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Sky to broadcast F1 exclusively in UK from 2019 [UPDATE: C4 highlights for 2019]


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#7351 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 28 February 2024 - 22:53

SKY pre-race coverage is bland anyway just loads of interviews and filler and hardly any in-depth features, ITV and BBC's pre-race coverage was better you don't need 90 mins of pre-race stuff.



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#7352 chdphd

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Posted 28 February 2024 - 23:11

I used to start watching at the grid walk, but stopped doing that a while ago.

 

The way Sky splits its coverage up, I can just record the race and that's fine by me.



#7353 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 28 February 2024 - 23:17

For a premium product like F1 and what they charge folks, it’s odd to do 3 races remotely especially when F1 is always in different countries and each event has its own unique flavour etc. But as others have mentioned they are cutting down everywhere bar the Premier League so it’s not a surprise, plus not having a British driver in contention and back to back Red Bull domination, I guess they thought now’s a good time to introduce this change.

I also agree with others about the poor quality of their race build up coverage, I remember on ITV and the BBC, they had good features and building up to the race it got you genuinely excited for a Grand Prix because it was done so well and focused on the racing and not some narratives that they try to push out sometimes.

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Posted 28 February 2024 - 23:30

It’s probably these night/early morning races where the viewership is lower anyway. Makes sense and you can say it’s for green credentials or whatever PR guff you want to spin.

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Posted 28 February 2024 - 23:47

Sky have been cutting back on their coverage of everything outside of the Premier League, all to desperately recoup some cash to afford the colossally stupid amount of money they spend on those rights.

 

It's a shame the whole broadcast industry used covid as an excuse to permanently move to remote coverage. It's often noticeably poorer quality and somewhat lifeless when most of the team is half a world away, and disconnected from what's actually happening. Although saying that, I have largely given up watching Sky's pre- and post-race shows nowadays, and have joined the lights to flags gang.

 

Sky are in the process of changing their whole business. They have been losing satellite subscription customers for quite some time. They want to move towards internet broadcasting, but that's getting to be quite a crowded market. They've also invested in the Elstree studios for TV and film production and see production as a key future business area. Basically at one time they pretty much had a monopoly on non-terrestrial broadcasting (in the UK) and a near monopoly on the live broadcasting of popular sports too. That's all gone now and I think they are struggling to reposition themselves.


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Posted 29 February 2024 - 00:04

SKY pre-race coverage is bland anyway just loads of interviews and filler and hardly any in-depth features, ITV and BBC's pre-race coverage was better you don't need 90 mins of pre-race stuff.

There was always a certain advantage when the Formula One coverage had exactly 13 minutes post-race because Strictly was starting at 7pm and the BBC aren't delaying that for anything. There's less time for waffle, and certainly no need for yet another Horner interview.



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Posted 29 February 2024 - 00:54

I used to start watching at the grid walk, but stopped doing that a while ago.

 

The way Sky splits its coverage up, I can just record the race and that's fine by me.

yeah I always just record the race now when I'm away if there is any decent features they get put on YouTube in full anyway.


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#7358 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 29 February 2024 - 00:55

There was always a certain advantage when the Formula One coverage had exactly 13 minutes post-race because Strictly was starting at 7pm and the BBC aren't delaying that for anything. There's less time for waffle, and certainly no need for yet another Horner interview.

I think 90 minutes build up is far too much, SKY don't even do that for their PL coverage which is by FAR their biggest priority (apart form Monday Night, which is more of a weekend review show and interview with guest, they hardly talk about Mondays match especially if doesn't involve "Big 6"), an hour show with ads is enough. SKY's coverage of F1 was a LOT better in the early days, now they have become lazy and tired and clearly budgets have been slashed with subscriptions being raised.


Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 29 February 2024 - 01:05.


#7359 F1 Mike

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Posted 29 February 2024 - 01:09

The F1 show today was mostly just waffle. ITV used to have excellent season previews. Gone are those days.

Waffle waffle waffle.

Waffle is not content.

Give us some content.

Real content.

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#7360 hamilton10000

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Posted 29 February 2024 - 11:10

If you are watching on NOW TV have just spotted that all the driver on boards and extra feeds are now available to access! They were an exclusive to full sky tv customers last year.

Of course trying to get them in sync with the main feed is another matter...

#7361 Jops14

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Posted 29 February 2024 - 11:45

SKY pre-race coverage is bland anyway just loads of interviews and filler and hardly any in-depth features, ITV and BBC's pre-race coverage was better you don't need 90 mins of pre-race stuff.

I used to love the BBC coverage, a really tight 45 mins. Even going back to 97/98 on ITV and the talking heads in a studio seems more interesting.


I always wanted more coverage, now its here im just eh… let me skip to the race

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Posted 29 February 2024 - 12:16

If I watch live it's grid walk to podium. Sometimes a bit afterwards but no guarantee.

#7363 pdac

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Posted 29 February 2024 - 12:21

Nowadays, if I watch live it's formation lap to chequered flag. If I watch highlights, it's the same. It used to be different.



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Posted 29 February 2024 - 18:08

Just read this on another forum...

'Rachel Brooks just revealed that they don't show some events that occur at races because Netflix have a veto so they can include them in their doc as exclusive content.

She referenced a crash in between two drivers in the same team they witnessed but weren't allowed to comment on.'

I couldn't find anything about this. Is it well known that journos can be blocked from covering certain aspects of the racing itself to make it a DTS exclusive?

I've put this in the Sky F1 thread as it was allegedly mention in FP1 on Sky.

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Posted 29 February 2024 - 19:01

What she actually said I believe - was the team (Alpine) asked them not to show it at the time (it was an Alpine event I believe) - they then gave it to Netflix who did show it but only because it was a year later so no longer an issue.


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Posted 29 February 2024 - 19:35

What she actually said I believe - was the team (Alpine) asked them not to show it at the time (it was an Alpine event I believe) - they then gave it to Netflix who did show it but only because it was a year later so no longer an issue.


Thanks. I knew the knowledgeable crowd at the Autosport forums would know.

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 14:27

How to take what should have been a decent feature and ruin it with over editing and a bizarre decision to show us Crofty commentating instead of the karting.

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 14:47

Martin's gris walk just isn't what it once was. I often feel it might be because he's got too many suggestions or demands coming into his earpiece

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 14:56

Martin's gris walk just isn't what it once was. I often feel it might be because he's got too many suggestions or demands coming into his earpiece

 


I don't think it helps that the drivers are rarely available. The requirement to stand at the front for the anthem means they are not around their car to be interviewed, and they just come to the grid late.

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 18:40

Sky were very keen to suggest Ferrari needed to swap their cars around, then criticised Toro Rosso for doing exactly that in a near identical situation.

They just love the idea of Ferrari making strategic errors and so invent examples of it happening and get so excited when it does. I find this biased and tiresome.

#7371 Dalton007

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 20:29

The ole switcharoo was back.  :well:



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Posted 02 March 2024 - 23:00

Croft had some wry and adroit observations…
Jp

#7373 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 23:03

Croft never ceases to amaze me at his constant drivel along with repeated mistakes when the cars and drivers in front of him are clearly identifiable by car numbers, helmets and TV graphics, nothing will ever change regarding him.

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 23:11

I don't think it helps that the drivers are rarely available. The requirement to stand at the front for the anthem means they are not around their car to be interviewed, and they just come to the grid late.

 

I really dislike this thing they brought in to have all the drivers lined up standing at the front of the grid.

Just yet another pointless thing brought in for PR/show...

 

But you're right the knock on impact means the grid walk is much less useful/interesting in finding drivers than it was in the past. 



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Posted 02 March 2024 - 23:16

Sky were very keen to suggest Ferrari needed to swap their cars around, then criticised Toro Rosso for doing exactly that in a near identical situation.

They just love the idea of Ferrari making strategic errors and so invent examples of it happening and get so excited when it does. I find this biased and tiresome.

 

I did get the impression that Brundle was willing Carlos along, hoping he'd show Ferrari what was what for not re-signing him (must be the first driver to lose a seat) hence the wish to see him by.

 

The main annoyance regarding them is how bad they are at relaying the timing info, to the point of almost being outright misleading at times as to what is actually happening in the race.



#7376 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 02 March 2024 - 23:21

I did get the impression that Brundle was willing Carlos along, hoping he'd show Ferrari what was what for not re-signing him (must be the first driver to lose a seat) hence the wish to see him by.

The main annoyance regarding them is how bad they are at relaying the timing info, to the point of almost being outright misleading at times as to what is actually happening in the race.


Sky have done that for a while now, pitching Sainz as the better driver over Leclerc. In the post race show, Lazenby asked Damon Hill who he’d take between Sainz and Leclerc if he were a team principal, after hearing from Vasseur explaining the issues Leclerc had with brakes in the race and even after hearing the various team radio messages about it.

I’m not sure what it is but the Sky team do seem to try to create a “rivalry” or Sainz is better narrative, could that be that Sainz Snr has good relationships in the paddock? I could be reaching with that but I’ve noticed they try to big up Sainz over Leclerc.

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Posted 03 March 2024 - 03:06

Probably just because it's a great storyline if Carlos beats Charlie . They can sell it better when it's not just unfolding the way we would expect

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Posted 03 March 2024 - 05:09

The main annoyance regarding them is how bad they are at relaying the timing info, to the point of almost being outright misleading at times as to what is actually happening in the race.

If you mean the blatant lies (or utter lack of knowledge) in relaying the gaps and how they are ‘closing’ then I agree. Hearing Croft go on at the end about all the drivers who were catching other drivers to create artificial drama was patronizing at best. The gaps were all being managed in the top ten and even the closest battle with Magnussen and the Redmist Bulls was never close. It is maddening to have the timing screen right in your face and listen to them speak like they are watching another race.

I watched the first ten laps and gave up, the caught the last five or so. That was more than enough.

When does Indycar start? 😁

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Posted 03 March 2024 - 10:25

Friday practice 1) 19:45-21:00. SSF1
Saturday Practice 2) 14:35 no listing yet.
Saturday Qualifying 20:00-21:30 SSF1
Sunday Warm Up 13:10 no listing yet
Race 16:15 SSF1

Jp

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Posted 09 March 2024 - 17:15

Could David Croft have lobbied any harder for a red flag than he just did (re: the Stroll incident)?



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Posted 09 March 2024 - 19:10

Sky need to stop saying their staff are in Race Control. They used to prefix that with 'Sky', and they've stopped even doing that.



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Posted 09 March 2024 - 19:31

Remember how disliked Sky were when they got the rights, how some drivers and team managers prioritised the BBC for interviews 



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Posted 09 March 2024 - 20:00

https://amp.formula1...WAnfkqAmjC.html

Yeah, that’s even more reason to not purchase.

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Posted 09 March 2024 - 22:04

Could David Croft have lobbied any harder for a red flag than he just did (re: the Stroll incident)?


I didn't get that. It was only ever going to be a red flag if Stroll ended up stuck somewhat under the barriers (kind of like Burti at Spa in 2001). It was never going to need a red flag though.

Oh and his reaction to Bearman getting 7th seemed a bit OTT, shouting in a somewhat high pitched tone as though he'd won the race

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Posted 10 March 2024 - 00:46

If you are watching on NOW TV have just spotted that all the driver on boards and extra feeds are now available to access! They were an exclusive to full sky tv customers last year.

Of course trying to get them in sync with the main feed is another matter...


On Roku it's possible to live pause, but on most devices this function isn't possible. So it's a bit of a useless addition if you're trying to watch as a 2nd screen

#7386 chdphd

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Posted 10 March 2024 - 19:06

Did anyone miss Brundle at Jeddah then? No mention of him here or in the race thread.

 

I don't mind Karun.



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Posted 10 March 2024 - 20:06

Did anyone miss Brundle at Jeddah then? No mention of him here or in the race thread.

I don't mind Karun.


Didn’t even realise he wasn’t there till there was no grid walk! Lol

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Posted 10 March 2024 - 21:20

Did anyone miss Brundle at Jeddah then? No mention of him here or in the race thread.

 

I don't mind Karun.

 

They have to switch staff with so many races this year, no never missed Brundle. 

 

I do think on occasions the huge whacks on his head during his racing career (Brundle) are now taking their toll.  



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Posted 10 March 2024 - 21:23

They have to switch staff with so many races this year, no never missed Brundle. 

 

I do think on occasions the huge whacks on his head during his racing career (Brundle) are now taking their toll.  

He's had heart issues in the past. 

 

Martin Brundle had minor heart attack during 2016 Monaco Grand Prix (autosport.com)



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Posted 10 March 2024 - 21:23

Did anyone miss Brundle at Jeddah then? No mention of him here or in the race thread.

I don't mind Karun.


As much as I like Karun, I've decided to go with F1TV this year for the races if Brundle isn't there and it's not a really interesting substitute. If it was Rosberg I might have stayed. But it's nice to have a rest from Croft as he says something that gets me swearing 3 or 4 times a race.
With F1TV it's just really pleasant and enjoyable the whole race. Jolyon Palmer is brilliant, so much more interesting than his dad in the 90s

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Posted 10 March 2024 - 21:29

As much as I like Karun, I've decided to go with F1TV this year for the races if Brundle isn't there and it's not a really interesting substitute. If it was Rosberg I might have stayed. But it's nice to have a rest from Croft as he says something that gets me swearing 3 or 4 times a race.
With F1TV it's just really pleasant and enjoyable the whole race. Jolyon Palmer is brilliant, so much more interesting than his dad in the 90s


I love Palmer. He's a FOM outsider having earned his stripes on BBC radio, and you can really tell. Says what he thinks and isn't bound by the flowery "everything is great" ethos.

However, for me, Jacques has fallen into the Croft trap of being far too repetitive in his commentary style, and making far too much of insignificant moments. There is an insincerity in his voice that pierces my ears. I just wish somebody would commentate naturally. A shame.

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Posted 11 March 2024 - 00:42

Something that I have found grating this season so far is Croft making an assumption about what has happened to a driver that is not only incorrect but negative about that driver.

 

Most egregiously, he did it in Bahrain, where he announced to the world that Sargeant had just made a mistake and gone off, when Williams were reporting pretty straight away that it was his steering wheel suddenly slamming the brake bias all the way forward. No correction was spoken of, Croft continued to assign it as a mistake, and that Sargeant's position in the race was only due to that mistake. The net result: an outpouring of hate on Sargeant for being rubbish, and Vowles having to emphasise multiple times in the next couple of days that the steering wheel was a serious issue.

 

He also did it in Jeddah, where somehow both he and Karun managed to miss completely that his name had gone in freefall down the timing tower and was stiill showing "in pit" while everyone else was out on track - but apparently, according to Croft, this was because he was just slow. Again, triggered an outpouring of backlash.



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Posted 11 March 2024 - 02:15

Something that I have found grating this season so far is Croft making an assumption about what has happened to a driver that is not only incorrect but negative about that driver.

 

In fairness, I think this is more because Croft's absolutely useless at understanding the race happening in front of him, than because of any driver bias.
 



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Posted 11 March 2024 - 08:33

I think Brundle is contracted for 16 races, which a few years ago meant he only missed a couple, but now it's a bit more obvious.

But Croft will miss three this year.

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Posted 11 March 2024 - 10:51

In fairness, I think this is more because Croft's absolutely useless at understanding the race happening in front of him, than because of any driver bias.
 

Tosh.