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#5351 Atreiu

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 03:22

Does this include non-GPs?

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#5352 Rediscoveryx

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 05:09

Who’s the left-handed driver who’s won most races on odd-numbered dates when a democrat was in the white house?

Edited by Rediscoveryx, 09 September 2019 - 05:09.


#5353 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 05:42

Who’s the left-handed driver who’s won most races on odd-numbered dates when a democrat was in the white house?

Senna was left-handed, but most of his wins came when Reagan or Bush was the POTUS. He only won five races during the Clinton administration (all in 1993), three of those on odd-numbered dates (Donington on April 11, Monaco on May 23, and Adelaide on November 7). There's probably someone with more wins than that.



#5354 Beri

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 05:48

Senna was left-handed, but most of his wins came when Reagan or Bush was the POTUS. He only won five races during the Clinton administration (all in 1993), three of those on odd-numbered dates (Donington on April 11, Monaco on May 23, and Adelaide on November 7). There's probably someone with more wins than that.


I am baffled someone really took the effort to find this out. I doff my hat to thee good sir..

#5355 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:29

This is the first season we have more races than regular driver seats with 20 seats vs 21 races? At least in the winged era.


So this is the first ever season in history that we knew before season started with 100% certanty that we will have repeated winner at some point.

#5356 McLaren

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:33

So this is the first ever season in history that we knew before season started with 100% certanty that we will have repeated winner at some point.


Technically not 100%. As a race could be cancelled. Look at Spa this year for the junior categories.

#5357 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:35

Senna was left-handed, but most of his wins came when Reagan or Bush was the POTUS. He only won five races during the Clinton administration (all in 1993), three of those on odd-numbered dates (Donington on April 11, Monaco on May 23, and Adelaide on November 7). There's probably someone with more wins than that.

On further investigation, I think Button probably leads this stat. It seems that he and Senna are the only two left-handed F1 WDCs.

 

14 of Button's wins (all except Hungary 2006) came during the Obama administration. Of these, the following six were on odd-numbered dates:

  • Australia (March 29, 2009)
  • Malaysia (April 5, 2009)
  • Turkey (June 7, 2009)
  • Hungary (July 31, 2011)
  • Japan (October 9, 2011)
  • Brazil (November 25, 2012)


#5358 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 06:35

Technically not 100%. As a race could be cancelled. Look at Spa this year for the junior categories.

Also, teams can change drivers.



#5359 HistoryFan

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 09:19

This is the first season we have more races than regular driver seats with 20 seats vs 21 races? At least in the winged era.

 

no, 2018 had also 21 races and 20 seats.

 



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#5360 Clatter

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 09:22

That's a meaningless statistic though. The drivers don't have a say in when the next race happens.

 


The title of the thread is "F1 crazy statistics", surely quirks of the calendar fall under that banner.

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 09:35

Ascari

Collins

McLaren*

Arnoux

Mansell

D.Hill (3)

Häkkinen (3)*

Hamilton

 

McLaren and Häkkinen took the first win of their career in the last race of the season and then won the opening race of the following season.

 

Also Häkkinen's first 2 wins were as the result of team orders. Has anyone else in history ever won 2 consecutive races via team orders? Certainly doubt any other "first timers".



#5362 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 09:38

Also Häkkinen's first 2 wins were as the result of team orders. Has anyone else in history ever won 2 consecutive races via team orders? Certainly doubt any other "first timers".


Thats some serious hating on Hakkinen

#5363 Clatter

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 09:41

Thats some serious hating on Hakkinen

 


Is it true or not? Just because you don't like the stat, that doesn't make it hate.

#5364 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 09:48


Is it true or not? Just because you don't like the stat, that doesn't make it hate.


Picking it up is hating

Only a passionate Hakkinen hater would fingerpoint to that stat

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 10:50

Nope, I'm not a Hakkinen hater at all. He had plenty of other more impressive victories... :) 



#5366 Grayson

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 11:00

 

On further investigation, I think Button probably leads this stat. It seems that he and Senna are the only two left-handed F1 WDCs.

 

I think that Kimi Raikkonen is also left handed.

 

Most of his wins (and his WDC) came under Bush Jr though...



#5367 SenorSjon

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 11:39

no, 2018 had also 21 races and 20 seats.

 

 

I got it here, fully expecting the last entry to be 2019...  :drunk:

https://en.wikipedia...ula_One_seasons



#5368 Grayson

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:56

I was interested to note the extent to which the Top 5 spots in every race this year have been dominated by the Top 5 drivers...

 

Here's how many top-5 finishes they've had ater 14 races:

 

Hamilton - 13

Bottas - 12

Verstappen - 12

Leclerc - 12

Vettel - 12

Everyone else put together - 9

 

You can see why there are over 100 points between 5th and 6th in the Championship!



#5369 Myrvold

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 13:06

While I watched the 1999 Italian GP before this years. And while it obviously wasn't how the majority of races went, it was a bit interesting. McLaren and Ferrari dominated the constructor champ, Frentzen in the Jordan had a shot at the title. Jordan in 3rd scored almost double the amount of points as 4th placed Stewart.

In the middle of the Italian GP, it was 5 different teams in the top 6, and the only team with two cars in the points were Williams.Now, Zanardi got tech. issues and fell down to 5th, but still, it was really interesting to watch again.



#5370 Henri Greuter

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 13:25

Thats some serious hating on Hakkinen



Picking it up is hating

Only a passionate Hakkinen hater would fingerpoint to that stat



So by your logics: from now on: everyone who writes something negative about a certain driver hates that driver. Period, no further discussion necessary about that anymore?
Even if it is a case of someone liking a driver but being realistic enough to acknowledge something bad related with that driver.
Bye bye objectivity, thank you very much "Biggest....."

Edited by Henri Greuter, 09 September 2019 - 13:26.


#5371 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 13:30

I think that Kimi Raikkonen is also left handed.
 
Most of his wins (and his WDC) came under Bush Jr though...

finnish-formula-one-driver-kimi-raikkone
 
Weird case, he wears his watch on his right hand, but also uses his right hand to write.
 
Anyway, he has only won one race on an odd-numbered day during Obama's term: the 2013 Australian Grand Prix (March 17).
 
Incidentally, Räikkönen has won races during the terms of three different US presidents: GW Bush, Obama, and Trump. This is as many as:

  • Bruce McLaren (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson)
  • Graham Hill (Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon)
  • Clay Regazzoni (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Mario Andretti (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Ronnie Peterson (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Jody Scheckter (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Nelson Piquet (Carter, Reagan, GHW Bush)
  • Alain Prost (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Ayrton Senna (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Nigel Mansell (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Gerhard Berger (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Michael Schumacher (GHW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush)
  • Rubens Barrichello (Clinton, GW Bush, Obama)
  • Lewis Hamilton (GW Bush, Obama, Trump)
  • Sebastian Vettel (GW Bush, Obama, Trump)

But the record holders are Carlos Reutemann and Niki Lauda, who won during four presidencies: those of Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan.
 
Also, Jack Brabham (who skipped Kennedy) and John Watson (who skipped Carter) won under two different, but non-consecutive potii.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 14:00

Froilan Gonzalez is the only driver to have won British Grands Prix under different British monarchs.



#5373 PlatenGlass

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 14:04


Also Häkkinen's first 2 wins were as the result of team orders. Has anyone else in history ever won 2 consecutive races via team orders? Certainly doubt any other "first timers".

Regardless of anything else I'm not sure this would count as an objective statistic. There would be a lot of grey areas and unknowns.

#5374 Beri

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 14:16

Just quickly from the top of my head, isn't Hulme the sole World Champion originating from a country that has never hosted a Grand Prix?
I know Finland has never hosted a Grand Prix, but they have multiple World Champions

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 14:17

Froilan Gonzalez is the only driver to have won British Grands Prix under different British monarchs.

 

Farina is the only WDC not under the rule of the current British monarch. ;) Fangio did under two British monarchs, which makes him the only one in that stat as well. 



#5376 BRG

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 14:21

Regardless of anything else I'm not sure this would count as an objective statistic. There would be a lot of grey areas and unknowns.

But it IS a crazy statistic -  as in the thread title.



#5377 Grayson

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 15:41

Just quickly from the top of my head, isn't Hulme the sole World Champion originating from a country that has never hosted a Grand Prix?
I know Finland has never hosted a Grand Prix, but they have multiple World Champions

 

Yep, just Hulme and the Finns.

 

I've come up with a few extra countries when you look at race winners rather than WDCs, but not as many as I thought there would be:

 

- Columbia (Montoya)

 

- Venezuala (Maldonado)

 

- Poland (Kubica)

 

I thought we could add Switzerland to the list, but I've just learnt that there was a proper Swiss Grand Prix in the 50s to add to the fake Swiss Grand Prix in the 80s!



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 15:47

Froilan Gonzalez is the only driver to have won British Grands Prix under different British monarchs.

 

And looking at the list likely to remain the only driver to..... unless the unfortunate happens.



#5379 Spillage

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 16:26

Regardless of anything else I'm not sure this would count as an objective statistic. There would be a lot of grey areas and unknowns.

I think this is true, and may apply to the other example I can think of - Rubens Barrichello, 2002 Italian and US GPs. I don't know whether they were team orders exactly, but Schumacher let him through on the line at Indianapolis and finished 0.2s behind at Monza after not looking particularly interested in overtaking.

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#5380 BRG

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 19:31

And looking at the list likely to remain the only driver to..... unless the unfortunate happens.

Sadly, the 'unfortunate' is inevitable and Gonzalez's unique record will be matched quite soon.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 19:42

Sadly, the 'unfortunate' is inevitable and Gonzalez's unique record will be matched quite soon.

 

Depends really whether there's clear change of guard in F1 when inevitable happens.

 

For a race that is more related to the royal family, no driver won Monaco GP during Rainier III's and Albert II's reign.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 19:55

Joakim Bonnier's only World Championship Grand Prix win came when the United States had 49 states.

 

Stirling Moss won the last race with 48 states and the first race with 50 states.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 20:13

Wins by drivers sharing their given name with the papal name of the current Pope:

  • Jack Brabham/John XXIII: 7 wins (1959–1960)
  • Juan Pablo Montoya/John Paul II: 4 wins (2001–2004)


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 20:38

Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli, who as Pius XII was Pope between 1939 and 1958. During this period Eugenio Giuseppe Farina won five WC GPs and a World Championship.

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 21:06

How many countries I wonder have had their drivers win Indy 500 and Monaco on the same day?  If I have time and no one picks it up I'll take a look over next few days.  Obviously it was done last year with Dany Ric taking Monaco and Big Willy P taking Indy for Aus.....



#5386 Collombin

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 21:36

My gut feel is that there won't be many others at all - quite apart from the narrow pool of possible countries, the races didn't directly clash all that often.

Edit - the only real possible I could think of was Brazil in 1989 or 1993, but no clash of dates. So I will say what I initially suspected - I think last year was the only time it's happened.

Edited by Collombin, 09 September 2019 - 21:49.


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Posted 10 September 2019 - 03:55

Picking it up is hating

Only a passionate Hakkinen hater would fingerpoint to that stat

It's pretty well known his first 2 wins were aided by team orders. Well unless you were living under a rock.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 07:37

It's pretty well known his first 2 wins were aided by team orders. Well unless you were living under a rock.


Well, a victory in a Grand Prix is always aided by something

Hills 3 wins in a row in 1993 were aided by superior car and technical troubles for his teammate.

And nobody pointed finger to that

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 08:22

Well, a victory in a Grand Prix is always aided by something

Hills 3 wins in a row in 1993 were aided by superior car and technical troubles for his teammate.

And nobody pointed finger to that



You're probably gonna ignore my post again but still I want to say it....

Hill saved the race for the team, For Williams to win the race they had to rely on Hill to do it for them. Even if they wanted Prost to win, they couldn't give the order to Hill anymore. Prost was out of the race in Hungary '92.

In Australia   correction: Jerez '97 however, McLaren could decide who of their drivers they wanted to take the race that was handed to them on a silver plate. They could decide, they could give orders to select who they wanted to win.
Which they did.


Something entirely different then the situation of Hill and Williams.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 10 September 2019 - 09:31.


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Posted 10 September 2019 - 10:33

Michael Schumacher won Spa & Italy, back to back in 1996, his Ferrari debut season.

 

Monsieur Charles won Spa & Italy, back to back in 2019, his Ferrari debut season.



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Posted 10 September 2019 - 10:40

Michael Schumacher won Spa & Italy, back to back in 1996, his Ferrari debut season.
 
Monsieur Charles won Spa & Italy, back to back in 2019, his Ferrari debut season.


Yet Schumacher won a race in a Ferrari before this back to back feat.

#5392 Clatter

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 10:40

Well, a victory in a Grand Prix is always aided by something

Hills 3 wins in a row in 1993 were aided by superior car and technical troubles for his teammate.

And nobody pointed finger to that

🤣🤣🤣🤣Wow you are desperate.

#5393 Spillage

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 10:40

My gut feel is that there won't be many others at all - quite apart from the narrow pool of possible countries, the races didn't directly clash all that often.

Edit - the only real possible I could think of was Brazil in 1989 or 1993, but no clash of dates. So I will say what I initially suspected - I think last year was the only time it's happened.

In 1965 Graham Hill won in Monaco and Clark won at Indy - but the races were on consecutive days. Perhaps that's the closest apart from last year.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 10:48

Yet Schumacher won a race in a Ferrari before this back to back feat.

 

errr...yea...we all know that. What's your point?



#5395 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 10:58

errr...yea...we all know that. What's your point?


Perhaps, he is trying to diminish Leclerc sucess

#5396 Beri

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:07

Perhaps, he is trying to diminish Leclerc sucess


You are truly a sad and vinegar drinking person aren't you?

The reason why I named Barcelona is because LeClerc his feat is quite more impressive to me. It was even his maiden victory and he did win again a race after. A feat only done by Hakkinen in recent times, if I'm not mistaken.

Saying this makes me wonder, Hakkinen won three races in a row of which the first was his maiden victory. Is there a driver who did this better?

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:10

Saying this makes me wonder, Hakkinen won three races in a row of which the first was his maiden victory. Is there a driver who did this better?


FFS! This has already been answered twice, once on this very page of this thread.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:19

Sadly, the 'unfortunate' is inevitable and Gonzalez's unique record will be matched quite soon.

 

But if the current status quo is maintained and Hamilton, Vettel and Kimi retire about the same time and the Queen dies in the same year.......



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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:42

In 1965 Graham Hill won in Monaco and Clark won at Indy - but the races were on consecutive days. Perhaps that's the closest apart from last year.


That's part of the trouble - they didn't used to race at Indy on Sundays until the 1970s.

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#5400 Beri

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 12:38

FFS! This has already been answered twice, once on this very page of this thread.


Ease off the throttle or the Red Bull, would you? I didn't read it before. Now I did, so I got my answer.