Carmen Jorda, Deletraz the dad, a 15 year old kid still in karting, a random local mechanic, my bed-ridden grandma, a blind Golden Retriever, Gelael


I fixed the order a little there for you.

#111 ANF

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:37

Ghiotto ahead of Schumacher? Nah.

#112 balage06

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:50

I'd be very surprised if Mick could fight for the title in his first season. Ok, he'll be a Prema driver so his chances are not so bad, but he needed a second season in both F4 and F3, and the F2 tyres are not exactly easy to figure out.


Edited by balage06, 07 December 2018 - 11:51.


#113 ANF

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:59

I'd be surprised if Ghiotto could fight for the title. :p

#114 messy

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 12:57

Problem with De Vries and Ghiotto is that they're Fabio Leimer and Jolyon Palmer for a new generation. Even if they win all eyes will be on the likes of Mick.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 13:01

Gelael has good choice though. He wants to be in the best team. This way he can avoid finishing last.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 13:46

Giuliano Alesi quite possibly with Trident.

 

confirmed: https://www.autospor...s-f2-graduation



#117 HistoryFan

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 14:19

Carlin: Nobuharu Matshushita – Louis Delétraz

ART: Nyck de Vries - Nikita Mazepin

DAMS: Sergio Sette Câmara - Nicholas Latifi

Virtuosi: Luca Ghiotto - Guanyu Zhou

Prema: Mick Schumacher - Sean Gelael

Charouz: Tatiana Calderón - Callum Ilott

Campos: Ralf Aron - Jake Aitken

MP: Anthoine Hubert - Dorian Boccolacci

Arden: Ralph Boschung - Marina Sato

Trident: Ryan Tveter - Guiliano Alesi

 

So far I think De Vries is the main contender for the title, then Ghiotto, Schumacher, Mazepin, Zhou, Matsushita, Gelael, Alesi



#118 HistoryFan

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 14:19

Ghiotto ahead of Schumacher? Nah.

 

More experience.

 



#119 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 14:47

More experience.

 

Hasn't he basically gotten worse every year though?



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#120 statman

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 15:05

is there a 'limit' on how long you can spend in F2/F3 etc? Have the feeling I've been seeing the same names in this class for years now.



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 15:07

Problem with De Vries and Ghiotto is that they're Fabio Leimer and Jolyon Palmer for a new generation. Even if they win all eyes will be on the likes of Mick.


Kind of, but neither have ever been as bad as Palmer was at some stage. They've got pedigree from the previous series they drove in (ex De Vries is a FR2.0 champion and former karting superstar; Ghiotto was said by many to have impressed more than Ocon in GP3 in his way to 2nd place) - they're still with a decent shout if they really go and smash this season.

Edited by noikeee, 07 December 2018 - 15:09.


#122 Anja

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 15:11

is there a 'limit' on how long you can spend in F2/F3 etc? Have the feeling I've been seeing the same names in this class for years now.

 

I'm not sure about lower formulas, but in F2 the only drivers prevented from competing are those who won the championship or completed a full season in F1. 



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Posted 07 December 2018 - 16:04

I'd be very surprised if Mick could fight for the title in his first season. Ok, he'll be a Prema driver so his chances are not so bad, but he needed a second season in both F4 and F3, and the F2 tyres are not exactly easy to figure out.

 

 

I'd be surprised if Ghiotto could fight for the title. :p

 

I'd be surprised if we even have a champion.



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Posted 08 December 2018 - 20:16

I'd be surprised if we even have a champion.

 

Looks a poor F2 in 2019 after the excellence this year. Superformula looking as good if not better



#125 OvDrone

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 00:20

Looks a poor F2 in 2019 after the excellence this year. Superformula looking as good if not better

 

F2 and F3 look completely drab for 2019. SuperFormula is where it's at now.



#126 Anja

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 00:46

I agree that F2 and F3 don't promise much excitement at the moment, but who's in SF if you take away the local veterans (to make a fair comparison with junior formulas)? I guess Cassidy is good but he's a bit of a Japan specialist by now. Markelov? Honda juniors who were so convincing that their bosses are sending Matsushita back instead of them? Everybody's favorite junior RB driver Dan Ticktum? The youngsters there are pretty much the same calibre of driver that we'll have in F2 and F3. 


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 16:03

Latifi stays @ Dams



#128 OvDrone

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 16:23

I agree that F2 and F3 don't promise much excitement at the moment, but who's in SF if you take away the local veterans (to make a fair comparison with junior formulas)? I guess Cassidy is good but he's a bit of a Japan specialist by now. Markelov? Honda juniors who were so convincing that their bosses are sending Matsushita back instead of them? Everybody's favorite junior RB driver Dan Ticktum? The youngsters there are pretty much the same calibre of driver that we'll have in F2 and F3. 

 

You speak truth. I guess my hype is born from the fact that I rate Cassidy, Markelov, Auer and especially Naoki Yamamoto way above every other drivers in both F2 and F3.



#129 HistoryFan

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 16:33

Carlin: Nobuharu Matshushita – Louis Delétraz

ART: Nyck de Vries - Nikita Mazepin

DAMS: Nicholas Latifi - Sergio Sette Câmara

Virtuosi: Luca Ghiotto - Guanyu Zhou

Prema: Sean Gelael - Mick Schumacher

Charouz: Tatiana Calderón - Callum Ilott

Campos: Ralf Aron - Jake Aitken

MP: Anthoine Hubert - Dorian Boccolacci

Arden: Ralph Boschung - Marina Sato

Trident: Ryan Tveter - Guiliano Alesi

 

So far I think De Vries is the main contender for the title, then Ghiotto, Latifi, Schumacher, Mazepin, Zhou, Matsushita, Gelael, Alesi



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 16:45

You speak truth. I guess my hype is born from the fact that I rate Cassidy, Markelov, Auer and especially Naoki Yamamoto way above every other drivers in both F2 and F3.

 

To be fair these guys are way more experienced/established though than almost everyone in F2 and F3 so its not really the same.

 

Super Formula could be entertaining though.



#131 SonGoku

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 19:59

I think it's unfair to criticize F2 after they lost their total 2018 top 3 drivers to F1. Of course the talent level will drop then. I also expect that the silly seasons until 2020 won't be that interesting because a gulf of youth found their place in F1 right now, which makes it extremely difficult for the next group of talents to find a seat.



#132 alonstar

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 20:07

There are rumors in Italia that Mick Schumacher is signing with Ferrari

https://it.motorspor...4311836/?nrt=54



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 20:11

You speak truth. I guess my hype is born from the fact that I rate Cassidy, Markelov, Auer and especially Naoki Yamamoto way above every other drivers in both F2 and F3.

You rate them above Sean Gelael?  Good grief.

 

Actually the real talent in Superformula is amongst the Japanese drivers, not the second division cast-offs from international racing. If the rest of the racing world ever bothered to look at Japanese domestic talent, they might be quite surprised.  But becasue they have funny names and are racing in far-off Nippon and don't speak excellent English, they are discounted.



#134 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 20:24

You rate them above Sean Gelael?  Good grief.

 

Actually the real talent in Superformula is amongst the Japanese drivers, not the second division cast-offs from international racing. If the rest of the racing world ever bothered to look at Japanese domestic talent, they might be quite surprised.  But becasue they have funny names and are racing in far-off Nippon and don't speak excellent English, they are discounted.

Might have more to do with how they fare when they venture abroad.



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 20:26

I think it's unfair to criticize F2 after they lost their total 2018 top 3 drivers to F1. Of course the talent level will drop then. I also expect that the silly seasons until 2020 won't be that interesting because a gulf of youth found their place in F1 right now, which makes it extremely difficult for the next group of talents to find a seat.

 

I see most of the problem in the fact that most of the stand-out drivers from F3 are not making the jump to F2 yet, Mick alone is not enough. Instead of them we'll have some graduates from GP3 which frankly had a very dull grid this year. 



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Posted 11 December 2018 - 23:24

I feel that the F1 dream has passed De Vries by. He had a golden opportunity in 2018 against very decent opposition and in a head to head with McLaren golden boy Norris. Had he seen Norris off, he could have had that McLaren seat.

 

Somewhat surprisingly however, in 2018 F1 has had a major clearing out in so there will not be many drives available again in 2020 unless one of the rookies or Kubica fail spectacularly.

Then there is Ticktum waiting in the Red Bull wings and Honda wanting to push a Japanese driver towards Toro Rosso. Williams can tell Horner and Marko exactly what happens when you don't give into such requests....

 

So the only I can see moving up to F1 in the short term is Mick Schumacher. Just because of his name and contacts. If he shows even a bit of speed and polish, he will be knocking on Sauber's door, courtesy of Ferrari. And if not Sauber/Ferrari, Mercedes will likely support him far more than they do Ocon and Russell.

 

There's simply no room at the inn for the others because for the veterans the title will be tainted. It took them too long and against weak opposition or that will be the popular view. 



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Posted Yesterday, 11:04

Sette Camara @ Dams:

 

http://www.fiaformul...or-2019-season/



#138 HistoryFan

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Posted Yesterday, 15:26

So ten drivers confirmed so far:

 

Carlin: Nobuharu Matshushita – Louis Delétraz

ART: Nyck de Vries - Nikita Mazepin

DAMS: Nicholas Latifi - Sergio Sette Câmara

Virtuosi: Luca Ghiotto - Guanyu Zhou

Prema: Sean Gelael - Mick Schumacher

Charouz: Tatiana Calderón - Callum Ilott

Campos: Ralf Aron - Jake Aitken

MP: Anthoine Hubert - Dorian Boccolacci

Arden: Ralph Boschung - Marina Sato

Trident: Ryan Tveter - Guiliano Alesi

 

So far I think De Vries is the main contender for the title, then Câmara, Ghiotto, Latifi, Schumacher, Mazepin, Zhou, Matsushita, Gelael, Alesi