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#5551 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 16:32

Personally, I’d rather be on the <1 side of that list.



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#5552 BRG

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 16:54

So with two events to go, will Hulkenberg keep the title of no of races without a podium finish?

I hope so, otherwise he will have absolutely nothing unique to remind him of his time in F1.

 

He can do it, I have faith in him!



#5553 John B

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 17:16

Looks like Rene Arnoux registers a 2.6 on the pole/win ratio. In 3 of his pole-winning years he was running at the finish of 7 races or less, just 5 in 1982.



#5554 prty

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 18:17

Just saw this, quite interesting perspective.

 

Schumacher and Alonso are really stubborn by the way :lol:

 

 

(Mods: I didn't see any appropriate thread, feel free to move the post if needed)


Edited by prty, 14 November 2019 - 18:18.


#5555 PayasYouRace

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 18:56

Took me a second to realise what was going on there. So it's normalised by time since debut. I do like a nice animated bar chart.

 

Two things that do bother me. The Indy 500 winners provide something of a false result, but that's only a minor thing. What really bothers me is that whoever made it didn't keep the same colours for each driver in the little total wins graph. So Hamilton is red on the chart and grey on the graph, etc. That makes it really hard to read quickly, which is important in an animation.

 

Also impressed with Damon Hill. He made great use of the cars he was given, when arguably more talented drivers didn't achieve such high ratios.



#5556 PlatenGlass

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 19:12

Also impressed with Damon Hill. He made great use of the cars he was given, when arguably more talented drivers didn't achieve such high ratios.

I would just say that it shows he had a great car for a much higher proportion of races than most other drivers. It's not something to be impressed with him about. But I suppose you could say he maximised what talent he did have!

#5557 PlatenGlass

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 19:28

Took me a second to realise what was going on there. So it's normalised by time since debut. I do like a nice animated bar chart.

I'm not sure I get what it's doing actually, having watched Lee Wallard's bar travelling up to 50% rather than jumping there in one fell swoop. Is it drawing straight lines between each race that they do?

Plus having just looked at Wallard's Wikipedia article, it would appear that he actually failed to qualify for a later Indy, so his ratio would only be 33.3% for entries. Not sure why, but throughout history people seem more concerned with race starts than entries. I would have thought entries would be more appropriate here.

Edited by PlatenGlass, 14 November 2019 - 19:30.


#5558 prty

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Posted 14 November 2019 - 19:34

I'm not sure I get what it's doing actually, having watched Lee Wallard's bar travelling up to 50% rather than jumping there in one fell swoop. Is it drawing straight lines between each race that they do?

 

That's my guess, there is some interpolation between data points, otherwise the animation would be jerky. It also would explain why Schumacher was losing a little during his retiring years before coming back to Mercedes.



#5559 statman

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 09:05

The only two qualifying sessions to have taken place on Christian Horner's birthday have BOTH resulted in his car being on pole position (USA 2013, Brazil 2019). What a bizarre stat considering @redbullracing only have 5 poles in the hybrid era! #BrazilianGP

 

 

Lewis Hamilton is now in his longest pole position drought (9 races) since joining Mercedes #F1 #BrazilGP



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#5560 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 20:45

Fun stats from Brazil:

  • First Honda 1-2 since the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix (Senna/Berger for McLaren).
  • Gasly becomes the youngest French driver to score a podium (23 years, 9 months and 10 days), beating Jean Alesi (2nd place at USA 1990 at the age of 25 years and 9 months).

Assuming Sainz does not get demoted:

  • Gasly and Sainz scored their first podium finish. This is the first time since the 1994 German Grand Prix when two drivers have scored their first podium. That time it was Panis in 2nd and Bernard in 3rd.
  • Youngest podium of all time (average age of 23 years, 8 months and 13 days), beating Italy 2008 (Vettel/Kovalainen/Kubica).
  • First podium that consists entirely of drivers born in the 1990s.


#5561 Balnazzard

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 20:51

Also first time since USA 2013 that there wasnt single Ferrari or Mercedes driver in top 3!



#5562 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 20:57

Also, this was Sainz's 101st Formula One race. Brundle currently holds the record for being the most experienced driver to score his maiden podium (he did it at his 91st race: France 1992). And if you don't think Brundle counts (considering the Tyrrell 1984 situation), next highest is Mika Salo who scored a podium at his 73rd race (Germany 1999).



#5563 Clatter

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 21:18

Also first time since USA 2013 that there wasnt single Ferrari or Mercedes driver in top 3!

 


And no Ferrari or Mercedes engine either. The really did blank this weekend.

#5564 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 21:50

Wasn't it also the first race the FL point wasn't given?



#5565 Anja

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 21:55

Gasly and Sainz scored their first podium finish. This is the first time since the 1994 German Grand Prix when two drivers have scored their first podium. That time it was Panis in 2nd and Bernard in 3rd.

 

I was just thinking about this one. 25 years, wow. 



#5566 SpaceHorseParty

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 21:56

Wasn't it also the first race the FL point wasn't given?

No, that would be the 1960 Argentine Grand Prix   ;)

But to answer your question, Magnussen got the fastest lap in Singapore and was classified 17th, so there has been at least one race this season where the FL point wasn't awarded.



#5567 Myrvold

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 21:57

Wasn't it also the first race the FL point wasn't given?

 

Nope, Singapore IIRC. Don't think anything before that in 2019.

 

EDIT: Meh, ninja'd!


Edited by Myrvold, 17 November 2019 - 21:57.


#5568 DeKnyff

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 22:13

Sainz scored today the 100th podium of a Spanish driver in Formula 1.

 

It's not that they are evenly balanced!

 

Fernando Alonso: 97 podiums

Alfonso de Portago: 1 podium (shared with Peter Collins)

Pedro de la Rosa: 1 podium

Carlos Sainz: 1 podium



#5569 Marklar

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 22:39

Also first time since USA 2013 that there wasnt single Ferrari or Mercedes driver in top 3!

Also first time since Canada 2008 that no Mercedes or Ferrari powered car is on the podium, I think.



#5570 PayasYouRace

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 22:40

Sainz scored today the 100th podium of a Spanish driver in Formula 1.

 

It's not that they are evenly balanced!

 

Fernando Alonso: 97 podiums

Alfonso de Portago: 1 podium (shared with Peter Collins)

Pedro de la Rosa: 1 podium

Carlos Sainz: 1 podium

 

So I guess the first (de Portago) and the most recent (Sainz) have "shared" their podium with an Englishman, so to speak.



#5571 Spillage

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 22:52

This was the first season McLaren had fielded a driver lineup with no career podiums between them. Obviously that's now changed - it's just a shame Carlos didn't get to go up there :(

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 23:01

Also first time since Canada 2008 that no Mercedes or Ferrari powered car is on the podium, I think.

Monaco 2010 was full Renault.... and Bahrain 2012 and 2013 plus Germany, Korea, Japan and USA 2013 too.


Edited by scheivlak, 17 November 2019 - 23:06.


#5573 NixxxoN

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 23:10

Monaco 2010 was full Renault.... and Bahrain 2012 and 2013 plus Germany, Korea, Japan and USA 2013 too.

Yep I suspected that, V8 frozen era was dominated by Renault engines

#5574 Marklar

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 23:16

I forgot about Lotus running Renault engines. Silly

With that the only drivers on the Grid without podiums are

Norris 20 GPs
Russel 20 GPs
Albon 20 GPs
Giovinazzi 22 GPs
Hulkenberg 176 GPs

Quite surprised by this, Hulkenberg really is cursed.

#5575 HistoryFan

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:34

 

Fun stats from Brazil:

  • First Honda 1-2 since the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix (Senna/Berger for McLaren).
  • Gasly and Sainz scored their first podium finish. This is the first time since the 1994 German Grand Prix when two drivers have scored their first podium. That time it was Panis in 2nd and Bernard in 3rd.

 

 

And the first Honda 1-2 with drivers from different teams since Italy 1987 (Piquet Williams, Senna Lotus)

And the first 2 drivers scored their first podium finish by 2 different teams since Japan 1990 (Moreno Lotus, Suzuki Larrousse)



#5576 Henri Greuter

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:37

Also, whisper it: the first podium score for a Renault engine in 2019......

And STILL needing a customer team for it to achieve it.



EDIT: OK, on a more positive note: Renault is the only engine supplier who have two teams using their engine in the top 5 for the constructors. So it isn't all too dark...

Edited by Henri Greuter, 18 November 2019 - 09:40.


#5577 HistoryFan

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:41

what drivers scored podiums without celebrating on the podium (as Sainz in Brazil 2019)?



#5578 Clatter

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:45

And the first Honda 1-2 with drivers from different teams since Italy 1987 (Piquet Williams, Senna Lotus)
And the first 2 drivers scored their first podium finish by 2 different teams since Japan 1990 (Moreno Lotus, Suzuki Larrousse)

But for Hamilton's faux pas it could have been a Honda 1-3, had that ever happened before?

#5579 CoolBreeze

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:48

I hope so, otherwise he will have absolutely nothing unique to remind him of his time in F1.

 

He can do it, I have faith in him!

 

Isnt he the last Williams pole sitter>? 



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#5580 bibliophagos

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:50

Isnt he the last Williams pole sitter>? 

 

That would be Maldonado, I think



#5581 Anja

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:51

With that the only drivers on the Grid without podiums are

Norris 20 GPs
Russel 20 GPs
Albon 20 GPs
Giovinazzi 22 GPs
Hulkenberg 176 GPs

Quite surprised by this, Hulkenberg really is cursed.

 

At the start of the 2020 season there will only be 6* drivers on the grid without a podium, the least since 2009 (4 such drivers started that season). 

 

*assuming Latifi in the second Williams seat and no first-time podiums in Abu Dhabi



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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:53

But for Hamilton's faux pas it could have been a Honda 1-3, had that ever happened before?


I'm certain that must have happened quite a lot, they were supplying at least one top team from 1986 to 1992.

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:55

what drivers scored podiums without celebrating on the podium (as Sainz in Brazil 2019)?

 

Brazil 2003. Alonso was not there to receive trophy for 3rd after his crashed brought a red flag that ended the race

 

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Fisi received the winning trophy on the next GP as well, after Kimi being declared winner on the GP's day.



#5584 JeePee

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 09:58

what drivers scored podiums without celebrating on the podium (as Sainz in Brazil 2019)?

Ricciardo in Mexico 2016. Verstappen was first bumped off the podium for cutting the track and getting a +5 sec penalty. Vettel went on to get his trophy only to also get a +5 sec for moving under braking. Ricciardo was gifted P3 but wasn't on the podium.



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Posted 18 November 2019 - 10:04

When was the last time we had 2 non class A's, i.e. not Mercedes, Ferrari or RB on the podium?

 

I believe it was Abu Dhabi 2014 when we had HAM-MAS-BOT but not sure?

 

Also if Albon doesn't finish on the podium in Abu Dhabi, will be the first time since 2008 when both RB drivers haven't been on the podium at least once. In that season, Webber failed to finish in the top 3.



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Posted 18 November 2019 - 10:05

what drivers scored podiums without celebrating on the podium (as Sainz in Brazil 2019)?


Button Melbourne 2014. (Which funnily enough was also McLaren’s last podium)

Edited by Jazza, 18 November 2019 - 10:06.


#5587 Henri Greuter

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 10:24

what drivers scored podiums without celebrating on the podium (as Sainz in Brazil 2019)?



Jos (father of....) Verstappen: 4th in Belgium 1994 but MS was disqualified after the race because of the wooden plank under the car being too thin.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 18 November 2019 - 11:13.


#5588 Grayson

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 10:42

I forgot about Lotus running Renault engines. Silly

With that the only drivers on the Grid without podiums are

Norris 20 GPs
Russel 20 GPs
Albon 20 GPs
Giovinazzi 22 GPs
Hulkenberg 176 GPs

Quite surprised by this, Hulkenberg really is cursed.

 

Wow - so this season's four rookies (if we don't count Gio's two races for Sauber as an F1 season) plus Hulk? That's crazy!

 

On a slightly more pedestrian note, I believe that the 22, 23 and 25 year olds "on" the podium yesterday must make up the youngest F1 podium ever?



#5589 NixxxoN

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:14

I forgot about Lotus running Renault engines. Silly

With that the only drivers on the Grid without podiums are

Norris 20 GPs
Russel 20 GPs
Albon 20 GPs
Giovinazzi 22 GPs
Hulkenberg 176 GPs

Quite surprised by this, Hulkenberg really is cursed.

That Hulk statistic will be hardly beatable (will end with 177 at Abu Dhabi)
Poor guy I feel for him, he had the talent to get one if not several podiums for sure
I mean a driver like Grosjean has 10 of them...

Edited by NixxxoN, 18 November 2019 - 11:15.


#5590 Henri Greuter

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:19

That Hulk statistic will be hardly beatable (will end with 177 at Abu Dhabi)
Poor guy I feel for him, he had the talent to get one if not several podiums for sure
I mean a driver like Grosjean has 10 of them...



Most ironic and heartbreaking of it all would have been if Hulk had finished fourth yesterday, behind Lewis.
Perhaps for the better that this didn't happen?

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:19

But for Hamilton's faux pas it could have been a Honda 1-3, had that ever happened before?


The first Honda 1-2-3 was also their only 1-2-3-4, at the 1987 British GP (Mansell, Piquet, Senna, Nakajima). There were several more 1-2-3’s.

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:26

I'm certain that must have happened quite a lot, they were supplying at least one top team from 1986 to 1992.

San Marino 1988 was a Honda 1-2-3 with Senna, Prost, Piquet. In 1987, you had Piquet, Mansell and Senna all with Honda engines so I'm guessing they were all on the podium at least once, but I've found one example and that's enough for now!

Edit - Oh it's already been done!

Edited by PlatenGlass, 18 November 2019 - 11:26.


#5593 Marklar

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:29

wow

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An amazing stat that I've just found out: besides the three-car crash at Singapore in 2017, this was the very first time in #F1 history that both Ferraris took each other out of the race! I can't believe it had never happened before. #BrazilGP

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:30

Most ironic and heartbreaking of it all would have been if Hulk had finished fourth yesterday, behind Lewis.
Perhaps for the better that this didn't happen?

Hulk was nowhere yesterday though, Ric had the crash with Magnussen yet finished comfortably above him... he lacks something, on crazy races like that he is not there to take advantage of it.

On another note

Carlos Sainz now holds the record of most GP's started before first podium (101)
https://www.statsf1....m/gp-avant.aspx

Also Esteban Ocon will be next year the driver with most GP starts without a podium (50) providing that Hulk is out of F1.

Edited by NixxxoN, 18 November 2019 - 11:33.


#5595 SenorSjon

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:33

wow

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An amazing stat that I've just found out: besides the three-car crash at Singapore in 2017, this was the very first time in #F1 history that both Ferraris took each other out of the race! I can't believe it had never happened before. #BrazilGP

 

Well, Vettel will at least have some records at his Ferrari-tenure.



#5596 Henri Greuter

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:38

wow

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An amazing stat that I've just found out: besides the three-car crash at Singapore in 2017, this was the very first time in #F1 history that both Ferraris took each other out of the race! I can't believe it had never happened before. #BrazilGP



Call me crazy, call me stupid but I have memories about a crash between Lauda and Reggazoni in '74 or 75 but where? And maybe that didn't cause both cars to retire?

Edited by Henri Greuter, 18 November 2019 - 11:38.


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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:42

Call me crazy, call me stupid but I have memories about a crash between Lauda and Reggazoni in '74 or 75 but where? And maybe that didn't cause both cars to retire?

 

 

1976 Brands Hatch?  But Lauda could continue, I think

 

 

 

Edit: had a look, Lauda went on to win after the race was stopped and restarted. So they did not retire both :)


Edited by bibliophagos, 18 November 2019 - 11:46.


#5598 Spillage

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:43

Yesterday was Toro Rosso's third podium - including the twenty seasons they spent as Minardi. These three podiums have come from a first, a second and a third.

#5599 Mart280

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:59

Isnt he the last Williams pole sitter>? 

 

 

That would be Maldonado, I think

Massa is the last Williams pole sitter, Austria 2014.



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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:00

wow

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An amazing stat that I've just found out: besides the three-car crash at Singapore in 2017, this was the very first time in #F1 history that both Ferraris took each other out of the race! I can't believe it had never happened before. #BrazilGP

Monaco 1995 start Ferraris "took each other out of the race". The race was restarted so one got back in the spare car. Semantics...

 

An asterisk to this last race is that they both were classified.