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#101 Christophe77

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 22:52

Really bad... But then again, Renault's no good either. Man that RB chassis must be really, really good. I would say bring on 2019, but I'm sure it won't be any better.



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#102 HP

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 00:22

What if RB is better because of the fuel supply?



#103 kumo7

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 04:02

The car.

 

OK, I kanda Agree. but what about the car?

Ferrari and Mercedes copies and rips off from McLaren cars. It is a matter o time before they come with a version of Nose.

Till the last year I kind of bored about the idea of making an efficient car, that reduces a power output but wins with other things like tires and aero.

Too small cooling meaning reduced power out put isn't is?

Ferrari was blasting the grid off by power and new Merc does the same.

 

IMHO, a Formula1 race car must be able to take all power out of the car, ...



#104 propercare

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 05:28

What if RB is better because of the fuel supply?


Seriously? I mean fuel can make a difference but it's marginal.

#105 PistolPete

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:13

Would be odd as Renault design the engine for their own fuel...

#106 kumo7

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:50

Enough BS, BS, I had enough BS. 

who can bring the McLaren back on the grig, the top slot

BS BS I had enough BS.

What is going o, what is going on.

 

I know I have new belief.

The next year the next year.

Let us bring back DC to the car, 

he will tell us the next yer

 

BS BS we had enough BS

Com'on we a re true McLaren believer

We had just about enough of BS

None can believe what McLaren do doing right now

 

oh

 

We had Alonso driving the car

We had Jenson driving the car

Now they Bothe are gone

Two the best drivers had to quit the carrier in the car

 

BS BS we had enough BS

Com'on we are true McLaren believer

We know driver is not the factor

We know threes something else going on



#107 blacky

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 07:14

What is the situation with James Key now?

 

The only accurate information is that he has a contract with STR until the end of 2019, with an exit clause for the end of this year (+ gardening leave). 



#108 Morgan111

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 07:28

I seem to recall reading somewhere that McLaren was going for a very low df setup this weekend as a form of experiment. Is that correct?

#109 Owen

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 07:43

Qualifying report:
https://www.mclaren....rix-qualifying/

#110 Joseki

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 08:16

What is the situation with James Key now?

 

I've read he's gonna join during the winter, maybe early 2019.

 

 

 

New gearbox for Vandoorne. New grid slots (EDITED):

 

VAN P15

ALO P16


Edited by Joseki, 30 September 2018 - 09:07.


#111 keshav

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 08:42

Maybe some points for ALO if he starts on the Softs.

#112 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:30

I seem to recall reading somewhere that McLaren was going for a very low df setup this weekend as a form of experiment. Is that correct?

 

Yes.
 

McLaren experimented with extreme set-up solutions in practice in order to try to improve its straightline speed, given its known problems with excessive drag this year.

Alonso said the tests proved useful, but admitted it was not enough to make a significant difference on a track like Sochi.

"I think we did improve the car," he said. "Definitely we found some solutions that made the car faster, but obviously not fast enough.

"We are still quite down in terms of performance in this kind of circuit."

 

https://www.autospor...st-gain--alonso



#113 HP

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 11:31

Seriously? I mean fuel can make a difference but it's marginal.

Ferrari last engines update most of the gains were contributed to improvement in fuel.

 

I've suggested it before that McLaren seriously should consider taking over the Red Bull deal for the Renault engines next year. And while I write this I see Verstappen slicing through the fields, with a Renault engine, overtaking all other Renault powered cars in the process. If McLaren wants to get back to the top, they have to consider all their options.



#114 BertoC

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 12:05

Worst race of the season on par with Paul Ricard, we are nowhere here pacewise. :(



#115 kumo7

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 12:24

Yawn....

 

Guess the next year we see Merc v.s. Ferrari with Haas and Alfa in distant battle.

Red Bull, sorry,... like STR, lots of BuZZ but being called to the pits all the time...



#116 Eruobodo

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 12:31

This is awful for the team.



#117 kumo7

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 12:36

I guess that rear suspension is the cause...



#118 johnwilliamdavies

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 12:43

Don't worry, next year we'll have Sainz as lead driver...



#119 kumo7

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 12:45

Fernando has still 50 points in comparison to KMag's 49. How is this possible.  :stoned:



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#120 kosmos

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 13:00

That was bad, let's hope Suzuka it's a little better.



#121 Joseki

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 13:03

Don't worry, next year we'll have Sainz as lead driver...


Sainz will get beaten by Norris after 4-5 races imo.

#122 PistolPete

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 13:06

Sainz will get beaten by Norris after 4-5 races imo.

 

Hope so.. In case he is not smashing Sainz it just means that McLaren is now stuck with two mediocre drivers....



#123 keshav

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 13:08

Hows Japan for us? I think it is similar to this.

#124 BertoC

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 13:24

Hows Japan for us? I think it is similar to this.

 

A bit better? Last year was ok-ish but as we know it's not representative, so who knows.



#125 propercare

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 14:47

Ferrari last engines update most of the gains were contributed to improvement in fuel.

 

I've suggested it before that McLaren seriously should consider taking over the Red Bull deal for the Renault engines next year. And while I write this I see Verstappen slicing through the fields, with a Renault engine, overtaking all other Renault powered cars in the process. If McLaren wants to get back to the top, they have to consider all their options.

 

We are talking about few tenths a lap at best, McLaren needs 1.5 sec a lap. I'm sure fuel will help, but they need fundamentally better car to exploit the fuel gains. 



#126 Owen

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 14:54

Race report:
https://www.mclaren....ian-grand-prix/

#127 Joseki

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 15:03

We are talking about few tenths a lap at best, McLaren needs 1.5 sec a lap. I'm sure fuel will help, but they need fundamentally better car to exploit the fuel gains. 

 

Race pace was 3 seconds off today, 1.5s isn't enough.



#128 Architrion

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 17:12

Don't worry, next year we'll have Sainz as lead driver...

 

Sainz had a huge huge chunk off his floor. If Norris comes to be half good you all think he is, let the carnage begin. But if not..... 



#129 Morgan111

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 18:01

Yes.
 

https://www.autospor...st-gain--alonso


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#130 prty

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 19:19

Hope so.. In case he is not smashing Sainz it just means that McLaren is now stuck with two mediocre drivers....


Well he is now matching/beating Hulkenberg, who is no slouch.

#131 Bliman

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 19:30

Well he is now matching/beating Hulkenberg, who is no slouch.

huh?

#132 TheFish

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 19:39

Majority of the regulars have quit posting on this thread because of constant barrage of negativity towards anyone even daring to say anything positive about the team.

 

 

Wot?  I thought "cheerfulness" was against Forum rules.  Especially when dealing with McLaren.

 

Anything cheerful to say chaps?



#133 CPR

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 19:58

Anything cheerful to say chaps?

 

Both cars got to the end without any reliability issues.



#134 Joseki

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 20:01

Anything cheerful to say chaps?

 

We're only 93 days away from 2019!



#135 TheFish

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 20:04

Both cars got to the end without any reliability issues.

 

 

We're only 93 days away from 2019!

:rotfl:

 

I love a bit of gallows humour.



#136 AlcidioG

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 20:17

We're only 93 days away from 2019!

 


This made me laugh

#137 smr

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 20:24

The posts in here seem to have dropped off. I'm a McLaren fan, but it's difficult to post anything with the team in its current plight as there is nothing positive to take from anything at the moment at all. I guess looking ahead the positives are that we have a fresh lineup next year and not only that but a new driver, and one which McLaren think could be the next big thing. But the car has to be on point. This season has long gone for the team, so it's all about next year and what we can do from there.

 

But one thing I'll say is this. When McLaren are back to winning ways, the longer the hardship goes on the sweeter it will be when we come to that point. The champagne is going to taste sweeter than it ever has before. I even think there will be a few tears of joy when it does happen. It's going to be the mother of all comebacks as far as turnaround is concerned for an F1 team.



#138 Fatgadget

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 20:39

Majority of the regulars have quit posting on this thread because of constant barrage of negativity towards anyone even daring to say anything positive about the team.

 Could the truth be there is nothing positive to say  about McLaren these days?



#139 Maustinsj

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 20:51

It’s somewhere in between.

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#140 NikL

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 20:58

Very embarrassing for a team with such a winning history to have to write that as their race report.



#141 FrontWing

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 21:14

Could the truth be there is nothing positive to say about McLaren these days?


Yeah, perhaps if there wasn't so many heads in the sand over the last couple years, McLaren may have restructured sooner. There was way too much positivity and BS coming from the team and this thread. Hopefully McLaren have sorted the internal issues and can move forward next year.

Edited by FrontWing, 30 September 2018 - 21:14.


#142 PeterScandlyn

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 02:48

No.  It's just hard to interview someone who's curled-up in the fetal position at the back of the garage.

 Sobbing.......??



#143 LH44Fan

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 05:31

Very embarrassing for a team with such a winning history to have to write that as their race report.

 

They have dropped the ball so much to the point where they don't even proof-read articles on their website for spelling errors (it would seem) - 

 

“In terms or pure performance, we couldn’t really do much.

 

Ron's head would be spinning in horror were he still in charge as he demanded excellence from his guys in every area - this is one thing I greatly admired about McLaren, they were the Team to aspire to in most aspects of their operations (including Marketing) and look where they are now, Daily Mail type errors, what next 'our Drivers did there best'??  ):



#144 Widefoot2

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 05:42

:rotfl:

 

I love a bit of gallows humour.

Hey, when you're a McLaren fan at least it's a slow death...



#145 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:01

https://www.motorspo...witch-/3183981/

Breaking News guys; McLaren boss is going to attend a Grand Prix!

Wonder if there some pressure from his bosses here... he seems to be awfully distracted with many things that aren’t F1. Surely his big focus just now should be putting the correct things in place to make sure McLaren can be dragged up the field. Needs to be giving his 100% right now!

#146 Owen

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 08:45

Since 2 weeks ago Pat Fry has been working at MTC. He will not attend any races this year.

Source: Ted Kravitz, Sky Sports.



#147 Dennista

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 10:29

https://www.motorspo...witch-/3183981/

Breaking News guys; McLaren boss is going to attend a Grand Prix!

Wonder if there some pressure from his bosses here... he seems to be awfully distracted with many things that aren’t F1. Surely his big focus just now should be putting the correct things in place to make sure McLaren can be dragged up the field. Needs to be giving his 100% right now!

 

This is what we need.

dpa-ferrari-team-captain-jean-todt-r-and

 

Look how Brawn and Todt are looking over the team like hawks. Steely eyed focus on the prize. Becoming the best racing team on the grid.

 

But all we have is salesman Zak over promising and under delivering. Blabbering about Indycar and livery colours. Nobody cares Zak, go lead a marketing department. :rolleyes:

 

Wish we had the right manpower at the top.


Edited by Dennista, 01 October 2018 - 10:29.


#148 kosmos

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 12:18

I didn't catch this during the race. looks like Fernando wanted to go for the fastest lap and the team didn't allow it.

 

http://www.espn.co.u...-max-verstappen



#149 Joseki

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 12:45

This is what we need.
dpa-ferrari-team-captain-jean-todt-r-and
 
Look how Brawn and Todt are looking over the team like hawks. Steely eyed focus on the prize. Becoming the best racing team on the grid.
 
But all we have is salesman Zak over promising and under delivering. Blabbering about Indycar and livery colours. Nobody cares Zak, go lead a marketing department. :rolleyes:
 
Wish we had the right manpower at the top.


Zak Brown has no role in the racing team, he oversees and put people in charge, but he doesn't work on the car, he doesn't call the strategy and he's not the team manager.

What you want is basically Montezemolo to be on the pitwall every race.

Did it happen? No.
Was Marchionne to every race as a guest? No.
Was Ferrari good? Yes.





The sign of success for a man in Zak's role would be not having any reason to go to a race. It means he put the right people in charge and nothing needs to be changed.

Edited by Joseki, 01 October 2018 - 12:49.


#150 kumo7

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 13:28

I wonder where Andrea Stella is... I mean he is the one who is running the racing team?

I have been reading his name for already years and still not hear him saying a word...

Got to say looking forward. 

 

Zak does what he has to do, and that is OK.