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Sky to broadcast F1 exclusively in UK from 2019 [UPDATE: C4 highlights for 2019]


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#201 ExFlagMan

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:09

They will show the highlights via pick tv as that is on all tv platforms ,And most likely the British gp will be shown for this reason alone i suspect 

I wonder what percentage of TV viewers have ever heard of Pick TV, let alone know where to find it or what it shows.



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#202 ArchieTech

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:13

I wonder what percentage of TV viewers have ever heard of Pick TV, let alone know where to find it or what it shows.

Also how much content are Sky actually going to put into their highlights package, compared to the days of BBC and Channel 4? (Can't believe I'm typing that one race into the current Channel 4 deal... still three years to go yet...)

 

I guess on one hand they want to show it off and get people to subscribe, on the other they won't want to make it so good people are happy to just wait and see the highlights...



#203 BullHead

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:14

There's a year ish or so for this not to happen... Let's see if the British Motorsport community can have any influence... And I mean industry more than fan pressure. If it happens, quite frankly **** em. No longer a pinnacle. Full stop. And can they survive it? I doubt it. An opportunity for a breakaway.

#204 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:14

I suspect that might mean the F1 channel is jettisoned at some point though.

 

I was hoping that, but it didn't seem read that way.



#205 Owen

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:15

Well that's me out from 2019 then. Someone remember to switch off the lights.

Me too. I'm kinda done with Bernie and his idea of F1.

#206 EvilPhil II

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:15

Indycar has to seize this opportunity and get a few Sunday evening races live on FTA UK tv. 

 

Perhaps Indycar at Monza! 



#207 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:17

Another idea - what if in, say, November 2018, FOM announce a pay per race internet service starting in 2019.

 

That would **** on a lot of folks' strawberries.

 

People keep coming up with these ideas but it can only happen once the existing broadcast contacts expire and what keeps happening is that, as the broadcast contracts expire, they are replaced by a new multi-year contract on similar terms. So there is never going to be a time when they can do this in the near-ish future.



#208 BullHead

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:17

It's a double points approach again for me..... I live in hope of a u turn... If it goes it goes.... I can easily lose interest and watch real Motorsport

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:18

The problem is not enough people will pay what they think a 'reasonable' price is to even come close to the income they can get from an exclusive satellite deal. We found out that with Bernie TV. And FTA sport is just dying these days.

But BernieVision was essentially just duplicating something which already existed. In the UK's case, on free to air. So hardly a direct comparison.

 

I'm sure a lot of people make the calculation that their subscription to Sky Sports (or BT Sport) is paying for a lot of things they are never going to watch. So they go without it. But if Sky offered a reasonably-priced single channel only subscription for particular sports like cricket or motor sport - of both of which there is more than enough to run dedicated channels 24/7 - I'm pretty sure they'd end up with more subscribers and more revenue.



#210 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:21

I have Sky already, so I'm not bitching about the price. However, I am furious that the longterm health of the Motorsport industry, which involves thousands of UK jobs, can be jeopardised so carelessly and easily by this greedy, short-term action. They are making a nice tasty roast dinner out of the goose that lays golden eggs.

 

They brought it upon themselves, though. 'They' were all very happy when Bernie turned them into multi-millionaires. Now, as you say, it's roast goose time.



#211 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:21

If Bernie suddenly died would anyone be actually sad, seriously? Tarnished the sport beyond recognition. Cannot wait until he croaks. He's probably paid Petronas to come up with special life fuel to keep him going for a few more decades.

Truly, at first he was sort of funny, just the silly old man who was out of touch who said some funny things and always looked lost on the grid, but honestly now he's just a desperate, vindictive soul.

 

The one thing I'd say is that when he does die, I hope we don't have people literally celebrating it and basically saying "haha Bernie is dead, shame on him, it's great news" as that would actually be sad.



#212 famousfive

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:24

F1 fans love to moan. How do you think football, boxing, golf, tennis etc fans have survived? True fans will still pay - that said I only use streaming so no loss to me ;)



#213 EvilPhil II

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:28

Concorde agreement was signed in July 2013 and runs to December 2020. 

 

Bernard Charles Ecclestone will be 90years old in October 2020.
 
The Dallara DW12 produced by  Dallara for IndyCar Series is to be replaced in 2018. 
 
I wonder if Sky have paid upfront for these rights?


#214 BullHead

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:28

Aargh... So angry.... SKY WE CAN WATCH YOUR S**T NOW AND NOT PAY A PENNY..... F1 **** OFF... Don't want people to watch? You're irrelevant. FORMULA NONE you will be. Not motorsport anymore..... the British industry that helped create you will ignore you. ....

#215 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:31

More fool anyone who pays for it, your selfishness and ignorance is going to put F1 out of the reach of millions of future F1 fans.

Every single one of us grew up watching F1 on BBC, ITV or the like free to air.

 

I know this is the modern way, but it DOES NOT mean it is right.

 

Solidarity is the only weapon you have.  I feel sorry for people who pay for it, I really do, especially as they are part of a legacy that will destroy the romance, amazement and shock and awe of kids seeing F1 for the first time. F1 will forver get further and further away from normal people and go further into the pockets of the rich and cretinous who would pay 100 quid a month to watch it regardless of even thinking about it.

SKY is still a minority viewership, it is not the terrestrials fault they cannot bid for sport, SKY have to find billions every single year to fund football and the premier league, they will keep doing it any way they can, including fleecing sheep-like F1 fans who can't survive without watching what is really a very dull car advert.

 

How do you feel F1 SKY fans, knowing that all you are REALLY funding is the ability for Manchester City or Chelsea to fund 300 grand a week salaries, F1 is a bit part in this game, and its about time you realised whst it is you are really paying for?

 

Well, having read the comments in this thread, it looks like there are a few die-hards who will be taking your advice and giving up on F1. I will probably too.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:31

This just shows the contempt that Bernie and CVC Partners shows towards the genuine fans!

I for one will never subscribe to Sky which is overpriced and from all I hear full of  adverts. There is no way I would put a single penny into Rupert Murdoch pocket! F! is finished in it current form along with Motogp which has gone to another overpriced subscription service BT Sport.

The powers that be must  need their heads examining as the world wide audience is declining rapidly which is not surprising as all the current in fighting is doing nothing to adhere fans.

Save money on Autosport and Autosport   website access. This move is totally deplorable!  


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#217 Mat13

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:31

What a perfect way to **** up a good start to the season.* Is there anything anyone involved in F1 can do right? I can't decide whether to wait for 2019 to bin F1 or whether to give it up now.

*Provided you forget qualifying, Monza and Hamilton's glasses.

#218 TomNokoe

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:32

F1 fans love to moan. How do you think football, boxing, golf, tennis etc fans have survived? True fans will still pay - that said I only use streaming so no loss to me ;)


How much does it cost you to go and play football, organise a boxing match, and so on?

F1 is so inaccessible.

#219 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:32

F1 fans love to moan. How do you think football, boxing, golf, tennis etc fans have survived? True fans will still pay - that said I only use streaming so no loss to me ;)

 

There are not enough to make up the numbers and the fanbase is not growing. It's not the same as other sports.



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#220 DampMongoose

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:35

Another nail driven home.

I'm just surprised that before ditching F1 the BBC didn't try out Clare Balding presenting along with a horse, a terrier and Ben Fogle given they've tried that on every other f**cking programme.

#221 BullHead

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:37

Still, a good banner I can take to Silverstone this year......

#222 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:38

Ooh Bernie what will all that money be good for in the grave?

 

Bernie is a little man. He needs to make money to make him feel big.



#223 Jordan44

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:38

I don't see how Sky can really justify Sky Sports Mix or Sky 1 as "free to air". You need to pay for the entertainment package for those. Perhaps there is more to it. Probably not knowing Sky, but just a thought, they own Pick TV on Freeview, which could be used as a promotion platform for Sky F1 using highlights?

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#224 YoungGun

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:39

FP1 - FP3 ain't so bad on live timing you to will get used to it.  F1 across the pond has been an extra charge for some time, some of you whine to much!!



#225 Burtros

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:41

Most sports fans only have to dislike their rivals.

 

Us F1 fans get to dislike the sport too! And they make it so easy!



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:42

How much does it cost you to go and play football, organise a boxing match, and so on?

F1 is so inaccessible.

 

What are you talking about? I am talking about watching premiership football, golf, Tennis  etc on TV - they are not free to air simple. F1 fans need to suck it up - the rest of the sports fans have for decades. 



#227 Owen

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:43

FP1 - FP3 ain't so bad on live timing you to will get used to it. F1 across the pond has been an extra charge for some time, some of you whine to much!!

So you think it's ok to pay an extra £48 per month (on top of the license fee) just to watch F1?

#228 BullHead

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:44

A coordinated fan group campaign anyone?

#229 BullHead

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:45

Still, a good banner I can take to Silverstone this year......


Anyone want to help?

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:48

That's a real shame, however, I can't say I'm surprised. I find it somewhat odd that Bernie would decide to broadcast F1 exclusively on Sky, a pretty expensive subscription service, when F1 is suffering from declining viewership. But hey, I'm no expert. 

One thing that is for sure is that the 2018 F1 season will be my last. I refuse to give any money to Murdoch. 



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:48

Formula E will be great by 2020 as they will have had another four years of proper competitive development, have different looking prototype cars, and some good names we recognise in the driving seats.  Those of us not too bothered about the sound will still be watching excellent racing.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:50

It fits in with Sky's other programming.  E.g. the wrestling.  Sky with the exclusive rights to show a manipulated facade of a sport where everything is done to spice up the show, with ridiculous cheating being allowed to keep people interested, and machinations to keep the favourites on top.  And the wrestling.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:52

What are you talking about? I am talking about watching premiership football, golf, Tennis  etc on TV - they are not free to air simple. F1 fans need to suck it up - the rest of the sports fans have for decades. 

 

Terrible examples. Premiership football yes but football as a whole you had the World Cup, Euro's, selection of Champions League games (every Tuesday), League Cup, FA Cup, Europa League and probably more. Golf again until recently the British Open and the Masters was shown on BBC. Tennis isn't too bad. Wimbledon and the French Open are on FTA channels.

 

FTA is certainly getting worse but the other sports haven't had it bad for decades like you're suggesting.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:53

So you think it's ok to pay an extra £48 per month (on top of the license fee) just to watch F1?

 

What the cost of the license fee?

 

Here I pay $60.00 CAD/month for basic cable plus the sports channel that carries F1 (Qual/Race).


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#235 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:53

 

Concorde agreement was signed in July 2013 and runs to December 2020. 

 

Bernard Charles Ecclestone will be 90years old in October 2020.
 
The Dallara DW12 produced by  Dallara for IndyCar Series is to be replaced in 2018. 
 
I wonder if Sky have paid upfront for these rights?

 

 

Don't forget, though, the commercial rights have been leased out for 100 years.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:56

A coordinated fan group campaign anyone?

 

I can't be bothered, frankly.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:56

F1 fans love to moan. How do you think football, boxing, golf, tennis etc fans have survived? True fans will still pay - that said I only use streaming so no loss to me ;)


Football is completely different because it is unrivalled in terms of popularity. League games were shown live very infrequently before Sky got involved, so their involvement did actually drastically improve the coverage and accessibility. There are also a lot more football matches per season than F1 races, so a sports subscription is more palatable to armchair football fans. Sky took a product whose fans were underserved and made it in to a massively better customer proposition.

F1 has been accessible for decades in the UK, and has had excellent coverage since 2009 especially. Sky don't offer anything new, they've just taken the sport and made it less accessible and arguably lessened the quality of the coverage. That is a perfectly valid reason to moan.

I can't speak for Boxing, but Tennis and Golf...again, they both have a huge number of events every season, so dedicated sports channels are ideal for the vast majority of their rights. Sky have massively improved the coverage of both sports because non-specialist channels simply don't have the time to show every event. Also, neither sport are anywhere near as significant to the British economy as F1 is. It has traditionally been well-served by terrestrial TV, so is unique when compared to the other sports you mentioned.

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:57

Formula E will be great by 2020 as they will have had another four years of proper competitive development, have different looking prototype cars, and some good names we recognise in the driving seats.  Those of us not too bothered about the sound will still be watching excellent racing.

 

If true, Sky will buy the exclusive rights to add it to their F1 channel.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 22:58

Formula E will be great by 2020 as they will have had another four years of proper competitive development, have different looking prototype cars, and some good names we recognise in the driving seats.  Those of us not too bothered about the sound will still be watching excellent racing.

 

If Formula E can get to 2020. The UK viewing figures are dropping off pretty fast and ITV already seems to be losing interest in it preferring to show snooker instead.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:01

What the cost of the license fee?

 

Here I pay $60.00 CAD/month for basic cable plus the sports channel that carries F1 (Qual/Race).

 

£145.50, which Google says is $271.39 CAD



#241 kayemod

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:03

Could be Bernie's final act of stupidity to further bury F1. Will be even be around in 2019?

 

I would not ever pay for the crappy coverage Sky provides, so bye bye F1 for me after 35 years.

 

If this really is all down to Bernie, I'm surprised that his employers, the sport's effective owners, are letting him do this. They may not care about anything other than income, but surely they can see that by stuffing almost all the viewers, he's also stuffing their golden goose.



#242 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:05

Bernie must resign.

 

Even if he does, that won't nullify all the commercial contracts that have been signed.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:06

If this really is all down to Bernie, I'm surprised that his employers, the sport's effective owners, are letting him do this. They may not care about anything other than income, but surely they can see that by stuffing almost all the viewers, he's also stuffing their golden goose.

Bernie could be dead in three years and CVC could have sold F1. Who knows.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:08

So Bernie won't watch F1 after 2018(if he's still alive)? Remember he wouldn't pay for it.

 

 

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F1 fans love to moan. How do you think football, boxing, golf, tennis etc fans have survived? True fans will still pay - that said I only use streaming so no loss to me ;)

 

But when it comes to generating new fans it gets difficult. Young children can play football, do some boxing, play some golf (if they're snobs) or tennis. But they can't drive F1. They might drive a kart once a year but this isn't really enough. I came to F1 because i didn't find anything better on TV at weekends, but how is this going to work if the family doesn't have a sky subscription. F1 is on the edge of getting unimportant. In Germany not even half a million watch F1 via Sky. In the state F1 currently is nobody will buy a sky subscription.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:13

So Bernie won't watch F1 after 2018(if he's still alive)? Remember he wouldn't pay for it.

 

 

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But when it comes to generating new fans it gets difficult. Young children can play football, do some boxing, play some golf (if they're snobs) or tennis. But they can't drive F1. They might drive a kart once a year but this isn't really enough. I came to F1 because i didn't find anything better on TV at weekends, but how is this going to work if the family doesn't have a sky subscription. F1 is on the edge of getting unimportant. In Germany not even half a million watch F1 via Sky. In the state F1 currently is nobody will buy a sky subscription.

 

Even if they do have a Sky subscription how many would come across F1 when there are hundreds of other channels on there? When I was a kid there were only 3 channels and there wasn't one in my room, so if dad wanted to watch F1, everyone watched F1.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:13

Well, having read the comments in this thread, it looks like there are a few die-hards who will be taking your advice and giving up on F1. I will probably too.

 

Yep, I'm out too. When the flag falls on the 2018 season I'll have watched every FTA race in the preceding 21 years. But I will not take out a Sky Sports subscription for F1, especially when I'm not really interested in any other sport. I don't even feel as sad about this as I should, which is a reflection of the sorry state F1 has gotten itself into in recent seasons. Instead I'll just have more time to focus on the BTCC. Heck, even most of the races on the TOCA support package have been more entertaining than your average grand prix lately. There's more action in an 8 lap Ginetta Junior race for goodness sake! So I'd rather go to 2-3 BTCC meetings per year, for £30-£40 a pop, than spend many times that amount trying to watch F1 on TV.



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:16

So many bad news lately. I had a little hope left but after this they are all gone. Sad,sad.

 

See that's the thing, i can't remember the last time i discussed (or posted in here) something about F1 without the words 'really' and 'disappointed' in the sentence.....it's like some contemptuous child who doesn't realise the value of anything to anybody and just goes round breaking stuff because it thinks no-one else deserves that thing.

 

I confess the timescale (2019-on) makes me think that the tv landscape might be a whole lot different to how it is now.....the BBC, for instance, may just be a pale shadow of what it is now by then but having said that this feels, like so many others have said, like the greediest form of short-termism....it's like they think the product's **** and it's not sustainable financially so lets just ge.....oh wait.....

*shrugs*

 

yeah, just for a change i'm really disappointed again in F1. The brightest minds in sport and they can't see a baseball bat being swung at their nuts. Who knew eh?



#248 pdac

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:17

Yep, I'm out too. When the flag falls on the 2018 season I'll have watched every FTA race in the preceding 21 years. But I will not take out a Sky Sports subscription for F1, especially when I'm not really interested in any other sport. I don't even feel as sad about this as I should, which is a reflection of the sorry state F1 has gotten itself into in recent seasons. Instead I'll just have more time to focus on the BTCC. Heck, even most of the races on the TOCA support package have been more entertaining than your average grand prix lately. There's more action in an 8 lap Ginetta Junior race for goodness sake! So I'd rather go to 2-3 BTCC meetings per year, for £30-£40 a pop, than spend many times that amount trying to watch F1 on TV.

 

Of course, we all don't know exactly what a Sky subscription will cost in 2018. If it's reduced to £2 a month, I might consider it.



#249 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:19

Eugh.

 

What a week to kick off the 2016 season, eh? Qualifying debacle and now this? WHY, OH WHY, do they do this to us?



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Posted 23 March 2016 - 23:22

Of course, we all don't know exactly what a Sky subscription will cost in 2018. If it's reduced to £2 a month, I might consider it.

 

We can dream! I'd be up for paying maybe a few quid to just watch the race, and not have to subscribe to Sky Sports and get all the other stuff I'm not interested in, but certainly no more than £5. And with the state F1 is in at the moment, that's me being generous.