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#5851 Grayson

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 20:43

To take this away from the very dull conversation of decades...

 

I was thinking recently about the great 2012 stat where we had 6 WDCs on the grid - Hamilton, Vettel, Button, Alonso, Raikkonen and Schumacher. I was trying to think of times when we had no Champions on the grid, and I could think of some races in 1994 after Senna had died and Mansell wasn't on the grid. Have there been any other occasions when this was true (except 1950, obviously)

 

We could have this situation in 2-3 years when Vettel and Lewis retire.

 

The only way that would happen would be if Hamilton wins every season between now and his retirement (including his retirement year) or for Vettel to win the WDC again (in which case he's not going anywhere). Because if Verstappen, Leclerc or someone else wins a single WDC before then, they'll probably still be a WDC on the grid.

 

I can't see that happening. Every time Hamilton has won the WDC, he's seemed pretty hungry for another. Were he to match Schumacher's record in 2020 and beat it in 2021, he'd have to consider retiring having just won five WDCs in a row and looking like the firm favourite to win another. I don't think he'd do that - I can't see him retiring when he's at his peak.

 

During Hamilton's thirteen year career (sorry, I meant to say "during his 1.3 decades in F1"), he's seen two drivers retire when they're at their peak. He won't want to emulate Schumacher, who regretted his decision and had a disastrous comeback a few years later. And I think he'll be too proud to emulate Rosberg, especially after his comments accusing Rosberg for being a little bit cowardly for failing to defend his title!



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#5852 HistoryFan

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 14:25

some statistics:

it will definitly be the latest start of an F1 season ever (27th May 1951 was the record before)

If the season doesn't start until the Belgian Grand, it will also a new record about the longest gap between Formula 1 races – now held from Italien 1950 until Bremgarten 1951.



#5853 SenorSjon

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 14:36

Where is the crazy statistics thread for this?



#5854 ensign14

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 14:39

Where is the crazy statistics thread for this?

It's the one in which you are posting.  hth



#5855 Atreiu

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 19:42

Hopefully a new shorter calendar will convince people of the value of urgency and few events to the championships. No more second chances.

#5856 OO7

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 21:04

some statistics:

it will definitly be the latest start of an F1 season ever (27th May 1951 was the record before)

If the season doesn't start until the Belgian Grand, it will also a new record about the longest gap between Formula 1 races – now held from Italien 1950 until Bremgarten 1951.

Not if the season is a write-off. :)



#5857 Rob G

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 23:36

some statistics:

it will definitly be the latest start of an F1 season ever (27th May 1951 was the record before)

 

 

Not exactly. The very first F1 race ever held was the 1946 Turin Grand Prix, on September 1.



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Posted 26 March 2020 - 06:59

Not exactly. The very first F1 race ever held was the 1946 Turin Grand Prix, on September 1.

But it wasn’t the first race of the 1946 season. That was the Nice Grand Prix in April.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 09:00

 

During Hamilton's thirteen year career (sorry, I meant to say "during his 1.3 decades in F1"), he's seen two drivers retire when they're at their peak. He won't want to emulate Schumacher, who regretted his decision and had a disastrous comeback a few years later. And I think he'll be too proud to emulate Rosberg, especially after his comments accusing Rosberg for being a little bit cowardly for failing to defend his title!

 

I don't think this would apply if you have previously defended the title several times. 



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#5860 Beri

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 09:28

But it wasn’t the first race of the 1946 season. That was the Nice Grand Prix in April.


Are those races included in the count done by the FOM? So were those raced added in the tally that reached 1000 races at China last year?

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:11

Are those races included in the count done by the FOM? So were those raced added in the tally that reached 1000 races at China last year?


FOM and technically the FIA were counting championship races, and we debated at length all the various ways that China 2019 was not the 1000th Formula 1 race, or the 1000th Formula 1 World Championship race, or even the 1000th World Championship race run to Formula 1 cars, or even still the 1000th race run for Grand Prix cars counting to a world championship. It was simply the 1000th race run in the unbroken sequence of World Championship events since 1950.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:20

And that was the right way to do it imo - so many times I've seen stats that ignore Indy yet merrily include the rest of the 1952/3 seasons.

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:28

Also, most 1950s seasons started before the first championship race. 1951 started with Syracuse on 11 March.

#5864 Beri

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:58

FOM and technically the FIA were counting championship races, and we debated at length all the various ways that China 2019 was not the 1000th Formula 1 race, or the 1000th Formula 1 World Championship race, or even the 1000th World Championship race run to Formula 1 cars, or even still the 1000th race run for Grand Prix cars counting to a world championship. It was simply the 1000th race run in the unbroken sequence of World Championship events since 1950.

 

Ok, thats one way to put it. Thanks!



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Posted 26 March 2020 - 23:49

I don't know if we'd call this crazy but my spidey senses are tingling:

 

Beginning of 2004:  Schumacher: 35 years old (6 WDC),  Alonso: 22 years old (0 WCC)

 

Beginning of 2020: Hamilton: 35 years old (6 WDC), Verstappen: 22 years old (0 WCC)

 

It's an eery coincidence how the ages and WDC work out. 

 

:stoned:  :stoned:


Edited by ARTGP, 26 March 2020 - 23:52.


#5866 Anuity

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 01:01

I dislike Verstappen, but I do think he is the most tatened driver out there right now.

But I would not be surprised him finishing his career a little bit like Alonso.