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#1 racecarstory

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 14:32

Please, i'm creatinga very huge archive of car races results from 1878. Someone can give me the full results of the Semmering Hillclimb 1899 and full results of german road races 1899-1900? thanks!



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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:49

Hans Etzrodt should have the hillclimb stuff...

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:31

Hans Etzrodt should have the hillclimb stuff...

I doubt it, Ray. Even the late Martin Pfundner, in his history of Austrian motor sport, dismissed the 1899 Semmering climb as dominated by motorised tricycles and didn't even mention the winner's name (Arnold Spitz, De Dion Bouton 2ΒΌ hp). Hans's list suggests the only entrants were tricycles. There might be something more in the Austrian press of the time, of course ...

 

http://anno.onb.ac.at/



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 16:11

For example, by using the Austrian press link - from "Neue Freie Presse", Vienna, 28 August 1899:
 

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#5 dax

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 14:35

--- Allgemeine Sport-Zeitung n.70 (Sep 3, 1899)

 

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#6 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 14:42

A very nice find...

The Historians should be grateful for that.

#7 racecarstory

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 14:09

thank you very much! i use already a lot of sources like "locomotion automobile", "Allgemeine Automobil-Zeitung", "Motor-Car Journal", "Auto-car Journal", "Automobil Revue", "L'Auto-Velo", "Das Auto", "Auto motor und sport" but i don't find archives of german races from end of XIX centuries until 1939, only some reports on other sources...
for english races i have the DVD of Motorsport Magazine from 1924, but there are other sources online? again thanks!


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#8 dax

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 17:03

Hi Roberto, 
be careful with old Motorsport Magazine articles, I have found tons of errors about early motoring, so always double check the infos you find on that magazine. For the Germans/Austrian races, I dont know nothing better that http://anno.onb.ac.at/, the search engin is very powerful and is quite easy to find articles by keyword, year, theme, newspaper, etc.


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Posted 17 September 2018 - 17:12

 

Hi Roberto, 
be careful with old Motorsport Magazine articles, I have found tons of errors about early motoring, so always double check the infos you find on that magazine. For the Germans/Austrian races, I dont know nothing better that http://anno.onb.ac.at/, the search engin is very powerful and is quite easy to find articles by keyword, year, theme, newspaper, etc.

 

me too...a lot o result are different among newspapers, it's difficult to know what is the real...and some races i don't find like the mannheim-pforzheim-mannheim 1899-1900, Mainz-Bingen-Koblenz-Mainz 1900, Aachen-Koblenz 1900, Dolomiten race 1899...i have found only brief results on other magazines...


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#10 dax

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 18:37

Hi Roberto,
here are the results of the 1900 Mannheim-Pforzheim-Mannheim, from "Illustrirte Sport Zeitung"
 
1900_mannheim-pforzheim-mannheim_Illustr
 
 
More complete results of the voiturettes class from "Der MotorWagen"
 
1900_Der_Motor_Wagen_voiturettes.jpg
 
I post a couple of ads more from "Der MotorWagen" to get a more complete picture of the event :)
 
1900_Der_Motor_Wagen.jpg
 
1900_mannheim-pforzheim-mannheim_Der_Mot


#11 racecarstory

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 18:56

thx very very much! compliments for your research! are online these magazines?

PS - i'm italian and i've found all years from 1902 to 1922 of LA STAMPA SPORTIVA on Digibess and the collection of the italian automobile club ACI and RACI from 1925 to 1938 from digital archive of ACI


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#12 dax

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 16:33

Hi Roberto,
you can find "Illustrirte Sport Zeitung" on http://anno.onb.ac.at/ and "Der MotorWagen" on http://www.hathitrust.org/


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 17:09

1899 Mainz-Koblenz-Mainz race
results are from Prager Tagblatt - hard race to find!
 
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#14 racecarstory

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 18:57

i must offer you a dinner minium!!!!  :clap:  but where you find these links? searching on google i don't find nothing



#15 dax

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 19:50

The last one too is from ANNO. This website, like other online libraries, not always are indexed by google; you must use their own search engines. ANNO search is here.

For a list of resources, the sticky post is a good starting point


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