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[Risil]

Keep discussing this year's Ferrari below.

[zaviali]

We need a lewis DNF to get back into the championship so I'll be hoping that this weekend we can win and non finish for Lewis. Nothing against the man but we need this to keep things interesting in the championship. A shame that we have come to this point because otherwise Ferrari has a great car that has unfortunately not translated into results via underperforming as a team whereas Lewis and Mercedes have been mega in terms of race craft and overall team operation. Not a dig by any means but being a fan it hurts to see your team losing due to inefficiency but anyways still gotta wish the reds, best of luck.

[xtremeclock]

The Italian press is reporting we might see this weekend the new RW design with the stacked wastegate pipes.

[Blackoutjulian]

Just saw our tyre choices for Japan.
Both with only 1 Medium and 2 Softs and 10 SS. Mercedes has a way more balanced choice once again.
I just dont understand this team anymore. They will struggle again with the Race like in Monza and Singapore.

[Massa_f1]

Tyre choice for the Japanese Grand Prix seems a bit wild to me. 10 sets of Supersofts and not much of anything else. Weekend will be lost of the Supersofts  don't work

[SCUDmissile]

https://www.motorspo...ection/3183188/

Here we go again

Just got to pray they can get the bloody car on pole this time.

[sopa]

https://www.motorspo...ection/3183188/

Here we go again

Just got to pray they can get the bloody car on pole this time.

 

And then they are surprised, when they have tyre wear problems in the race...

[Shuffle]

https://www.motorspo...ection/3183188/

Here we go again

Just got to pray they can get the bloody car on pole this time.

Is that 4 races in a row now they've done this?

[anachronox]

WTH is wrong with Ferrari 

 

Are they trying to get us mentally prepared for a bad weekend! 

[Pimpwerx]

Were the tires selected before or after the summer break?

[ConsiderAndGo]

Just lol.

 

Its actually as if they are actively TRYING to assist Merc in getting both titles.

[sopa]

Just lol.

 

Its actually as if they are actively TRYING to assist Merc in getting both titles.

 

Titles are lost already. They are just trying to lose by a bigger margin, so that it wouldn't feel like a narrow painful defeat in the end like 2008, 2010 or 2012 did. 

[ConsiderAndGo]

Titles are lost already. They are just trying to lose by a bigger margin, so that it wouldn't feel like a narrow painful defeat in the end like 2008, 2010 or 2012 did. 

very true! 

[Jovanotti]

AMuS wrote earlier this year that Ferrari's focus was quali and the first stint so that they could run away in the beginning and preserve the lead and save more fuel later in the race. That explained the focus on the soft compounds. Since the team have apparently solved the fuel saving problems, I wonder why they still bring so many options. Did they have to make the choice that long ago?

Edited by Jovanotti, 25 September 2018 - 13:47.

[F1Gui]

Dont worry guys. Sat and sun a wash out.

[gillesfan76]

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Here we go again

Just got to pray they can get the bloody car on pole this time.

 

Seems like a big gamble to me. I don't understand why they would select only 2 sets of Softs. It literally leaves them just 1 set of softs to try long runs during free practise. Just one lock up and they're screwed.

[rodlamas]

It is amazing how people are so stupid they expect different results from the same options.

[AlexPrime]

But sure, Seb is the only one to blame...

[Goron3]

Just saw our tyre choices for Japan.
Both with only 1 Medium and 2 Softs and 10 SS. Mercedes has a way more balanced choice once again.
I just dont understand this team anymore. They will struggle again with the Race like in Monza and Singapore.

In this current era, F1 is no longer a sprint but more of a conservation race to ensure a one stop. This is because the tyres don't degrade much.

The Suzuka tyre choice (and Russia) shows that their aim is to get pole and control the race from there (one stop, running second stint on Softs).

The first stint in most races now is super slow as they are driving to a delta.

[Massa]

Remember the team have to make the choice more than 10 weeks before the race. So no need each weekend to bash them.

[AlexS]

In this current era, F1 is no longer a sprint but more of a conservation race to ensure a one stop. This is because the tyres don't degrade much.

The Suzuka tyre choice (and Russia) shows that their aim is to get pole and control the race from there (one stop, running second stint on Softs).

The first stint in most races now is super slow as they are driving to a delta.

 

How that worked recently with them forced still to use softs having only 1 or 2 sets? it seems for some reason they can't handle the softs now.

[rodlamas]

In this current era, F1 is no longer a sprint but more of a conservation race to ensure a one stop. This is because the tyres don't degrade much.

The Suzuka tyre choice (and Russia) shows that their aim is to get pole and control the race from there (one stop, running second stint on Softs).

The first stint in most races now is super slow as they are driving to a delta.

Starting from 3rd + good tow and then you are P1 at T2. Bottas proved that last year. Plus, the races this year have proved the US tire is crap. So it's important to know if you are doing HS + US or HS + SS in Russia.

 

At Suzuka tire management is needed even with a one-stop.

 

Ferrari, again, are giving themselves no options.

[Venom]

Remember the team have to make the choice more than 10 weeks before the race. So no need each weekend to bash them.

 

Disagree. You could reason with it at a place like Monza, seen as tyre wear has typically been very low in the past. Singapore and especially Suzuka are two different animals. Even 10 weeks beforehand you should be able to work out that some circuits have different tyre demands to others, but it seems like Ferrari have just gone for a one strategy fits all approach.

[abc]

You all make it sound like we lost something because of focus on the softest tire. 

 

Only debatable case is Kimis Monza and I would strongly disagree as rather the lack of pace in the first stint killed the race for us.

[Goron3]

Starting from 3rd + good tow and then you are P1 at T2. Bottas proved that last year. Plus, the races this year have proved the US tire is crap. So it's important to know if you are doing HS + US or HS + SS in Russia.

At Suzuka tire management is needed even with a one-stop.

Ferrari, again, are giving themselves no options.

Your opening sentence has a lot of assumptions. It's just as likely that the pole sitter leads into turn two.

[AlexPrime]

It is amazing how people are so stupid they expect different results from the same options.

It's one definition of insanity

[nemanja]

https://www.f1analis...ei-lettori.html

[Massa]

He is right
The pitwall don’t trust Vettel anymore, because of his mistakes.

If it was Schumacher, they would have let him do his 2nd run in Q2 with the US.

[weston]

He is right
The pitwall don’t trust Vettel anymore, because of his mistakes.

If it was Schumacher, they would have let him do his 2nd run in Q2 with the US.

 

... and Ross Brawn would have been at the pitwall.  

 

The topic is about Ferrari SF71H and not about bashing one of the drivers. I'd like to read more about the car and how they prepare to the next race.

Edited by weston, 26 September 2018 - 14:15.

[AlexPrime]

... and Ross Brawn would have been at the pitwall.  

 

The topic is about Ferrari SF71H and not about bashing one of the drivers. I'd like to read more about the car and how they prepare to the next race.

All Ferrari topics now turn into Vettel bashing! Sad! 
As for the car, well, it is a very good car, maybe the best one. But not so much better that it can compensate mistakes from the drivers and from the pitwall. Italy 04 was even worse start than this year, but the end was glorious. Hopefully Ferrari will achieve similar level of superiority in the future and win championships again.

[nemanja]

All Ferrari topics now turn into Vettel bashing! Sad! 
As for the car, well, it is a very good car, maybe the best one. But not so much better that it can compensate mistakes from the drivers and from the pitwall. Italy 04 was even worse start than this year, but the end was glorious. Hopefully Ferrari will achieve similar level of superiority in the future and win championships again.

On the contrary... I posted that link because in my opinion Ferrari was wrong and they should have listened to Seb. It was risky but much less than what they tried with undercut during the race. Not to mention tactical advantage gained with starting the race on US. They are paying him ridiculous amount of many precisely for the thing they didn't allow him to do, and he asked 3 times...    

[SCUDmissile]

Imo they should have trusted him to do the lap.

As you guys and I have said, there isn't that complete team trust there anymore.

Whether that has broken due to Vettel errors or the teams, you can tell it's not the same.

They need to bring that back soon.

Edited by SCUDmissile, 26 September 2018 - 15:51.

[Raest]

All Ferrari topics now turn into Vettel bashing! Sad! 
As for the car, well, it is a very good car, maybe the best one. But not so much better that it can compensate mistakes from the drivers and from the pitwall. Italy 04 was even worse start than this year, but the end was glorious. Hopefully Ferrari will achieve similar level of superiority in the future and win championships again.

It's usually the same people. They probably think that disparaging Vettel will prop up their favourite driver... 

[AlexPrime]

And Seb is always defending them, whatever the strategy. For me he is much kinder than ALO, who was sometimes quite harsh and now I understand him! Of course, they also never blamed him for the mistakes which is kind, but if there no trust between Seb and the team, it is just politeness. This is better than hostility, but not ideal.
However Lewis also sometimes had issues with Merc strategy, so maybe it's normal...

[Yoshi]

 

@andihaupt1 #F1: looks like #Ferrari is running with a Baku like rearwing, but with sliced endplates. #AMuS, #RussianGP

 

Source for both: AMuS

[GrumpyYoungMan]

Is that a Mercedes inspired wheel heatsink?

Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 27 September 2018 - 11:34.

[Cacarella]

Is that a Mercedes inspired wheel heatsink?

They've all had heatsinks for years now. Mercedes and Redbull have added more.

[xtremeclock]

There is also a new FW (and a modified version of the spoon RW):

 

 

https://www.f1analis...-nuova-ala.html

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/...303066050940928

 

 

Edited by xtremeclock, 27 September 2018 - 13:25.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Interesting. They're some substantial changes to the FW.

[Nonesuch]

If it was Schumacher, they would have let him do his 2nd run in Q2 with the US.

 

The idea that a decision like that is based on what you imagine the team's perception of their driver to be is one lacking any substantive proof.

 

Furthermore, Ferrari has a record of making dumb or shortsighted decisions, which is something that would first need to be eliminated as a possibility before entertaining more elaborate theories.

[AlexS]

Interesting. They're some substantial changes to the FW.

 

Good sign they are probably dealing with tire issues.

[Mosrite]

Whatever they're doing it's a little too late.
Best hope is that the car will not go backwards next season and they'll still be able to match Mercedes speed. From there, they can concentrate on development, better strategy, and eradicating driver mistakes. The car is only one part of the puzzle, but it's time for Ferrari to win again

[xtremeclock]

Turning vanes (also new):

 

[zaviali]

Just curiously seeking an opinion but does Vettel and Ferrari have any chance of the title?
Personally speaking I still hope that Vettel can miraculously turn things around starting from this week. Gotta stay positive, its tough and daunting but championships dont come easy so best of luck to Tiffosi.

[Vesuvius]

Just curiously seeking an opinion but does Vettel and Ferrari have any chance of the title?
Personally speaking I still hope that Vettel can miraculously turn things around starting from this week. Gotta stay positive, its tough and daunting but championships dont come easy so best of luck to Tiffosi.

Yes they do. Difference is not big yet.

[Massa]

Just curiously seeking an opinion but does Vettel and Ferrari have any chance of the title?
Personally speaking I still hope that Vettel can miraculously turn things around starting from this week. Gotta stay positive, its tough and daunting but championships dont come easy so best of luck to Tiffosi.

It will be very tough. If he win all the remaining races, and Hamilton is second, Vettel win the WDC by only 2 points.

So he need to win all the races, and Raikkonen in front of Hamilton most of the time. Or better, an Hamilton DNF.

Basically it’s like Barcelona - As Roma on champions league last year. I hope Ferrari would be able to do the remontada like the Roma.

Edited by Massa, 28 September 2018 - 06:59.

[AlexPrime]

Just curiously seeking an opinion but does Vettel and Ferrari have any chance of the title?
Personally speaking I still hope that Vettel can miraculously turn things around starting from this week. Gotta stay positive, its tough and daunting but championships dont come easy so best of luck to Tiffosi.

I don't think so, but maybe that allows them to race with less pressure and focus on winning GPs.

[HermannH]

Just curiously seeking an opinion but does Vettel and Ferrari have any chance of the title?
Personally speaking I still hope that Vettel can miraculously turn things around starting from this week. Gotta stay positive, its tough and daunting but championships dont come easy so best of luck to Tiffosi.

vettel has every chance, he just has to stop underperforming. Ferrari has the clearly best car, they have every chance in the world to take the title.

[AnR]

vettel has every chance, he just has to beat a faster car. Ferrari has the clearly slower car, they have every chance in the world to take the title when the regulations changes.

 

corrected it for you

Edited by AnR, 28 September 2018 - 09:37.

[zaviali]

Nice to see that there is still some belief here that the championship is still possible. Lets hope for a great race for Seb and whatever else is required for him to have a crack at the title 😁