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#51 Bliman

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:08

I apologize Norris replaced Alonso in FP1.

I interpreted an article wrong.

So again sorry.



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#52 Talisman

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:11

The technical staff pass the numbers (and projections) to the managers, the managers discuss options in terms of financial and technicalities, the shareholders decides.

 

Not that simple in any organisation is it?

 

Managers and directors often have a pre-decided preference and choose which projections to weight heavily and which to ignore to justify it.  The decision to go to war in Iraq and the intelligence fiasco that followed (and I stress that they happened in that order) is the most obvious example but it happens everywhere.  I doubt there is a single organisation on the planet which has taken major decisions the way you describe.


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#53 keshav

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 14:31

How is the pace?

#54 mclarensmps

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 14:32

Not very good lol



#55 Dennista

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 14:54

How is the pace?

 

So slow its vomit inducing. I throw up a little every time I look at the times.


Edited by Dennista, 28 September 2018 - 14:55.


#56 DeKnyff

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 14:58

So slow its vomit inducing. I throw up a little every time I look at the times.

Come on, the MCL33 is History. I don't pay any attention to it anymore, bring on 2019!



#57 keshav

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 15:48

I meant the race pace.

#58 Maustinsj

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 16:56

I presume that with Alonso having a grid penalty, he won’t be concentrating on qualifying pace.

#59 Maustinsj

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 17:27

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#60 Maustinsj

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 17:28

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#61 Maustinsj

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 17:32

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#62 statman

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 17:54

So slow its vomit inducing. I throw up a little every time I look at the times.

 

wow  :lol:



#63 Owen

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 18:57

Practice report:
https://www.mclaren....-free-practice/

#64 Fatgadget

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 19:14

wow  :lol:

Nothing wow and laughable  about it for those of us that witnessed the mighty McLaren of 10 years ago...It's been downhill ever since...



#65 kumo7

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 06:01

Come on, the MCL33 is History. I don't pay any attention to it anymore, bring on 2019!

 

Sorry I do not think so... 

 

I mean why should Ferrari Mercedes and the likes keep on ripping off from McLaren aero details?

 

There is something F'king other thing going on with MCL33



#66 keshav

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:28

Sigh. Meh.



#67 Joseki

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:30

Why didn't Vandoorne take a penalty here? He will start next to Alonso anyway.

#68 keshav

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:34

This is getting tiring. But I guess these guys are focusing on race pace.



#69 Joseki

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:41

Degradation on both HS and US in race trim seems high by the way. Alonso today said after 8 laps that the rear on the US were gone.

#70 keshav

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:44

I hope they have 2 sets of softs. US-S-S.



#71 blacky

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 11:30

ALO has left:

4x HS

2x S

1x US

 

VAN has left:

5x HS

1x S

1x US

 

Why didn't Vandoorne take a penalty here? He will start next to Alonso anyway.

 

5 drivers have penalties. At worst P15, maybe in front of Williams.


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#72 keshav

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:21

Whatis wrong?

#73 Eruobodo

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:27

I really don't understand why they didn't help Stoffel here. Alonso would have started at the back anyway. Why no tow? Why does Alonso ends before Stoffel? To me it doesn't make sense. If someone can explain this to me?

He was given a tow both times by Fernando.



#74 MastaKink

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:31

Whatis wrong?

 

It's still 2018.



#75 keshav

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:33

It's still 2018.

Will 2019 be better? And how?

#76 Button4life

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:34

Alonso wasn't even trying and he still is infront of Vandoorne...

#77 blacky

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:35

He was given a tow both times by Fernando.

 

True, considering that ALO did his run with more fuel (drove 5 laps to tow VAN), earlier and without a tow for him, the real gap today was scary (~1 sec).



#78 Joseki

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:37

There's a serious chance Alonso could end the season 21-0 in quali.

#79 MastaKink

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:40

Will 2019 be better? And how?

 

Yes. Because it can't get worse than this car wise on these types of tracks and I believe as a pair Sainz and Norris can score as many points as Alonso and Vandoorne have this year. Losing Alonso will hit the WDC standings maybe but as a pair I think it's arguably stronger so should be ok WCC wise.



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#80 keshav

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:43

Yes. Because it can't get worse than this car wise on these types of tracks and I believe as a pair Sainz and Norris can score as many points as Alonso and Vandoorne have this year. Losing Alonso will hit the WDC standings maybe but as a pair I think it's arguably stronger so should be ok WCC wise.


We all said that 2017 can’t get worse and it did. I hope they don’t fall behind Williams.

#81 MastaKink

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:47

We all said that 2017 can’t get worse and it did. I hope they don’t fall behind Williams.

 

They are behind Williams on these types of tracks, they have been since Canada ffs.

 

It literally can't get worse next year, they're dead last on these layouts.



#82 Joseki

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 12:55

We all said that 2017 can’t get worse and it did. I hope they don’t fall behind Williams.


Well technically this year is better of last year.

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 13:04

Well technically this year is better of last year.

 

We can't speak logically around here without being ridiculed.  Last year's car was a great handling car, and this year's car was a disaster with a better engine.

 

Now I triggered those who believe 2017 = 2018 and 2 + 2 = 3.



#84 f1rules

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 13:11

That rb performs so bad shows how bad the renault pu is, not that the car is good!

Edited by f1rules, 29 September 2018 - 13:12.


#85 Joseki

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 13:14

We can't speak logically around here without being ridiculed.  Last year's car was a great handling car, and this year's car was a disaster with a better engine.
 
Now I triggered those who believe 2017 = 2018 and 2 + 2 = 3.


Compared to the other cars the 2017 chassis was much better than the 2018 chassis, however in terms of overall package the 2018 car is much better than the 2017 car (and it's because of the engine).

After 15 races

2018 - P6, 58 points
2017 - P9, 23 points

Edited by Joseki, 29 September 2018 - 13:15.


#86 Celloman

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 13:48

That rb performs so bad shows how bad the renault pu is, not that the car is good!

What's bad with RB performance? Verstappen was surprisingly close to Ferraris even when they didn't focus on Q at all.



#87 kosmos

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 13:58

What's bad with RB performance? Verstappen was surprisingly close to Ferraris even when they didn't focus on Q at all.

 

 

I think he was sarcastic.



#88 keshav

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 14:08

What's bad with RB performance? Verstappen was surprisingly close to Ferraris even when they didn't focus on Q at all.


Thats McLaren in 2019 hopefully.

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 14:08

They are behind Williams on these types of tracks, they have been since Canada ffs.

 

It literally can't get worse next year, they're dead last on these layouts.

 

Trajectory is down. If it was improving, I'd be more confident. Imagine if Williams had built a half decent car.  



#90 kumo7

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 14:50

Really, what is wrong



#91 MastaKink

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 16:18

Trajectory is down. If it was improving, I'd be more confident. Imagine if Williams had built a half decent car.  

 

Hard to be confident on anything sure but I think on these types of track there's only one direction to go. How far they go is a whole other thing though, I've no idea to be honest. I'd like to think they can be back on Renault's tail on most tracks instead of the odd one but it's hard to be confident, yeah.



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Posted 29 September 2018 - 19:00

Yes. Because it can't get worse than this car wise on these types of tracks and I believe as a pair Sainz and Norris can score as many points as Alonso and Vandoorne have this year. Losing Alonso will hit the WDC standings maybe but as a pair I think it's arguably stronger so should be ok WCC wise.

 

"Losing Alonso will hit the WDC maybe"?

You have a lot more faith in Carlos Sainz Jr than most of us do!  ;)



#93 Joseki

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 19:02

Really, what is wrong


The car.

#94 New Britain

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 19:05

Compared to the other cars the 2017 chassis was much better than the 2018 chassis, however in terms of overall package the 2018 car is much better than the 2017 car (and it's because of the engine).

After 15 races

2018 - P6, 58 points
2017 - P9, 23 points

True regarding absolute points, but if Force India hadn't had their previous points erased McLaren would now be 7th.



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Posted 29 September 2018 - 19:29

Haven't seen any quote from Brown - did he stay home?



#96 MastaKink

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 20:55

"Losing Alonso will hit the WDC maybe"?

You have a lot more faith in Carlos Sainz Jr than most of us do!  ;)

 

:lol:

 

Yeah I wasn't clear there sorry, I think they'll have a better car next year so they should be able to score more in the WDC but I'm only giving it a maybe for that one because of that lack of faith.

 

Although I probably do have more faith in the line up than some do, I think Sainz is getting a rough ride, to listen to some you'd think he's getting whitewashed but he's had more Q3 appearances, is ahead in the h2h on Sunday and only 9-6 down in quali but has a higher average finishing position. I'm sure I'm missing lots of context and reliability for both but on the surface it's not half as one sided as folk make out. And Norris I think has great potential but so did Stoff so while I think he'll be ok I'm still wary.  



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Posted 29 September 2018 - 20:59

Haven't seen any quote from Brown - did he stay home?

 

No.  It's just hard to interview someone who's curled-up in the fetal position at the back of the garage.


Edited by Redback, 29 September 2018 - 21:00.


#98 coppilcus

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 21:48

Next season can’t go this bad...

Chassis and engine integration will definitely be better, but everyone expecting Red Bull’s level of performance should start making appointments with their therapists.

McLaren will not be in the top of the sport at least until the next mayor regulations changes, but given their current ‘writer’s block’ syndrome, I wouldn’t bet on that either.

#99 Bliman

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 22:03

What is the situation with James Key now?



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#100 AlexS

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 22:50

We can't speak logically around here without being ridiculed.  Last year's car was a great handling car, and this year's car was a disaster with a better engine.

 

Now I triggered those who believe 2017 = 2018 and 2 + 2 = 3.

 

Maybe you should read what Alonso and his team mate say about this car handling instead of your "logic".

 

One example about Spa 2018 which is a circuit with several kind of corners  “The lap was enjoyable. Everything feels good and then you cross the line and there are 16 cars in front of you.”