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[FLB]

 

I was referring to ‘this forum’ because this is the medium we are all discussing through.

Understood 

[jonpollak]

I'd suggest that journalists / pundits from all nations are naturally jingoistic (to at least some extent). The problem that some have with jingoism / favouritism / bias from UK journalists / pundits is that the UK Sky coverage is used for the world feed. If it were only broadcast in the UK then the rest of the world wouldn't know all that much about it I guess.

Personally , I find it pretty "ordinary" at times but then remember who the main audience is and roll with it. What DID surprise me and I think is a marker that the jingoism has gone too far is when Adrian Newey called out the UK journalists / pundits for being too one-sided and "anti" drivers he'd worked with such as Max and Seb. Coming from a reasoned, calm, intelligent, well-credentialed Englishman, I thought that was rather telling.

Anyway, I'll miss Damon's input on the Sky telecast, he's a "good egg" and tells it as he sees it. I actually don't think that he's too far of the middle in the jingoism stakes and pretty even-handed - he wasn't afraid to point out some Lewis failings earlier in the year and he's been an asset I reckon.

In total agreement arrysen.
Thank you for your posts.
Jp

[BRG]

Yeah I'm serious - Adrian Newey is VERY different to Horner (or Toto, or Zac come to that), he's not fighting a corner the way they usually are. Much more reasoned and even-handed - I found it quite surprising when he said it & given that he lives where the media coverage he's talking about is broadcast and published, would know a bit about it. 

So basically you are saying that if a respected British motorsport person defends drivers against perceived unfair British attacks, he must be believed.  But if another respected British motorsport person calls out the likes of Verstappen for unsporting and dangerous on-track behaviour, he must be biased?

 

OK, fair enough, and I will accept it when Newey or Horner publicly denounce one of their own drivers.  Which is never going to happen.

 

I place Damon Hill as far more objective than a Red Bull employee when it comes to commenting on Red Bull drivers' behaviour.

[arrysen]

So basically you are saying that if a respected British motorsport person defends drivers against perceived unfair British attacks, he must be believed.  But if another respected British motorsport person calls out the likes of Verstappen for unsporting and dangerous on-track behaviour, he must be biased?

 

OK, fair enough, and I will accept it when Newey or Horner publicly denounce one of their own drivers.  Which is never going to happen.

 

I place Damon Hill as far more objective than a Red Bull employee when it comes to commenting on Red Bull drivers' behaviour.

You're forgetting that Adrian Newey's observations were made long before any recent comments from Damon and I suspect that Adrian would not have an issue with Damon's reasoned and pretty balanced analysis - particularly as Damon has also criticised British drivers, including Lewis, in not-so-recent past.

Edited by arrysen, 18 November 2024 - 14:29.

[Counterbalance]

You're forgetting that Adrian Newey's observations were made long before any recent comments from Damon and I suspect that Adrian would not have an issue with Damon's reasoned and pretty balanced analysis - particularly as Damon has also criticised British drivers, including Lewis, in not-so-recent past.

I’m in total agreement with BRG, I think you’re trying to have your cake and eat it. But I’m British, so I can’t really have a say in the matter…. /s

And how Schiff stays and Hill goes defies belief. I’m one of few who defend Sky on here (mainly Crofty), but I can’t defend this move.

Edited by Counterbalance, 18 November 2024 - 17:56.

[jonpollak]

I think you’re trying to have your cake and eat it. But I’m British,

So,  is having cake then eating cake frowned upon in Britain?

What with all the constant self denial?

 

Why would you have cake and not eat it?

How can you eat cake without having it???

 

I'm from Southern headonist California.

Jp

[pdac]

So,  is having cake then eating cake frowned upon in Britain?

What with all the constant self denial?

 

Why would you have cake and not eat it?

How can you eat cake without having it???

 

I'm from Southern headonist California.

Jp

 

It's just not the done thing.

[Pete_f1]

I think quite a few commentators like to try and say an iconic thing atwhat might be an iconic moment.

'They think it's all over... IT IS NOW! From the 66 world cup and 'It's happened immediately!' Of Suzuka 90

[onemoresolo]

So, is having cake then eating cake frowned upon in Britain?
What with all the constant self denial?

Why would you have cake and not eat it?
How can you eat cake without having it???

I'm from Southern headonist California.
Jp

It's a silly phrase to mean you can't have it both ways.

If you eat your cake, you will no longer have the cake. Hence you can't have your cake and eat it.

[pacificquay]

I think quite a few commentators like to try and say an iconic thing atwhat might be an iconic moment.

'They think it's all over... IT IS NOW! From the 66 world cup and 'It's happened immediately!' Of Suzuka 90

Surely both of those were spontaneous

[TomNokoe]

I think quite a few commentators like to try and say an iconic thing atwhat might be an iconic moment

I think it's deliberate for social media clips and highlights. It is so inauthentic it drives me mad.

 

It works on younger and casual fans because this is what their lives are about - content. You also see it with Drury replacing Tyler for the football commentary.

 

I find it also has the secondary effect of when something really amazing happens, instead of the commentator reacting to it organically at the same as the viewer, they are at pains to tell you just how amazing it was. It feels like they are marketeers instead of commentators. Jacques on F1TV is particularly bad at this, in contrast to his F2 commentary where he is natural and himself.

Edited by TomNokoe, 18 November 2024 - 20:44.

[garoidb]

Surely both of those were spontaneous

 

"Do you believe in miracles ...."

[arrysen]

I’m in total agreement with BRG, I think you’re trying to have your cake and eat it. But I’m British, so I can’t really have a say in the matter…. /s

Last sentence rings true    . Funny saying, the cake one - should actually be "eat your cake and still have it" (which is how my pedantic dad always said it) but no, that's not what I was about. 

 

All good.

[chdphd]

I think it's deliberate for social media clips and highlights. It is so inauthentic it drives me mad.

 

It works on younger and casual fans because this is what their lives are about - content. You also see it with Drury replacing Tyler for the football commentary.

 

I find it also has the secondary effect of when something really amazing happens, instead of the commentator reacting to it organically at the same as the viewer, they are at pains to tell you just how amazing it was. It feels like they are marketeers instead of commentators. Jacques on F1TV is particularly bad at this, in contrast to his F2 commentary where he is natural and himself.

 

Lots of "channels" were pushing that Max's Brazil drive was the best wet-weather drive ever. It clearly isn't, but you gotta get those clicks.

Edited by chdphd, 19 November 2024 - 06:58.

[BRG]

So,  is having cake then eating cake frowned upon in Britain?

What with all the constant self denial?

 

It's a hangover from war-time rationing, jp.  You Californians wouldn't understand as the US never enjoyed that arrangement!  Mind you, it is reckoned that under rationing, people were healthier as they had a better diet.  No burgers or pizzas when we had ol' Adolf to defeat! 

[Sterzo]

It certainly predates rationing, BRG (though you may not have been entirely serious). Have you not read "A dialogue Conteinyng the Nomber in Effect of All the Prouerbes in the Englishe Tongue" published in 1546?

[azza200]

I have noticed on a lot of social media platforms whenever Martin is mentioned or is quoted about something new or old people are now calling for him to go

[pdac]

I have noticed on a lot of social media platforms whenever Martin is mentioned or is quoted about something new or old people are now calling for him to go

 

So what you're saying is that there are people (active on social media platforms) that want him to go, are reminded of that whenever his name crops up.

[F1 Mike]

I have noticed on a lot of social media platforms whenever Martin is mentioned or is quoted about something new or old people are now calling for him to go

Most of the contributors who are commenting on those platforms are just complainers, so naturally it will look like there's a heavy sway against something or someone. I don't think it's representative of balanced opinion any more.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Lots of "channels" were pushing that Max's Brazil drive was the best wet-weather drive ever. It clearly isn't, but you gotta get those clicks.

Everyone is tapping into ‘ragebait’ these days. Say something very controversial, sometimes blatantly and purposely wrong to start fishing the masses in with comments. 

[FirstnameLastname]

https://x.com/hillf1...jNzYI1wHgQ5OZzw

Damon posts on Sky and invokes a barrage of insults

Cryptic reply of ‘that’s another story’ about why he left Sky. Says he wasn’t fired.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Sky scrambling to get a live word with Max after some of the stuff they’ve said about him and Red Bull this season was hilarious. Remember just how much they were pushing the Horner stuff earlier in the year and then hyping up Norris but they’re now eating crow as Max is a 4 time champion.

Edited by STRFerrari4Ever, Today, 09:16.

[Red5ive]

Still cant understand how Croft fails to grasp what he is unfolding in front of him.

 

Gasly drops out and according to Croft "oh what a shame, he started 3rd and was on for a possible podium" - meanwhile in the actual race at no point did Gasly look like he was "on for a podium".

[FirstnameLastname]

The director today was obsessed with Gasly

[P123]

Sky scrambling to get a live word with Max after some of the stuff they’ve said about him and Red Bull this season was hilarious. Remember just how much they were pushing the Horner stuff earlier in the year and then hyping up Norris but they’re now eating crow as Max is a 4 time champion.

 

If you say so.  Horner is never off Sky. 

[F1matt]

The director today was obsessed with Gasly

 

 

I presume George Russell must have insulted the directors mother at some point this weekend as we didn't get to see him for the duration of the race, I can't recall even seeing his pit stops. 

[STRFerrari4Ever]

If you say so. Horner is never off Sky.

Begrudgingly, the way they were sticking the knife in during testing and in the first couple of the months of the season was quite a sight but now Verstappen has delivered another title and Norris the challenger they had christened wet the bed spectacularly even though they wanted him to be a genuine contender.

[IrvTheSwerve]

For some reason, after setting my Sky Q box to record via the Sky Go app last night, it didn't record (was fine when I did the same for qualifying)…therefore I watched the re-run at 9.30am.

 

I know this has been complained about before, but having Ted's Notebook immediately before the re-run, when it inevitably overruns, is idiotic. Had to keep flicking on to SSF1 after 9.30 in the hope that I didn't see the result and also didn't miss the re-run.

[d246]

https://x.com/hillf1...jNzYI1wHgQ5OZzw

Damon posts on Sky and invokes a barrage of insults

Cryptic reply of ‘that’s another story’ about why he left Sky. Says he wasn’t fired.

 

Another example of how you can't express an opinion on social media without it being taken as a personal afront and then having your legs taken away from you.

 

I don't necesarily agree with Damon, but he's hardly an agressive, bitter, monster....

[pdac]

I don't understand why people think non-niche social media platforms are a suitable place to have discussions or debates (on any subject).

Edited by pdac, Today, 16:25.

[P123]

Begrudgingly, the way they were sticking the knife in during testing and in the first couple of the months of the season was quite a sight but now Verstappen has delivered another title and Norris the challenger they had christened wet the bed spectacularly even though they wanted him to be a genuine contender.

 

I am at least glad that they can now stop talking about the championship challenge that never was.    

[ArchieTech]

It amazes me that people can be surprised that a broadcaster would be enthusiastic about a championship battle. Of course they are going to focus on that, whoever it involves.

[P123]

It amazes me that people can be surprised that a broadcaster would be enthusiastic about a championship battle. Of course they are going to focus on that, whoever it involves.

 

Not surprised, however it was ever a little tenuous... Lando lining up beside Max on the grid today meant they were introduced by Brundle as "the championship contenders".  Albeit not as bad as the routine of Croft and Brundle getting excited about impending in-race battles when the live timing says otherwise!