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#401 IceSpeed

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 14:57

Ferrari's got this if it remains dry in quali


Isn't that a given? :) they had their engine massively turned down as well if you take a look at the speed traps and they were still ahead.


Edited by IceSpeed, 31 August 2018 - 15:10.


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#402 w1Y

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 14:58

Vettel is big favourite in the betting markets. Going to add to Vettel WDC bet rather than betbon this race

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:01

Can I just say, I love people posting that Ferrari are holding back and got stuff turned down.

Because the past 10 years have all been about 'Ferrari running fumes/glory runs' (which turned out to be true).

I'm just drinking in the team having the best car in F1 again, it's been a LONG time.

#404 Kelateboy

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:04

Can I just say, I love people posting that Ferrari are holding back and got stuff turned down.

Because the past 10 years have all been about 'Ferrari running fumes/glory runs' (which turned out to be true).

I'm just drinking in the team having the best car in F1 again, it's been a LONG time.

 

This year, it is fair to say that Ferrari have been running conservatively on friday.

 

I expect more to come from Ferrari tomorrow when they put on ICE v3 and turn up the engine to the maximum.



#405 rodlamas

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:04

This looks an easy Ferrari one-two unless something bizarre happens, like a crash in qualify, rain, blown engine etc



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:05

Mad that Ferrari are fastest and not top 10 in the trap. They've got a rocketship here. Easy 1-2.

Top speeds are most likely dictated by tows.



#407 LH44Fan

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:07

Can I just say, I love people posting that Ferrari are holding back and got stuff turned down.

Because the past 10 years have all been about 'Ferrari running fumes/glory runs' (which turned out to be true).

I'm just drinking in the team having the best car in F1 again, it's been a LONG time.

 

It's intoxicating and may spell a run over the next couple of years if you're lucky, finally Ferrari has the best engine and it's deserved (and legal) judging by the recent update on the Autosport homepage  :up:



#408 LH44Fan

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:13

Your fanboyism is boring, just as it is in the SV vs KR thread. Posts just to cause pointless off topic convo. 

 

Long runs look good, make it interesting for Sunday please....

 

You have 3 options which would've been better than attacking the poster - 

 

- address the point made

- scroll pass the post to one more to your liking

- add me to your ignore list so you don't get to read any more fanboy crap

 

Looking at what I posted it kinda is based on reality if you'll actually look at what I wrote - Ferrari is fastest this year and baring any unforeseen circumstances will be on pole right? Fastest car normally qualifies P1 on a normal day?

 

Rain tends to equalise engine/car performance and allow for the human factor to really make the difference (whether that be excelling in the wet or plain sucking in it) and this year is showing us what we already know. That Lewis excels in the wet, this point shouldn't even need justifying.

 

So I said - it's pretty safe to say if it's dry the best car will be on pole tomorrow but if it's wet the best driver will be on pole

 

Looks about right to me no?  :kiss:



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:19

Ehm, in Silverstone he had to close it manually because they didn't brake, right?

 

This time it didn't close as he applied the brakes. DRS is designed to close automatically when the brakes are applied, otherwise we get crashes like this.

 

Watched some slomo's of Ericsson's horrible crash. Noticed that the DRS on his wrecked car was closed. It looks like his DRS did close eventually, miliseconds before he skids onto the grass. Not that it matters or changed the outcome. Major malfunction in his DRS system or setup. Glad he walked away safely. 



#410 w1Y

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:27

It's intoxicating and may spell a run over the next couple of years if you're lucky, finally Ferrari has the best engine and it's deserved (and legal) judging by the recent update on the Autosport homepage :up:


Not trying to add fuel to the fire but the autosport front page is a comment by Ferrari. I dont expect any team to say anything different.

BTW i do believe they have found performance legally, just pointing it out

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:39

Mad that Ferrari are fastest and not top 10 in the trap. They've got a rocketship here. Easy 1-2.


I don't think it's the end of the straights where their advantage lies; it seems to be how quickly they get there.... A bit like a few years back when RB were fastest around Monza with that supposed wheezing Renault engine. They were a good bit faster in speed across the SF line than anything else.

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:42

I don't think it's the end of the straights where their advantage lies; it seems to be how quickly they get there.... A bit like a few years back when RB were fastest around Monza with that supposed wheezing Renault engine. They were a good bit faster in speed across the SF line than anything else.


So we thinking they almost have a KERS like depolyment through acceleration but that they are also able to keep the same level of normal deployment over the remaining lap. Not sure technically how that is even possible

Edited by w1Y, 31 August 2018 - 15:42.


#413 Mosrite

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:47

Is anyone aware that Mercedes have managed to win on this track for the last 4 years? Ferrari hasn't won here since 2010 and the last time this season we had a 'Ferrari 1-2' locked in track, the Mercedes won again.
 

Why don't you Merc fanboys just sit back and let's all watch the race and may the best team win? Otherwise, if Ferrari winning in Monza is so disgusting then no need to watch, it's like complaining about the Halo, if you don't like it, don't watch :)


Edited by Mosrite, 31 August 2018 - 15:47.


#414 Vesuvius

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 15:55

Mercedes slightly faster than Ferrari on race pace.
It's set to be close


Ferrari was faster or at least Kimi was.

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:08

You have 3 options which would've been better than attacking the poster - 

 

- address the point made

- scroll pass the post to one more to your liking

- add me to your ignore list so you don't get to read any more fanboy crap

 

Looking at what I posted it kinda is based on reality if you'll actually look at what I wrote - Ferrari is fastest this year and baring any unforeseen circumstances will be on pole right? Fastest car normally qualifies P1 on a normal day?

 

Rain tends to equalise engine/car performance and allow for the human factor to really make the difference (whether that be excelling in the wet or plain sucking in it) and this year is showing us what we already know. That Lewis excels in the wet, this point shouldn't even need justifying.

 

So I said - it's pretty safe to say if it's dry the best car will be on pole tomorrow but if it's wet the best driver will be on pole

 

Looks about right to me no?  :kiss:

 

Only to a limited extent. Wet weather mixes things up but the wet weather performance of the car is still the thing that 'really makes the difference' as you put it. Take Verstappen, who looked like a completely different driver in Hungary to Brazil 2016.



#416 DrivenF1

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:10

Is anyone aware that Mercedes have managed to win on this track for the last 4 years? Ferrari hasn't won here since 2010 and the last time this season we had a 'Ferrari 1-2' locked in track, the Mercedes won again.
 

Why don't you Merc fanboys just sit back and let's all watch the race and may the best team win? Otherwise, if Ferrari winning in Monza is so disgusting then no need to watch, it's like complaining about the Halo, if you don't like it, don't watch :)

 

Lots of people are aware, it's just that the Ferrari is a completely different beast to the last four years, even last year. Ferrari have really turned the tables at traditional Merc hunting grounds (e.g. Silverstone). 

 

Just because Ferrari have the pace and the upper hand, there is nothing certain about their race win. Let's all enjoy the spectacle as there is a chance Merc or to a much lesser extent someone else could grab the victory. Kimi may even produce something special. 



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:16

Why does the drs not closing cause the car to spear off to the side under breaking?

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:17

Ferrari was faster or at least Kimi was.

No.

Kimi's SS run was one timed lap and this was a time the Mercedes drivers beat towards the end of their longer stints.

On softs Mercedes was quicker, but their stints were a lot shorter. Though the soft tyre doesnt have any deg anyways.

Only real indication of a Ferrari advantage in the long runs are Vettel's SS times, but given that he was late it's possible that the fuel load was not the same. Also his average was better because he got more consistent times together: Mercedes suddenly improved massively towards the end of their supersoft stints.

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:25

This looks an easy Ferrari one-two unless something bizarre happens, like a crash in qualify, rain, blown engine etc

 

I'm sure the Ferrari pit wall will find new and exciting ways to **** it up



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#420 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:26

How are the long run timings of Merc and Ferrari ?



#421 Forghieri

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:30

You have 3 options which would've been better than attacking the poster - 

 

- address the point made

- scroll pass the post to one more to your liking

- add me to your ignore list so you don't get to read any more fanboy crap

 

Looking at what I posted it kinda is based on reality if you'll actually look at what I wrote - Ferrari is fastest this year and baring any unforeseen circumstances will be on pole right? Fastest car normally qualifies P1 on a normal day?

 

Rain tends to equalise engine/car performance and allow for the human factor to really make the difference (whether that be excelling in the wet or plain sucking in it) and this year is showing us what we already know. That Lewis excels in the wet, this point shouldn't even need justifying.

 

So I said - it's pretty safe to say if it's dry the best car will be on pole tomorrow but if it's wet the best driver will be on pole

 

Looks about right to me no?  :kiss:

 

Be careful what you wish for, you may well end up with a Seb pole in the wet.  :yawnface:



#422 LH44Fan

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:37

Only to a limited extent. Wet weather mixes things up but the wet weather performance of the car is still the thing that 'really makes the difference' as you put it. Take Verstappen, who looked like a completely different driver in Hungary to Brazil 2016.

 

We will have to disagree to a degree on the 'to a limited extent' aspect as I believe a driver can make a substantial difference in the rain but we'd be arguing semantics - other than that I agree, certain cars do seem to have better wet-weather traits than others and it seems the longer wheelbase option is the way to go as it gives greater stability in the wet corners.

 

Maybe RBR's extreme high-rake setup this year just doesn't work in the wet, I don't know, i'm no expert, but if you look across the last decade at the wet-affected sessions we've had even when Lewis was back at McLaren his name would always rise to the top so I think it's more than just coincidence that he seems to end up in cars that go well in the rain...



#423 LH44Fan

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:39

Be careful what you wish for, you may well end up with a Seb pole in the wet.  :yawnface:

 

It's possible for sure (and i' be the first one here to eat humble pie if that happened) but if it was wet my money would be on Kimi to be the lead Ferrari, in fact like Spa (foolishly) i'm hoping he'll do something spectacular this weekend!



#424 Vesuvius

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:39

No.

Kimi's SS run was one timed lap and this was a time the Mercedes drivers beat towards the end of their longer stints.

On softs Mercedes was quicker, but their stints were a lot shorter. Though the soft tyre doesnt have any deg anyways.

Only real indication of a Ferrari advantage in the long runs are Vettel's SS times, but given that he was late it's possible that the fuel load was not the same. Also his average was better because he got more consistent times together: Mercedes suddenly improved massively towards the end of their supersoft stints.

 

I would still say, Kimi and Ferrari looked better in long runs. KImi didn´t do any laps above 1,25 
 

Kimi:
 

with SS 1,24,705

pit

with S  1,24,938

            1,24,620

            1,24,533

            1,24,817

            1,24,508

            1,24,765

            1,24,747

            1,24,962

            1,24,363

            1,24,929

 

Vettel

with SS 

1,24,884
1,25,251
1,24,903
1,24,724
1,25,076
1,24,705
 
Hamilton
with SS
 
1,25,563
1,25,313
1,25,024
1,25,039
1,25,416
1,24,546
1,27,097
pit
with softs
1,24,565
1,24,631

 

Bottas :

with SS

1,25,597
1,25,994
1,25,343
1,26,028
1,25,299
1,25,429
1,24,792
1,24,982
pit
with S
1,24,882
1,24,758
1,24,521
1,24,606

Edited by Vesuvius, 31 August 2018 - 16:42.


#425 derstatic

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 16:40

Watched some slomo's of Ericsson's horrible crash. Noticed that the DRS on his wrecked car was closed. It looks like his DRS did close eventually, miliseconds before he skids onto the grass. Not that it matters or changed the outcome. Major malfunction in his DRS system or setup. Glad he walked away safely. 

 

Eager to hear what Sauber has to say about this crash. Silvestone will have to count as a driver error even if the system looked to be far from safe with the driver having to find a small button on a bumpy track at 300+ kph to close the wing. This looks like a proper malfunction of the DRS. The DRS should close automatically when the driver lifts or brakes and it was obvious here the wing was open way past the point when ME hit the brakes, but closed right before the car hit the wall for the first time. Some Autosport article suggested there were similar issues with Leclerc's car but it didn't cause a crash for him obviously. Good thing is the car did it's job and protected the driver from injury.



#426 Maxioos

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 18:13

 

I would still say, Kimi and Ferrari looked better in long runs. KImi didn´t do any laps above 1,25 
 

Kimi:
 

with SS 1,24,705

pit

with S  1,24,938

            1,24,620

            1,24,533

            1,24,817

            1,24,508

            1,24,765

            1,24,747

            1,24,962

 

Do you also have RBR times? Their long-runs where competitive according to Max.



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 18:25

Why does the drs not closing cause the car to spear off to the side under breaking?

 

I haven't seen an in-car, but I wonder if he didn't turn hard left like Gordon and Johnson into Turn One at Pocono?



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 18:32

Do you also have RBR times? Their long-runs where competitive according to Max.

 

No tyre info

 

3 Daniel RICCIARDO 

1 15:25:04

2 1:23.464

3 1:55.696

4 1:23.816

5 1:55.454

6 1:23.236

7 2:00.777

8 P 1:29.781

9 15:02.830

10 1:22.296

11 1:53.780

12 1:23.042

13 2:10.169

14 P 1:31.269 

15 P 12:17.391

16 2:07.656

17 1:26.295

18 1:25.976

19 1:25.832

20 1:25.758

21 1:25.447

22 1:25.177

23 P 1:30.467

24 2:08.857

25 1:25.322

26 1:25.255

27 1:25.114

28 P 1:29.840

 

33 Max VERSTAPPEN

1 15:25:22

2 1:33.216

3 1:24.308

4 1:41.127

5 1:23.395

6 1:44.975

7 1:23.054

8 1:42.774

9 1:22.909

10 P 1:36.506

11 12:38.524

12 1:22.385

13 1:53.611

14 1:22.154

15 P 1:41.485

16 15:57.303

17 1:26.354

18 1:26.477

19 1:25.737

20 1:25.736

21 1:25.607

22 1:25.377

23 P 1:29.365

24 1:47.572

25 1:25.337

26 1:24.970

27 1:24.707

28 P 1:38.151



#429 Vesuvius

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 18:33

Do you also have RBR times? Their long-runs where competitive according to Max.

 

Ricciardo
1,26,295
1,25,976
1,25,832
1,25,758
1,25,447
1,25,177
pit
1,25,322
1,25,255
1,25,114
 
Max
1,26,354
1,26,477
1,25,737
1,25,736
1,25,607
1,25,377
pit
1,25,337
1,24,970
1,24,707


#430 PayasYouRace

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 18:41

Why does the drs not closing cause the car to spear off to the side under breaking?


No downforce at the back, so the back has less grip, can’t slow down as effectively and the car wants to swap ends.

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 18:42

 

Ricciardo
1,26,295
1,25,976
1,25,832
1,25,758
1,25,447
1,25,177
pit
1,25,322
1,25,255
1,25,114
 
Max
1,26,354
1,26,477
1,25,737
1,25,736
1,25,607
1,25,377
pit
1,25,337
1,24,970
1,24,707

 

 

Well, that is competitive in no-mans land. No where near front 2 teams.



#432 piszkosfred

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 19:47

Weather app says steady rain whole day tomorrow but bone dry sunday.



#433 Dr. Austin

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 19:59

Sorry if this has been posted before, but if so I didn't see it. I wonder if this will quell some more halo resistance.

 

 



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 20:06

Eager to hear what Sauber has to say about this crash. Silvestone will have to count as a driver error even if the system looked to be far from safe with the driver having to find a small button on a bumpy track at 300+ kph to close the wing. This looks like a proper malfunction of the DRS. The DRS should close automatically when the driver lifts or brakes and it was obvious here the wing was open way past the point when ME hit the brakes, but closed right before the car hit the wall for the first time. Some Autosport article suggested there were similar issues with Leclerc's car but it didn't cause a crash for him obviously. Good thing is the car did it's job and protected the driver from injury.

It was a clear malfunction, and yes, the same issue affected Leclerc's car, When it happened to Ericsson that was probably the first time they used DRS today with the new "Monza-spec" rear-wing. If you can rewatch FP2 they show a replay (with 57:40 remaining of the session) with radio from Leclerc's outlap after the crash where he was apparently told to test DRS at a safe speed . The radio communication went like:

"Now test DRS"

"No, there is the problem ...   There is the problem...   The DRS is staying open!"

"OK, box this lap"

 

And after the session they also had a replay of how Ericsson's rear wing behaved before the crash. Instead of closing the upper part of the rear wing when the braking started it actually opened even more so the front end was pointing slightly upwards. And the upper part of the rear wing stayed in that position until the car was so much sideways that the air no longer hit the wing head-on and that's when the DRS finally closed 

 

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#435 PayasYouRace

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 20:10

I wonder if it was a reversal of a mechanical linkage somewhere.

#436 Dr. Austin

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 20:12

I remember when the FIA outlawed movable aerodynamic devices because they were "dangerous." You can't make this stuff up.



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 20:18



#438 PayasYouRace

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 20:19

The ban came from the 1960s and was the easy was of preventing dangerous crashes due to aerodynamic failures. With a bit more effort, moveable aero could have been allowed even then. It’s not like moveable aerodynamics were a new field back then. We pretty much had that understood in Edwardian times. By the 1960s we had safe supersonic flight. Moveable aero on racing cars shouldn’t have ever been considered dangerous. Banning for competitive reasons would have been a whole other matter of course.

Fixed wings have failed too of course.

#439 cheekybru

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 20:34

Sorry if this has been posted before, but if so I didn't see it. I wonder if this will quell some more halo resistance.



What about the DRS resistance? Can we start that up again? :D

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#440 A3

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 21:36

Why does the drs not closing cause the car to spear off to the side under breaking?


Looks like the rear wing was providing lift in stead of downforce when the top element opened up even more.

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 21:58

Sorry if this has been posted before, but if so I didn't see it. I wonder if this will quell some more halo resistance.

 

 

No it doesn't quell like for those that have two wheels i don't want four wheels...



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 22:29

No downforce at the back, so the back has less grip, can’t slow down as effectively and the car wants to swap ends.

It is still quite surprising how fast and quickly Ericsson's car snaps to the left.

 

Looks to me almost that the rear wheels did not have even braking power each side while the DRS failed to close in time.


Edited by Jvr, 31 August 2018 - 22:34.


#443 lamo

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 22:49

Chinese GP 2009
Korean GP 2011
Malaysian GP 2013

Australian and Korean GP 2010 retired from the lead with technical issues


Was Korea 2011 wet?

#444 Dr. Austin

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 23:12

The ban came from the 1960s and was the easy was of preventing dangerous crashes due to aerodynamic failures. With a bit more effort, moveable aero could have been allowed even then. It’s not like moveable aerodynamics were a new field back then. We pretty much had that understood in Edwardian times. 

 

Oddly, I don't believe a movable device ever failed. Sure, wings came apart, but I can't recall a movable one having a problem.

 

The devices were already greatly in use by Porsche on it's 908 models, and more famously on the 917. In fact, the FIA tried to ban them on the 917lh during the 1969 Lemans practice, but Porscher refuesed on the grounds that's how the car was homologated and it was going to run that way or the whole Porsche team would pull out. As a compromise the FIA allowed them to drive the car with the rear flaps locked into place, and Rolf Stommelen declared the car "undrivable." The thing looked so scary that the FIA relented and allowed them to run the movable flaps for the Lemans race only, but after that they were never allowed again.

 

But, it's odd that the FIA can ban movable devices on the grounds of safety, but bring them back as "DRS" when convenient under the excuse of "spicing up the show."


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#445 genespleen

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 23:51

Oddly, I don't believe a movable device ever failed. Sure, wings came apart, but I can't recall a movable one having a problem.

 

 

Depends on how one defines "movable"; the rear wings fixed directly to suspension uprights in 1969 at Spain of course moved with the suspension, and failed on the Lotus cars.  But I realize you're writing about systems in which actual wing elements moved.   :)



#446 MonkeySpin

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 00:34

End of the day only one thing counts.

 

Hamilton leads the championship.

 

Ferrari fans are hard.... I get that. But there is one man leading and he is driving a "****" merc.



#447 Lennox

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 00:41

You have 3 options which would've been better than attacking the poster - 

 

- address the point made

- scroll pass the post to one more to your liking

- add me to your ignore list so you don't get to read any more fanboy crap

 

Looking at what I posted it kinda is based on reality if you'll actually look at what I wrote - Ferrari is fastest this year and baring any unforeseen circumstances will be on pole right? Fastest car normally qualifies P1 on a normal day?

 

Rain tends to equalise engine/car performance and allow for the human factor to really make the difference (whether that be excelling in the wet or plain sucking in it) and this year is showing us what we already know. That Lewis excels in the wet, this point shouldn't even need justifying.

 

So I said - it's pretty safe to say if it's dry the best car will be on pole tomorrow but if it's wet the best driver will be on pole

 

Looks about right to me no?  :kiss:

 

Make you feel better?



#448 beachdrifter

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 02:34

End of the day only one thing counts.


Yes. Having the best car - with perfect reliability - for 17 out of 21 races. That'll do it, every time.

#449 Mandzipop

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 06:10

End of the day only one thing counts.

 

Hamilton leads the championship.

 

Ferrari fans are hard.... I get that. But there is one man leading and he is driving a "shit" merc.

 

Who's leading the WDC only counts after the chequered flag falls in Abu Dhabi, 2010 is a perfect example of that.



#450 MortenF1

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 06:13

Looks set to be dry for third free and Q... 😕