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#5401 D28

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 15:03


 
Incidentally, Räikkönen has won races during the terms of three different US presidents: GW Bush, Obama, and Trump. This is as many as:

  • Bruce McLaren (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson)
  • Graham Hill (Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon)
  • Clay Regazzoni (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Mario Andretti (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Ronnie Peterson (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Jody Scheckter (Nixon, Ford, Carter)
  • Nelson Piquet (Carter, Reagan, GHW Bush)
  • Alain Prost (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Ayrton Senna (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Nigel Mansell (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Gerhard Berger (Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton)
  • Michael Schumacher (GHW Bush, Clinton, GW Bush)
  • Rubens Barrichello (Clinton, GW Bush, Obama)
  • Lewis Hamilton (GW Bush, Obama, Trump)
  • Sebastian Vettel (GW Bush, Obama, Trump)

But the record holders are Carlos Reutemann and Niki Lauda, who won during four presidencies: those of Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan.
 
Also, Jack Brabham (who skipped Kennedy) and John Watson (who skipped Carter) won under two different, but non-consecutive potii.

Not sure I understand the stat, but Brabham won races while Eisenhower, Johnson and Nixon were President (3)


Edited by D28, 10 September 2019 - 15:04.


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#5402 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 15:20

Not sure I understand the stat, but Brabham won races while Eisenhower, Johnson and Nixon were President (3)

Indeed! My mistake, Brabham should be in the list along with the others.



#5403 PlatenGlass

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 15:28

Also Häkkinen's first 2 wins were as the result of team orders. Has anyone else in history ever won 2 consecutive races via team orders? Certainly doubt any other "first timers".

If Coulthard had won in Jerez then that too would have been the result of team orders. Not McLaren's but Williams's orders to back Frentzen into the two McLarens, which caused them to bunch up and allow Coulthard to jump Hakkinen at the stops.

So either winner would have been the result of team orders. Any others like that?

(Though really I stick to my previous position about it being vague and unknown.)

#5404 BRG

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 16:14

But if the current status quo is maintained and Hamilton, Vettel and Kimi retire about the same time and the Queen dies in the same year.......

Let's hope that she is spared for a few years longer and that Charles, Max and other young guns start winning the British GP.

 

Here's a couple of odd stats:

 

The first WC victories for BRM, Honda and Lotus were all taken by drivers who only ever won a single WDC victory - Bonnier, Ginther and Ireland

 

Peter Gethin's sole WC win at the Italian GP victory in 1971 (by a margin of 0.061 secs) was the only WC victory by a driver who took the chequered flag first but had not led a single lap of the race.



#5405 ensign14

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 17:09

Gethin was at the front for three laps in total - all in the final four of the race.  Fitting for the son of jockey to know how to get his nose in front at the right time.

 

And there were other races where the winner only led the final lap; Piquet at Canada 1991 for instance.  Let alone those who won where they led 0 laps (e.g. de Angelis, San Marino 1985; Fagioli, France, 1951).



#5406 Clatter

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 19:17

Gethin was at the front for three laps in total - all in the final four of the race.  Fitting for the son of jockey to know how to get his nose in front at the right time.

 

And there were other races where the winner only led the final lap; Piquet at Canada 1991 for instance.  Let alone those who won where they led 0 laps (e.g. de Angelis, San Marino 1985; Fagioli, France, 1951).

 


How about Buttons 2011 Canadian win. From last to hit the front on the final lap. Vettel led every other lap.

Edited by Clatter, 10 September 2019 - 19:18.


#5407 D28

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 19:48

Gethin was at the front for three laps in total - all in the final four of the race.  Fitting for the son of jockey to know how to get his nose in front at the right time.

 

And there were other races where the winner only led the final lap; Piquet at Canada 1991 for instance.  Let alone those who won where they led 0 laps (e.g. de Angelis, San Marino 1985; Fagioli, France, 1951).

Or Rindt famously at Monaco 1970. My quick source is Marlboro Grand Prix Guide by Jacques Deschenaux, not official results. The guide lists Rindt as leading 1 lap, obviously the last few hundred yards. From this I assumed that the leader is counted at the s/f line and since the winner leads at the checker, it is not possible to win without leading a lap. Is this the case then, what do the official results say? I cannot readily find any results for laps led except for this guide.



#5408 Clatter

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 19:57

Or Rindt famously at Monaco 1970. My quick source is Marlboro Grand Prix Guide by Jacques Deschenaux, not official results. The guide lists Rindt as leading 1 lap, obviously the last few hundred yards. From this I assumed that the leader is counted at the s/f line and since the winner leads at the checker, it is not possible to win without leading a lap. Is this the case then, what do the official results say? I cannot readily find any results for laps led except for this guide.

 


Yes, it's recorded as they cross the s/f line. and the driver is credited the lap, even only being in front for part of it.

#5409 Collombin

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 19:58

You can win without leading a lap by way of post race DQs, shared drives or spectacular administrative error.

#5410 Clatter

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 20:01

You can win without leading a lap by way of post race DQs, shared drives or spectacular administrative error.

 


That's true. Has it ever actually happened?

#5411 ensign14

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 20:02

Yes.  Such as de Angelis at San Marino 1985 and Fagioli at France 1951.



#5412 Clatter

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 20:09

Yes.  Such as de Angelis at San Marino 1985 and Fagioli at France 1951.

 


Was just checking Belgium 1994. Hill took the win after Schumacher was DQ. Can't find a lap chart to see if Hill led at any time.

#5413 D28

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 20:12

You can win without leading a lap by way of post race DQs, shared drives or spectacular administrative error.

OK I understand that. What of the 85 San Marino GP? Prost was disqualified yet a source I have found credits him with leading 3 laps.

The Marlboro Guide gives those laps to de Angelis. The official results then credit Prost with official stats even though disqualified? 

He is disqualified only from the win, any other stats achieved would remain on the record?



#5414 D28

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 20:30

Was just checking Belgium 1994. Hill took the win after Schumacher was DQ. Can't find a lap chart to see if Hill led at any time.

         https://www.statsf1....ue/en-tete.aspx

 

This site has Schumacher leading 43 and Coulthard 1


Edited by D28, 10 September 2019 - 20:33.


#5415 Henri Greuter

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 07:36

OK I understand that. What of the 85 San Marino GP? Prost was disqualified yet a source I have found credits him with leading 3 laps.
The Marlboro Guide gives those laps to de Angelis. The official results then credit Prost with official stats even though disqualified? 
He is disqualified only from the win, any other stats achieved would remain on the record?


Imola '85: Prost had won the race but the car was underweight so he was disqualified. Bizarre race in which a number of cars ran out of fuel in the final stages of the race.

#5416 dissident

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 12:33

With the 2019 WCC all but secured for Mercedes, it has just hit me that throughout the last 3 major rule sets we have the following numbers:

 

- Narrow-body, grooved tyres era (1998-2008):      Ferrari 8/11 WCC's

- Narrow-body slick era (2009-2013):                      Red Bull 4/5 WCC's

- Hybrid era (2014-current):                                    Mercedes 6/6 WCC's and counting

 

While Mercedes hasn't ended their streak yet and Red Bull hasn't been able to come close to another WCC after their dominant period, Ferrari was able to claw back 2 titles once their dominance was temporarily stopped by Renault in 2005-2006.



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 15:04

Was just checking Belgium 1994. Hill took the win after Schumacher was DQ. Can't find a lap chart to see if Hill led at any time.

 

https://www.statsf1....r-par-tour.aspx

 

Apparently not, but DC did lead a lap.

 

I barely remember the race except Barrichello spun out, Schumacher did a 360 over the kerbs and Eau Rouge/Radillon had that horrific chincane

 

Does anyone remember how come DC fell from 1st to 5th?



#5418 PlatenGlass

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 15:19

https://www.statsf1....r-par-tour.aspx

Apparently not, but DC did lead a lap.

I barely remember the race except Barrichello spun out, Schumacher did a 360 over the kerbs and Eau Rouge/Radillon had that horrific chincane

Does anyone remember how come DC fell from 1st to 5th?

Did he have a problem with his rear wing? Plus presumably he only led because of pitstops?

#5419 Atreiu

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 15:37

Did he have a problem with his rear wing? Plus presumably he only led because of pitstops?

 

Kind of, yeah.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=lNP89TpTOC4



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#5420 realracer200

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 21:12

Did he have a problem with his rear wing? Plus presumably he only led because of pitstops?

 

I might be wrong but i vaguely remember he also had some problems with the gearbox.



#5421 HistoryFan

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 08:35

It's the first 1-2 for Ferrari since Hungary 2015

Vettel has a record of 5 Singapore Grand Prix wins (Hamilton has 4).

 

First lead laps of Giovinazzi means that:

he is the first outside the top 3 teams since Great Britain 1985 (Bottas for Williams)

he is the first Italian driver since Fisichella in Belgium 2009

he is the first for Alfa Romeo since de Cesaris in Belgium 1983

 

Hamilton equals Schumacher with the most Grands Prix with lead-laps



#5422 CoolBreeze

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 09:01

Off topic....but first 3 in a row win for Ferrari...since 2004?



#5423 scheivlak

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 09:02

It's the first 1-2 for Ferrari since Hungary 2015

 

Ferrari scored 1-2s in Monaco 2017 and Hungary 2017 (Vettel/Raikkonen).



#5424 screamingV16

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 09:04

Off topic....but first 3 in a row win for Ferrari...since 2004?

Answered that in the other thread you posted it - 4 in a row in 2008.



#5425 scheivlak

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 09:09

Off topic....but first 3 in a row win for Ferrari...since 2004?

In 2006  Ferrari won US-France-Germany and Turkey-Italy-China. In 2008 even four in a row: Malaysia-Bahrain-Spain-Monaco.



#5426 Henri Greuter

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 09:14

Vettel's victory of yesterday means that for the second times since the introduction of the hybrid engines, Mercedes has been beaten three times in a row. (First time was the three opening races of the 2018 season)

Vettel's victory of yesterday means that Ferrari has become the first team within the Hybrid era, other than Mercedes that has managed to winmore than two races in succession.

Red Bull managed to win 2 races in a row in 2014.
Ferrari managed to win 2 races in a row in 2018
Ferrari managed to win 3 races in a row in 2019

Because of the two successive victories of Ferrari in 2018 being followed by a victory for Red Bull, this streak of three by two teams was the first ever occasion Mercedes lost three races in a row in the hybrid era.

I don't bother to look for what is their longest string of victories during the hybrid era.....

Edited by Henri Greuter, 23 September 2019 - 09:16.


#5427 PlatenGlass

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 11:51

It's the first 1-2 for Ferrari since Hungary 2015
Vettel has a record of 5 Singapore Grand Prix wins (Hamilton has 4).
 
First lead laps of Giovinazzi means that:
he is the first outside the top 3 teams since Great Britain 1985 (Bottas for Williams)
he is the first Italian driver since Fisichella in Belgium 2009
he is the first for Alfa Romeo since de Cesaris in Belgium 1983
 
Hamilton equals Schumacher with the most Grands Prix with lead-laps

Do you mean Great Britain 2015 rather than 1985?

Lance Stroll did actually also lead in Germany this year, but I think not at the end of a lap, so it wouldn't appear in the laps led charts. That's pretty arbitrary though. He still led.

#5428 HistoryFan

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 12:49

Ferrari scored 1-2s in Monaco 2017 and Hungary 2017 (Vettel/Raikkonen).

 

äh sorry, I wrote 2015 instead of 2017.
 



#5429 HistoryFan

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 12:50

Do you mean Great Britain 2015 rather than 1985?

Lance Stroll did actually also lead in Germany this year, but I think not at the end of a lap, so it wouldn't appear in the laps led charts. That's pretty arbitrary though. He still led.

 

Yes of course, 2015.

 



#5430 Henri Greuter

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 11:27


Vettel's victory of yesterday means that for the second times since the introduction of the hybrid engines, Mercedes has been beaten three times in a row. (First time was the three opening races of the 2018 season)

Vettel's victory of yesterday means that Ferrari has become the first team within the Hybrid era, other than Mercedes that has managed to winmore than two races in succession.

Red Bull managed to win 2 races in a row in 2014.
Ferrari managed to win 2 races in a row in 2018
Ferrari managed to win 3 races in a row in 2019

Because of the two successive victories of Ferrari in 2018 being followed by a victory for Red Bull, this streak of three by two teams was the first ever occasion Mercedes lost three races in a row in the hybrid era.



Based on the stats listed above as well as the mentioning elsewhere on this forum that in the last 7 races, Mercedes won only twice, I have taken the efforts to find out how often Mrecedes has had a string of 7 races in which they won only twice and if this is indeed their worst score for being victorious in a string of 7 races.

Since the hybrid era started, we have had 115 races, This enables to make 109 different strings of 7 successive races, as long as we don't restrict ourselves to 7 races within a single season. Maybe if I'm in the mood to have a look on those I'll dig into that....

Anyway: The number of different strings of 7 successive races we can make with the least amount of victories is: 2 victories in 4 different strings of 7 races. In other words: the last 7 races are only the 4th ever time in which Mercedes scored 2/7

The other figures? Here we go:

2/7: 4 different strings of 7 successive events (first such a string: Mexico '18 to Azerbeidjan '18)
3/7: 11 different strings of 7 successive events
4/7: 14 different strings of 7 successive events
5/7: 29 different strings of 7 successive events
6/7: 36 different strings of 7 successive events
7/7: 15 different strings of 7 successive events

#5431 Forghieri

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 20:13

I could not find these, sorry.

 

What constructor has the most retirements in the history of F1?

What constructor has the most finishes outside the points?

 

Thank you!



#5432 Fatgadget

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 20:29

I could not find these, sorry.

 

What constructor has the most retirements in the history of F1?

What constructor has the most finishes outside the points?

 

Thank you!

I think Life in there!



#5433 Forghieri

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 20:32

I think Life in there!

 

I meant overall, not in percentage. I guess Sauber or Minardi could be the second answer, but I have no clue for the first one.



#5434 noriaki

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 20:53

I think Life in there!


Life don't have any retirements nor finishes outside of points as they never even qualified for a GP

#5435 Fatgadget

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 21:02

It's the first 1-2 for Ferrari since Hungary 2015

Vettel has a record of 5 Singapore Grand Prix wins (Hamilton has 4).

 

First lead laps of Giovinazzi means that:

he is the first outside the top 3 teams since Great Britain 1985 (Bottas for Williams)

he is the first Italian driver since Fisichella in Belgium 2009

he is the first for Alfa Romeo since de Cesaris in Belgium 1983

 

Hamilton equals Schumacher with the most Grands Prix with lead-laps

:eek:



#5436 TheFish

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 08:17

:eek:

 

It's incorrect. It's 2017 not 2015.



#5437 huggybear

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 08:30

I could not find these, sorry.

 

What constructor has the most retirements in the history of F1?

What constructor has the most finishes outside the points?

 

Thank you!

 

Based solely on the number of entries, Ferrari must have the most retirements. They've had 69 years of competing. That's a full 16 years more than any other constructor.



#5438 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 08:30



First lead laps of Giovinazzi means that:
he is the first outside the top 3 teams since Great Britain 1985 (Bottas for Williams)


Wat???

#5439 Spillage

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 08:41

It's 2015 rather than 1985. Unless Bottas is a lot older than he looks :p

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#5440 bibliophagos

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 10:37

It's 2015 rather than 1985. Unless Bottas is a lot older than he looks :p

 

Williams was the 3rd team in 2015...

 

 

Edit: Ricciardo led 7 laps in Austin in  2015 though, so technically that would be the last time someone outside the top 3 teams led a race


Edited by bibliophagos, 25 September 2019 - 10:41.


#5441 statman

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 13:21

on the feed, but haven't checked this:

 

George Russell just out-qualified Robert Kubica for the 16th time in a row. Other times a driver out-qualifying their teammate that number of times in sequence were Ayrton Senna in 1986 (vs. Johnny Dumfries) and 1987 (vs. Saturo Nakajima), and Alain Prost in 1987 (vs. Stefan Johansson).


Edited by statman, 28 September 2019 - 13:26.


#5442 PayasYouRace

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 13:23

Must be Prost in 1987.

#5443 lustigson

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 15:12

Is Robert Shwartzman’s F3 championship win the first time a Russian driver takes an FIA championship?

 

In other news: Nyck de Vries’ F2 title is only the second time a Dutch driver wins an F2 level championship. The last time was Tom Coronel in Formula Nippon in 1999.

 

Edit: one might consider Nicky Pastorelli a champion of a second-tier championship with the 2004 Euroseries title.


Edited by lustigson, 28 September 2019 - 15:32.


#5444 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 15:14

Is Robert Shwartzman’s F3 championship win the first time a Russian driver takes an FIA championship?

Leonid Novitskiy won the FIA World Cup for Cross-Country Rallies in 2010 and 2011. Vladimir Vasilyev also won it in 2014.



#5445 lustigson

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 15:17

Leonid Novitskiy won the FIA World Cup for Cross-Country Rallies in 2010 and 2011. Vladimir Vasilyev also won it in 2014.

 

Ah, I didn’t know that. Although his win would make Shwartzman the first circuit championship winner.



#5446 Starchild

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 15:43

In other news: Nyck de Vries’ F2 title is only the second time a Dutch driver wins an F2 level championship. The last time was Tom Coronel in Formula Nippon in 1999.

 

Edit: one might consider Nicky Pastorelli a champion of a second-tier championship with the 2004 Euroseries title.

What about Robin Frijns in 2012. in FR3.5?



#5447 lustigson

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 15:49

What about Robin Frijns in 2012. in FR3.5?


I just thought of him, too, but it depends on how you define second tier championship.

#5448 PayasYouRace

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 16:30

I'm sure there's a non-F1 crazy statistics thread for this stuff.



#5449 lustigson

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 18:45

What about Robin Frijns in 2012. in FR3.5?

 

Oh, and Giedo van der Garde 4 years prior, too.

 

I'm sure there's a non-F1 crazy statistics thread for this stuff.

 

But you’re right, this doesn’t really belong here.

 

*Is* there non-F1 thread?



#5450 Anderis

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 18:57

Williams was the 3rd team in 2015...

 

 

Edit: Ricciardo led 7 laps in Austin in  2015 though, so technically that would be the last time someone outside the top 3 teams led a race

It's incredible and depressing how little diversity we're getting these days.

 

In 2008 15 different drivers led at least a lap. And on average it was around 10-11 different drivers per year up until 2015.


Edited by Anderis, 28 September 2019 - 19:00.