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[Fatgadget]

People judging Hulkenberg by his recent form when everybody knows Renault went for Ocon instead. Obviously his mind is elsewhere - yet another great driver that didn't get a chance in a top team. A pity. You can't really stick out in a Force India, a Sauber or a Renault like this one.

Comeon!  Vettel won a race in a dog  Toro Rosso. The hapless pay driver Maldonado won  a race too. .Hulk hasn't even had a sniff at a podium despite how many chances again?..Bye bye to indifferent rubbish IMO.

[ARTGP]

Yeah. A journeyman at best. A bit like Pedro De La Rosa.

 

That's a bit harsh!!    You might as well have said Luca Badoer...

 

No way I would rate Hulk that low lol.

[Anderis]

Comeon!  Vettel won a race in a dog  Toro Rosso. The hapless pay driver Maldonado won  a race too. .Hulk hasn't even had a sniff at a podium despite how many chances again?

That argument would make sense if any on Hulkenberg's team-mates won a race in the same car but they didn't. And Perez was his only team-mate to get podiums in the same car. 2008 Toro Rosso was certainly not a dog, especially in the rain and 2012 Williams was also much more competitive than anything Hulk has driven so far in F1.

[SpaceHorseParty]

That's a bit harsh!!    You might as well have said Luca Badoer...

 

No way I would rate Hulk that low lol.

De la Rosa has been on the podium.

[anyeis]

Ferrari support saves Gio basically and I think next season will be Kimi's last season, he really seems to be done now.

I dont know. Who is Alfa supposed to get for 21 that is better?

[speedx]

I dont know. Who is Alfa supposed to get for 21 that is better?

Hulk

[Vesuvius]

Ferrari support saves Gio basically and I think next season will be Kimi's last season, he really seems to be done now.

Hardly, Kimi has spoken totally differently.

[speedx]

From AmuS about Hülkenberg:

Rumors in the paddock, according to which he drives for BMW in the DTM in 2020, contradicted Hülkenberg. What would his alternatives be? Maybe drive a year with Ferrari in the simulator, to keep in touch with Formula One and to recommend for new tasks. Or a change in the IndyCar series. It is said that Hülkenberg could drive there for Ed Carpenter Racing on the road courses - and not in the oval, where the chief is driving by himself.

[Beamer]

I'll miss the hulk. Think he's underrated but must admit he has never had one 'how the f did he do that' kind of race that the likes of alo, vet, ham, ves, msc, ric have had. Always solid, quick, smart, just somehow never a freak surprise.

[Silberpfeil]

I'll miss the hulk. Think he's underrated but must admit he has never had one 'how the f did he do that' kind of race that the likes of alo, vet, ham, ves, msc, ric have had. Always solid, quick, smart, just somehow never a freak surprise.

 

Some of his races for Sauber in 2013 came pretty close IMO. That being said, he was a constant presence in F1 over the last decade, but the world moves on, very few people will care come Melbourne. Just look at the F1 prospects of someone like Alonso which, despite his considerable pedigree, are mostly a self-perpetuating joke nowadays. What I *do* find interesting is that we will only have one German driver on the grid next year. The last time that was the case was in 1993 (or, technically, 1996, if you count the French GP as a DNS for MSC). As recently as 2010, we had seven (!) Germans on the grid…

Edited by Silberpfeil, 04 November 2019 - 21:57.

[Beri]

LOL. Good stuff here.

Well, of all up here.. you know how I really think about Nando.
It's just the glorification and the hailing like he is the Messiah that is just appalling to me.

[AustinF1]

Well, of all up here.. you know how I really think about Nando.
It's just the glorification and the hailing like he is the Messiah that is just appalling to me.

Yeah I was wondering about that!

[Beri]

That's sorted out now, hopefully 😉

[HeadFirst]

Well, of all up here.. you know how I really think about Nando.
It's just the glorification and the hailing like he is the Messiah that is just appalling to me.

 

You must really hate Max and Lewis then.

[Myrvold]

That's a bit harsh!!    You might as well have said Luca Badoer...

 

No way I would rate Hulk that low lol.

 

Honestly, that says more about the knowledge regarding Badoer than Hülkenberg ;)

[ARTGP]

Did Adrian Newey renew his Red Bull contract?

[HeadFirst]

Did Adrian Newey renew his Red Bull contract?

 

Now that ^ is a really good question.

[pitlanepalpatine]

Now that ^ is a really good question.

 

To be honest I don't really see him leaving Red Bull because they can provide all sorts of aero-relevant extreme projects to get involved in

[HeadFirst]

To be honest I don't really see him leaving Red Bull because they can provide all sorts of aero-relevant extreme projects to get involved in

 

You may be correct, and I am sure that is what RB is hoping.

[ElectricBoogie]

I was already thinking that if Hulk doesn't want to race ovals, there is bound to be an oval specialist to share a seat with. In F1 is didn't work out for him, in Indy he might rule the road and runway courses.
Mansell whipped the field in the first try, including ovals. Hulk could well do well.

[Anderis]

I'll miss the hulk. Think he's underrated but must admit he has never had one 'how the f did he do that' kind of race that the likes of alo, vet, ham, ves, msc, ric have had. Always solid, quick, smart, just somehow never a freak surprise.

Brazil 2012 was that kind of race. Unfortunately, people will mainly remember that he crashed into Hamilton but it was fricking amazing that he was in position and had the pace to try to overtake Hamilton for the lead in the Force India (it was just 8th best car that season and it never seemed to have that flashes of competitiveness that Sauber or Williams enjoyed). And he wouldn't even need to do that if not for the SC that came earlier, when he had like 40 secs advantage over everyone but Button. His Korean GP in 2013 was pretty damn good too. Unfortunately, he's never had a luck for a crash like this to happen on the last lap when he was running P4 or P5:

[V8 Fireworks]

One year contract is standard for most rookies, surely?

 

Not for Norris or Russell.

 

Frankly, it is likely that McLaren and Mercedes feared that Red Bull would poach Norris or Russell if they had the chance and that is an entirely reasonable concern!    

 

Noticeably there are no concerns about teams poaching Hulkenberg, which suggests, perhaps, the relative merits of Norris and Russell compared to Hulkenberg...

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 05 November 2019 - 23:51.

[JBJ]

To be honest I don't really see him leaving Red Bull because they can provide all sorts of aero-relevant extreme projects to get involved in

 

https://www.sportsmo...pen_374289.html

 

"I think he is even more involved now," the Dutchman told his official website.

"He is also very involved in 2021, but everything is limited in terms of options. That is not ideal, but I think he is even more involved now compared to when I joined Red Bull."

[statman]

 

Nico Hülkenberg‏Verified account @HulkHulkenberg 5h5 hours ago

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Nico Hülkenberg Retweeted Motorsport-Total.com

Besten Dank an @MST_Formel1 für das Update zu meiner Zukunft.. Nächstes Mal vielleicht weniger Topfschlagen?! #FakeNews

 

google translate gives me:

 

Many thanks to @ MST_Formel1 for the update on my future ..

Next time maybe less pot hitting ?! # FakeNews

 

 

2 new articles:

 

AMuS - Ferrari third driver, DTM or IndyCar (road course only) for Hulkenberg in 2020

https://www.auto-mot...enberg-raus-f1/

 

Hulkenberg rules out F1 reserve role, calls DTM link ‘fake news’

https://www.crash.ne...t.co/w2UCNtSon1

 

[maximilian]

I was already thinking that if Hulk doesn't want to race ovals, there is bound to be an oval specialist to share a seat with. In F1 is didn't work out for him, in Indy he might rule the road and runway courses.
Mansell whipped the field in the first try, including ovals. Hulk could well do well.

 

It's not that he wouldn't do well, but that apparently he isn't "comfortable" with the idea of racing on ovals.  

[V8 Fireworks]

It's not that he wouldn't do well, but that apparently he isn't "comfortable" with the idea of racing on ovals.  

 

 

Ovals are extremely dangeous, there is no such thing as a small crash at 370 km/hr at Indianapolis. 

[BRG]

Mansell whipped the field in the first try, including ovals. Hulk could well do well.

Perhaps not the best analogy - a multiple GP winner and WDC compared to a podium-dodger.

 

A comparison to Sato might be more believable - although even Sato got one of those pesky F1 podiums.

[Muppetmad]

To be fair, I wouldn't want anybody who is uncomfortable with being on ovals to go on them. That's a recipe for disaster.

[pitlanepalpatine]

2 new articles:

 

AMuS - Ferrari third driver, DTM or IndyCar (road course only) for Hulkenberg in 2020

https://www.auto-mot...enberg-raus-f1/

 

Hulkenberg rules out F1 reserve role, calls DTM link ‘fake news’

https://www.crash.ne...t.co/w2UCNtSon1

 

 

Please we already know he's starting a full throttle ninja warrior campaign next year.

[Silberpfeil]

Please we already know he's starting a full throttle ninja warrior campaign next year.

That‘s an excellent reference.

[noikeee]

To be fair, I wouldn't want anybody who is uncomfortable with being on ovals to go on them. That's a recipe for disaster.

He's also entitled to consider it a risk not worth taking. It's his life to risk. Might not be a great start in terms of PR if he does end up moving to the US to race in the road courses, though.

[absinthedude]

There should be no shame whatsoever in a driver deciding that ovals aren't a risk they personally wish to take. While I agree that Hulkenberg isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, and I can see why has F1 career might be coming to an end....he's still a very decent racing driver and a Le Mans winner. There's mileage in him yet somewhere.

[AustinF1]

 

Ovals are extremely dangeous, there is no such thing as a small crash at 370 km/hr at Indianapolis. 

Yeah I'm not comfortable with the idea of racing on ovals in open-wheel, open-cockpit cars either. I would never hold that against anyone else.

[taran]

Yeah I'm not comfortable with the idea of racing on ovals in open-wheel, open-cockpit cars either. I would never hold that against anyone else.

 

It's a bit of a puzzle, this. Everyone should be able to make their own choices and it would obviously be his life on the line, not ours.

But when your racing peers happily jump into Indycars and a host of ex-F1 drivers have done so, even former world champions like Piquet and Mansell, you do seem a lesser driver IMO.

[pitlanepalpatine]

It's a bit of a puzzle, this. Everyone should be able to make their own choices and it would obviously be his life on the line, not ours.

But when your racing peers happily jump into Indycars and a host of ex-F1 drivers have done so, even former world champions like Piquet and Mansell, you do seem a lesser driver IMO.

 

But he hasn't said it's because of safety, He said "Ovals are not something that attract or strike me. "I have a lot of respect for the drivers who do that, but it's just not my thing. You can count that out."

 

So maybe, like many he just doesn't like the idea of driving on ovals because it seems dull for him. Kinda like drag racing or automatic transmissions it just doesn't appeal to everybody.

Edited by pitlanepalpatine, 07 November 2019 - 08:20.

[noriaki]

Even as a fan of open-wheel oval racing myself do respect Hulk's decision to stay out of them. He hasn't been disrespectful of the sport in any way, and it's his own life after all.

[Fatgadget]

It's a bit of a puzzle, this. Everyone should be able to make their own choices and it would obviously be his life on the line, not ours.

But when your racing peers happily jump into Indycars and a host of ex-F1 drivers have done so, even former world champions like Piquet and Mansell, you do seem a lesser driver IMO.

Yeah.But look what happened to Zarnadi....

[maximilian]

But he hasn't said it's because of safety, He said "Ovals are not something that attract or strike me. "I have a lot of respect for the drivers who do that, but it's just not my thing. You can count that out."

 

So maybe, like many he just doesn't like the idea of driving on ovals because it seems dull for him. Kinda like drag racing or automatic transmissions it just doesn't appeal to everybody.

 

In that case, he would still have a fundamental lack of understanding, which also isn't very impressive, especially for someone who hasn't tried it.  Maybe even less impressive than being "uncomfortable".

[HistoryFan]

There are some rumours about Renault could withdraw from Formula 1 at the end of 2019!

I don't think it's very likely, but I would not rule out that this will happen.

 

https://www.autobild...t-15972853.html

[pitlanepalpatine]

There are some rumours about Renault could withdraw from Formula 1 at the end of 2019!

I don't think it's very likely, but I would not rule out that this will happen.

 

https://www.autobild...t-15972853.html

 

Well what worries me is that with Mclaren gone they have no external supply commitments so it isn't completely infeasible.

[Beri]

Renault signed the current Concorde agreement. And because of that; Renault leaving, without entering the 2020 season, would mean a hefty fine.
A fine bigger than the costs of a years running in the series. So they will not leave before 2020. But 2021, on the other hand, is a very realistic scenario.

[Ivanhoe]

Renault signed the current Concorde agreement. And because of that; Renault leaving, without entering the 2020 season, would mean a hefty fine.
A fine bigger than the costs of a years running in the series. So they will not leave before 2020. But 2021, on the other hand, is a very realistic scenario.

You think the penalty would exceed the yearly budget + engine development costs? I doubt it.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 07 November 2019 - 15:25.

[noikeee]

I know sunk cost fallacy is a thing, but surely after all this investment, you might as well at least wait until early-mid 2021 to see if the new car under completely new regulations is competitive?

[PayasYouRace]

Yeah.But look what happened to Zarnadi....

 

Two consecutive CART titles.

[Branislav]

Sports journalist from Italy Flavio Vanetti believes Max Verstappen has signed pre-contract with Mercedes for 2021.

[Marklar]

Lol Mercedes is the new Ferrari with pre-contract rumours

[Ivanhoe]

Flavio Vanetti sounds like a villain in some B-gangster movie.

[SonGoku]

Sports journalist from Italy Flavio Vanetti believes Max Verstappen has signed pre-contract with Mercedes for 2021.

Italians reporting Mercedes news, always great to hear, we are still waiting for that new chassis they promised in Hockenheim.

[noikeee]

Sports journalist from Italy Flavio Vanetti believes Max Verstappen has signed pre-contract with Mercedes for 2021.

 

 

Lol Mercedes is the new Ferrari with pre-contract rumours

 

Could be completely made up, but in theory it makes sense. Ferrari have their chips all-in on Leclerc for the immediate future. Mercedes will need a Lewis replacement sooner or later, and with Russell yet a bit of an unknown, snapping up the one young driver in the market that they know can deliver, makes perfect sense, even if it pisses off Lewis - he'll probably be near retirement anyway. Max has had quite a few years with Red Bull now and through all this time Mercedes have been comfortably more competitive, and although 2021 is an unknown you'd have more faith in Mercedes than in Red Bull to deliver. With a move he can also probably negotiate a huge raise in wages, and would be shrewd to seal the deal now, given he's a hot property at the moment, and also to cover himself for the chance that Russell does prove himself somehow and Mercedes doesn't need a young star anymore.

[Fatgadget]

Two consecutive CART titles.

And then?..And Piquet too. ..Jenson Button is on record never going   Indy. Too dangerous. Doesn't make him a lesser driver does it?

Edited by Fatgadget, 07 November 2019 - 16:50.