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#5601 Anderis

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:04

Hulk was nowhere yesterday though, Ric had the crash with Magnussen yet finished comfortably above him... he lacks something, on crazy races like that he is not there to take advantage of it.

That race only got crazy with few laps to go. It's always a bit random what races turn out to be crazy. Hulkenberg has 12 top5 and 32 top6 finishes during his career. It's not much beyond random chance that a final-laps carnage among top cars like yesterday never happened in one of those races but it did in races which he didn't do that well in. I'm sure that if you could turn the time back and re-run Hulk's F1 career 100 times with some minimal changes, he would have got at least one podium in most of those careers. But unlikely things are also bound to happen once in a while and Hulk not getting an F1 podium during his career is one of those things in my opinion.



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#5602 NixxxoN

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:08

That race only got crazy with few laps to go. It's always a bit random what races turn out to be crazy. Hulkenberg has 12 top5 and 32 top6 finishes during his career. It's not much beyond random chance that a final-laps carnage among top cars like yesterday never happened in one of those races but it did in races which he didn't do that well in. I'm sure that if you could turn the time back and re-run Hulk's F1 career 100 times with some minimal changes, he would have got at least one podium in most of those careers. But unlikely things are also bound to happen once in a while and Hulk not getting an F1 podium during his career is one of those things in my opinion.

Sergio Perez was his team mate 3 years at Force india, each year got at least 1 podium, 4 in total.
Hulk seems to be one of those who isn't ambitious enough, he seems to think... "Okay, I got a bunch of points and a solid 5th place, I'm happy" and thats it. I dont know

#5603 PayasYouRace

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:09

The first Honda 1-2-3 was also their only 1-2-3-4, at the 1987 British GP (Mansell, Piquet, Senna, Nakajima). There were several more 1-2-3’s.

 

So of the current manufacturers, I know that Mercedes have 1-2-3-4s going back the Moss, Fangio, Kling and Taruffi at the 1995 British Grand Prix. Renault has had 1-2-3-4s and the earliest I know of was Hill, Villeneuve, Alesi and Berger at the 1996 French Grand Prix.

 

Have Ferrari had a 1-2-3-4?



#5604 JRodrigues

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:20

Well, Vettel will at least have some records at his Ferrari-tenure.

 

Singapore 2017?



#5605 Henri Greuter

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:28

1976 Brands Hatch?  But Lauda could continue, I think
 
 
 
Edit: had a look, Lauda went on to win after the race was stopped and restarted. So they did not retire both :)



Must dig into it when I have time but one way or another I keep thinking about Barcelona or Long Beach being the track it happened.
But again, I need to look into it.

#5606 Collombin

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:38

Probably the 1975 Spanish GP is what you're thinking of.

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:42

So of the current manufacturers, I know that Mercedes have 1-2-3-4s going back the Moss, Fangio, Kling and Taruffi at the 1995 British Grand Prix. Renault has had 1-2-3-4s and the earliest I know of was Hill, Villeneuve, Alesi and Berger at the 1996 French Grand Prix.

 

Have Ferrari had a 1-2-3-4?

 

Belgium '61 springs to mind - they entered a yellow Sharknose for local boy Gendebien.



#5608 Tim Murray

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:53

Ferrari also had a 1-2-3-4 in the 1952 German GP, although Rudi Fischer’s car in third place wasn’t a full works entry.

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 14:31

So of the current manufacturers, I know that Mercedes have 1-2-3-4s going back the Moss, Fangio, Kling and Taruffi at the 1995 British Grand Prix.

 

And a more recent one - I remember a couple of Hamilton/Rosberg/Bottas/Massa lockouts when Mercedes had a noticeable engine advantage (2014? 2015?)



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Posted 18 November 2019 - 16:16

Yesterday was Toro Rosso's third podium - including the twenty seasons they spent as Minardi. These three podiums have come from a first, a second and a third.

And to think that two of those podiums came this year, both from rather crazy races....who would have guessed

Anyhow they fully deserve to get that 6th place in the WCC.


Edited by Balnazzard, 18 November 2019 - 16:16.


#5611 BRG

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 16:49

wow

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An amazing stat that I've just found out: besides the three-car crash at Singapore in 2017, this was the very first time in #F1 history that both Ferraris took each other out of the race! I can't believe it had never happened before. #BrazilGP

So... an amazing unique stat?  Except for the time it happened before?  Try harder Benjamin!

 

So of the current manufacturers, I know that Mercedes have 1-2-3-4s going back the Moss, Fangio, Kling and Taruffi at the 1995 British Grand Prix. Renault has had 1-2-3-4s and the earliest I know of was Hill, Villeneuve, Alesi and Berger at the 1996 French Grand Prix.

 

Have Ferrari had a 1-2-3-4?

Not a current manufacturer, but Ford Cosworth did rather better, getting some clean sweeps - eg 1973 Monaco all eleven classified finishers were Cosworth powered.



#5612 Bleu

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 17:55

Of the drivers who have got their first podium without celebrating there immediately after the race Eddie Cheever, Teo Fabi and Ivan Capelli come to my mind. I think Capelli even achieved his second podium before the first as the disqualification of Benettons in Belgium became official only after the 1988 season while Capelli managed to finish 2nd in Portugal. Cheever and Fabi also got the chance to be on the podium later.

 

 

 

Magnussen and Boutsen both finished 3rd to achieve first podiums but they were then promoted to 2nd.



#5613 Collombin

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 18:21

Magnussen and Boutsen both finished 3rd to achieve first podiums but they were then promoted to 2nd.


Initial reports after the race had Boutsen winning.

#5614 PlatenGlass

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 22:36

Initial reports after the race had Boutsen winning.

There was a suggestion that both Prost and De Angelis had underweight cars at Imola in 1985 after the race, but you never hear it mentioned now. I'm not sure what happened really.

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 23:01

Another fun one from this weekend - all three of the top three finishers made their debut with Toro Rosso.

Anyone know how much further back you have to go for another example? I can't think of any more recent than Bahrain 2008 - Massa, Raikkonen and Kubica, all of whom made their debut for Sauber.


Edited by Spillage, 18 November 2019 - 23:13.


#5616 PlatenGlass

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 23:11

Another fun one from this weekend - all three of the top three finishers made their debut with Toro Rosso.

Anyone know how much further back you have to go for another example? I can't think of any more recent than Bahrain 2008 - Massa, Raikkonen and Kubica, all of whom made their debut for Waiver.

Waiver? Is that a joke I'm missing or some dodgy autocorrect?

I don't really see BMW as the same as Sauber really though.

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 23:17

It was an autocorrect, sorry. It is of course debatable whether BMW Sauber and Sauber are the same team, but if it doesn't count then I've no idea when the last time the three podium finishers all debuted for the same team was. Maybe Hungary 2002, when Barrichello won with the Schumacher brothers second and third?

EDIT: Actually it could be the farcical 2005 US GP, where all three podium drivers also made their debut with Jordan - Schumacher, Barrichello and Monteiro.

Edited by Spillage, 18 November 2019 - 23:21.


#5618 scheivlak

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 23:58

1970 US GP: E.Fittipaldi-P.Rodriguez-Wisell

 

All made their F1 debuts for Lotus, Rodriguez at the US GP in 1963.


Edited by scheivlak, 18 November 2019 - 23:58.


#5619 D28

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 03:14

So of the current manufacturers, I know that Mercedes have 1-2-3-4s going back the Moss, Fangio, Kling and Taruffi at the 1995 British Grand Prix. Renault has had 1-2-3-4s and the earliest I know of was Hill, Villeneuve, Alesi and Berger at the 1996 French Grand Prix.

 

Have Ferrari had a 1-2-3-4?

Cooper-Climax swept the first 4 at French GP in 1960. split between the works Team and Yeoman Credit.  Cooper chassis filled 7 of 10 places a great outing for Coopers.



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#5620 John B

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 03:50

Watson, Mansell, and Patrese were promoted to top 3s after DQs at Brazil and Long Beach in early 1982.

How does TR rank in longest time between podiums for a team?

Edited by John B, 19 November 2019 - 03:55.


#5621 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:10

How does TR rank in longest time between podiums for a team?


Slightly surprisingly, only eighth on the all-time list;

https://www.statsf1....dium/ecart.aspx

#5622 SenorSjon

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 08:00

It doesn't count current streaks?



#5623 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:08

McLaren at 13 is a new entry following Sunday’s race.

#5624 TradeMark

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:13

Slightly surprisingly, only eighth on the all-time list;

https://www.statsf1....dium/ecart.aspx

 


Well, this one includes the periods where the teams were not active (see Mercedes for example). That makes up pretty much the whole top of the list.

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:41

Well, this one includes the periods where the teams were not active (see Mercedes for example). That makes up pretty much the whole top of the list.

 

I believe for teams that have not left and come back, its Lola followed by Toro Rosso

 

The Mercedes, Honda, Alfa Romeo etc. were completely different teams



#5626 sopa

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:01

With that the only drivers on the Grid without podiums are

Norris 20 GPs
Russel 20 GPs
Albon 20 GPs
Giovinazzi 22 GPs
Hulkenberg 176 GPs

Quite surprised by this, Hulkenberg really is cursed.

 

So, Hulk is now confirmed to be the worst driver on the grid, others can be excused for being rookies. Naysayers would have a field day with this.  :stoned:



#5627 KavB

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:08

Sergio Perez was his team mate 3 years at Force india, each year got at least 1 podium, 4 in total.
Hulk seems to be one of those who isn't ambitious enough, he seems to think... "Okay, I got a bunch of points and a solid 5th place, I'm happy" and thats it. I dont know

Funnily enough, he would have had a podium by now had he been less ambitious in Brazil 2012. He could have settled for 2nd but instead he wanted to go for the win. 



#5628 sopa

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:10

Well, I guess Gasly, Kvyat, Sainz, Magnussen, Grosjean and Stroll are all more ambitious than Hulkenberg. Makes sense. :cat:


Edited by sopa, 19 November 2019 - 10:12.


#5629 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:51

wow

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An amazing stat that I've just found out: besides the three-car crash at Singapore in 2017, this was the very first time in #F1 history that both Ferraris took each other out of the race! I can't believe it had never happened before. #BrazilGP


Monza 1995

TV camera fell from one Ferrari damaging its own rear suspension and front suspension of other Ferrari

#5630 SenorSjon

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:52

Monza 1995

TV camera fell from one Ferrari damaging its own rear suspension and front suspension of other Ferrari

 

Iirc not in the same lap though. ;) 



#5631 Gambelli

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:54

Monza 1995

TV camera fell from one Ferrari damaging its own rear suspension and front suspension of other Ferrari

 

I remember that :(



#5632 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:56

Iirc not in the same lap though. ;)


But technically they did took eachother out.

#5633 JeePee

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 13:36

The podium of the Brazilian Grand Prix featured a 1 stop, a 2 stop and a 3 stop strategy.

 

Has this happened before during the Pirelli era?



#5634 Marklar

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 13:46

Monaco 2011 maybe?

#5635 Henri Greuter

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 14:40

Probably the 1975 Spanish GP is what you're thinking of.


Yup, that was it. But according Wikipedia (So for what it is worth.....) Andretti ran into Lauda who then ran into Reggazoni and both were out. So I don't think that it a genuine case of Ferrari's elimination another unassisted. Not that I can recall any other case but there might be more cases in the past when one Ferrari was hit, running into the other and both retiring because of that.

#5636 goldenboy

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 14:50

Yesterday was Toro Rosso's third podium - including the twenty seasons they spent as Minardi. These three podiums have come from a first, a second and a third.

That's shocking to me. I really thought there would have been a few more lucky one's than that over the years.

#5637 goldenboy

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 14:51

Sergio Perez was his team mate 3 years at Force india, each year got at least 1 podium, 4 in total.
Hulk seems to be one of those who isn't ambitious enough, he seems to think... "Okay, I got a bunch of points and a solid 5th place, I'm happy" and thats it. I dont know

That's got to be one of the silliest things I've read on here, which is really saying something.

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 15:33

Sergio Perez was his team mate 3 years at Force india, each year got at least 1 podium, 4 in total.
Hulk seems to be one of those who isn't ambitious enough, he seems to think... "Okay, I got a bunch of points and a solid 5th place, I'm happy" and thats it. I dont know

 

 

When Hulk was racing for Porsche in Le Mans in 2015 and leading the race he called in over the pit radio to the team and asked if he can drop to fifth or even possibly sixth if the team would allow it. His words literally were: "lets get some points so we can be happy". So you are bang on with your assessment. That's the post of the year, right there, if you ask me.  :up:



#5639 goldenboy

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 15:36

When Hulk was racing for Porsche in Le Mans in 2015 and leading the race he called in over the pit radio to the team and asked if he can drop to fifth or even possibly sixth if the team would allow it. His words literally were: "lets get some points so we can be happy". So you are bang on with your assessment. That's the post of the year, right there, if you ask me. :up:

A little more info and context is needed there I think.

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#5640 Dolph

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 15:38

A little more info and context is needed there I think.

 

I'm just being sarcastic. I think NixxxoN's post is the biggest load of nonsense I've read this year.


Edited by Dolph, 19 November 2019 - 15:39.


#5641 goldenboy

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 15:39

I'm just being sarcastic. I think NixxxoN's post is the biggest load of nonsense I've read this year.

Well ya got me.

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 16:06

But technically they did took eachother out.

I thought Alesi's failure was unrelated. A wheel bearing failure caused by the kerbs that also accounted for Coulthard.

#5643 NixxxoN

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 20:47

That's got to be one of the silliest things I've read on here, which is really saying something.

When Hulk was racing for Porsche in Le Mans in 2015 and leading the race he called in over the pit radio to the team and asked if he can drop to fifth or even possibly sixth if the team would allow it. His words literally were: "lets get some points so we can be happy". So you are bang on with your assessment. That's the post of the year, right there, if you ask me.  :up:

I'm just being sarcastic. I think NixxxoN's post is the biggest load of nonsense I've read this year.

Work on your comprehension skills please, its not that hard to get the message.
What I'm saying is that maybe he hasn't been as ambitious as others, he's driven midfield cars all his life and he maybe thought he would not be able to do podiums, or maybe he's not pushed enough his team in the right direction in car development. I dont know.
Le Mans example is a bit funny because the driver level there is very poor compared to F1. Even Brendon Hartley won it.

Edited by NixxxoN, 19 November 2019 - 20:48.


#5644 Henri Greuter

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 21:07

Work on your comprehension skills please, its not that hard to get the message.
What I'm saying is that maybe he hasn't been as ambitious as others, he's driven midfield cars all his life and he maybe thought he would not be able to do podiums, or maybe he's not pushed enough his team in the right direction in car development. I dont know.
Le Mans example is a bit funny because the driver level there is very poor compared to F1. Even Brendon Hartley won it.

 

May I suggest you to look up who was one of Brendon Hartley's team mate ?

 

Sarcastic mode on:  And BTW, thanks for finally making me understand at long last why Alonso was so eager to add Le Mans to his cv. Only poor drivers to beat in years that the team he was in was uncontested to begin with. I didn't have Alonso's Le Mans double as a very impressive one among all the multiple winners over there but thanks for giving me even more reasons to do so. Even more reasons to rate Hartley as a more impressive winner than Alonso's twosome.

Sarcastic mode off



#5645 Grayson

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 21:20

Monza 1995

TV camera fell from one Ferrari damaging its own rear suspension and front suspension of other Ferrari


Let’s not forget the most important result of that double-DNF... It helped the legendary Taki Inoue to his career best 8th place!

#5646 NixxxoN

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 21:27

May I suggest you to look up who was one of Brendon Hartley's team mate ?
 
Sarcastic mode on:  And BTW, thanks for finally making me understand at long last why Alonso was so eager to add Le Mans to his cv. Only poor drivers to beat in years that the team he was in was uncontested to begin with. I didn't have Alonso's Le Mans double as a very impressive one among all the multiple winners over there but thanks for giving me even more reasons to do so. Even more reasons to rate Hartley as a more impressive winner than Alonso's twosome.
Sarcastic mode off

Mark Webber I suppose you mean. Why?
And why are you bringing Alonso into discussion, I have no idea...

#5647 Fatgadget

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 21:49

Mark Webber I suppose you mean. Why?
And why are you bringing Alonso into discussion, I have no idea...

Why not? If not just for the laughs?



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Posted 19 November 2019 - 22:45

Crazy stat; Since Canada last year:

 

Verstappen: 5 wins, 18 podiums

Red Bull's 2nd car (Ricciardo, Gasly, Albon): 0 podiums

 

I think this one belongs here. 



#5649 goldenboy

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Posted 20 November 2019 - 11:41

I think this one belongs here.

Not really. Ric had terrible mechanical issues that period, while gasly in his second year folded and albon is a rookie that did a mid season car change.

Max drove well but that stat is inflated when comparing.

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Posted 20 November 2019 - 11:46

Not really. Ric had terrible mechanical issues that period, while gasly in his second year folded and albon is a rookie that did a mid season car change.

Max drove well but that stat is inflated when comparing.

From Canada onwards Ricciardo finished in 9 races, in which in 6 of those, Max took a podium.