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#101 SUFC

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 17:11

Something tells me Alonso isn't truly done with F1 yet. There's a lot of shuffling and contracts up at the same time. There are potential one year chances to infill, non committal on both sides if the likes of Lewis or Vettel do retire.

I think Lewis is going to stay and equal Schumacher and retire on 7. Vettel likely sooner if Leclerc is fast. That's when it all gets mental.

 

Something tells me Alonso isn't truly done with F1 yet. There's a lot of shuffling and contracts up at the same time. There are potential one year chances to infill, non committal on both sides if the likes of Lewis or Vettel do retire.

I think Lewis is going to stay and equal Schumacher and retire on 7. Vettel likely sooner if Leclerc is fast. That's when it all gets mental.

He is done with F1. No one needs him



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#102 SUFC

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 17:18

People underrate Bottas. He is very solid if largely unspectacular. He's sort of a grey and white version of Barrichello.

We are rating his season versus possibly Hamilton's greatest, and one of THE greatest seasons for a champion. That's a hard deal.

Vettel made repeated mistakes, Bottas just wasn't great. Of the two, Bottas is doing a better job, which is to be the No.2 and bring the points.

Just a steady points picker not a regular race winner. Merc need better.



#103 theflyingwheel

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 19:54

If Russell performs i think Mercedes should do what Ferrari did to Leclerc or RB with Gasly unlike Ocon who has never outscored a teammate in his career Russell has way more potential and is a possible WDC.

#104 rodlamas

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 20:20

People underrate Bottas. He is very solid if largely unspectacular. He's sort of a grey and white version of Barrichello.

We are rating his season versus possibly Hamilton's greatest, and one of THE greatest seasons for a champion. That's a hard deal.

Vettel made repeated mistakes, Bottas just wasn't great. Of the two, Bottas is doing a better job, which is to be the No.2 and bring the points.

I think he is much better than Rubens used to be.

 

Ferrari even tried to get him 2015-2016 but Williams somehow vetoed it.

 

Bottas in 2018 although in the end of the season was bit of a crap, was very very unlucky in the 1st 4 races in 2018. He should have won 3 races (Bahrain, China and Baku). It would have been a completely different season...



#105 zanquis

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:35

Who I hope to see dissapear:
- Grosjean, had enough time now and not enough imho to stay. He won’t break into a topteam anymore.
- Perez, he is good but honestly he isn’t waiting for his break at topteams, it is time to move on. He will probably beat Stroll so he has to go then...
- Kvyat if Albon wins teambattle, this should fullfill the needed prophecy for Verstappen to win the WDC

These are 3 spots opening, 1 for STR should most likely go to Ticktum and others to top of F2 competition.

For the rest I wait to see how it goes in 2019 anyway. Looking forward to interresting teambattles.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 20:40

Magnussen is on contract through 2020.

Edited by Montie, 12 December 2018 - 20:40.


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Posted 12 December 2018 - 22:17

- Perez, he is good but honestly he isn’t waiting for his break at topteams, it is time to move on. He will probably beat Stroll so he has to go then...
 

 

:confused:  Surely if he beats Stroll then the latter should go, or both?

 

Personally I don't see why Perez should go. He's still performing up to F1 standard.



#108 zanquis

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 23:37

:confused: Surely if he beats Stroll then the latter should go, or both?

Personally I don't see why Perez should go. He's still performing up to F1 standard.


Perez only function imho is as a great benchmark. He is a very good solid driver imho but the odds of him processing to a top team are close to zero. I don’t see it happening. And that can be said for multiple drivers though. It is in no way a complaint about Perez. But in no way is staying at his team going to help his carreer much.
- He wins his teambattle by much: Big deal, its against Stroll.
- He wins his teambattle by a little: OMG Perez isn’t as good as we thought he be.
- He loses his teambattle: OMG Daddy Stroll is sabotaging Perez.

Either way unless the Force India of next year becomes an amazing car compared to last year (which imho I doubt) and Perez gets equal treatment (which imho I doubt also, not saying Sabotage but expect upgrades to go on Strolls car first). I just don’t see him progress. If he performs better than precious years people would point at the car if performs worse or stroll is too close to him it is him.

Anyway that I would like some drivers to move on in many cases isn’t a complaint about a driver it is just that I rather see a talented new driver or even Ocon to freshen it up a bit more

From the drivers outside the top 3 teams with much experience I can only see drivers like Hulkenberg and/or Ricciardo move up. Sainz as as slight maybe but he needs an impressive year at Mclaren first. Others like Grosjean, Magnussen don’t have that prospect. Kimi is also on his way out but he is on his farewell run with the team that started it all and he is a former WDC. I wouldn’t be surprised if something happened at Ferrari with either driver that he would do a temporal return.

#109 zanquis

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 23:38

:confused: Surely if he beats Stroll then the latter should go, or both?

Personally I don't see why Perez should go. He's still performing up to F1 standard.


And yes i meant that if Stroll gets trashed he should just call it quits.

#110 Beri

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 10:54

And yes i meant that if Stroll gets trashed he should just call it quits.


I doubt that from ever happening. As long as there is money to spend, Stroll Jr. will Always have a place on the grid. But to be honest, I can see him staying on the grid on merit of his own skills. Albeit that sounds funny after seeing him struggle two seasons, I am dead serious about my opinion on Stroll. I really think the guy can race properly. He could be a second Pedro Diniz. A good racer who came into F1 with his money, but who can go on for some seasons and fetch some good results during his career.

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 12:19

I doubt that from ever happening. As long as there is money to spend, Stroll Jr. will Always have a place on the grid. But to be honest, I can see him staying on the grid on merit of his own skills. Albeit that sounds funny after seeing him struggle two seasons, I am dead serious about my opinion on Stroll. I really think the guy can race properly. He could be a second Pedro Diniz. A good racer who came into F1 with his money, but who can go on for some seasons and fetch some good results during his career.


I honestly hope you would be right, but honestly hope that if he gets solidly beaten and can’t make the extra step he like some others just come to conclusion to just give up.

For the rest, there have been plenty of paydrivers who where mocked but on their day showed promise, so far Stroll only impressed me once and that was in Monza qualifying in the rain. (And no I didn’t forget his podium, I just wasn’t impressed by it).

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 13:07

Stroll has had some races past season. And beating Sirotkin in the way he did was impressive. But there lies the issue; these days we as fans dont bother looking at the backmarkers. Which in turn is logical, but there were some amazing fights at the end of the field this season. Stroll vs Sirotkin was such a fight which Stroll won with a landslide. I am very curious on what he can show against Perez.

#113 wingwalker

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 13:19

He is done with F1. No one needs him


I wouldn't be totally surprised by his comeback as he is still one of F1's best, but I'd bet against it - none of the top teams want him and he wasn't interested in continue of being mid-grid (or back of the grid, recently) with Mclaren. But maybe, if a season outside is going to make him miss F1... still, I doubt it.



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Posted 13 December 2018 - 23:37

Stroll has had some races past season. And beating Sirotkin in the way he did was impressive. But there lies the issue; these days we as fans dont bother looking at the backmarkers. Which in turn is logical, but there were some amazing fights at the end of the field this season. Stroll vs Sirotkin was such a fight which Stroll won with a landslide. I am very curious on what he can show against Perez.

Massa made him look like a track day amateur, if he can run with Perez it will have been quite a turnaround for him.

#115 coppilcus

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Posted Yesterday, 08:39

In the grand scheme of things he is not wrong. Vettel's job was to win the championship or at least bring the fight until the last race, he failed. Botta's job was to help the team and Hamilton to win both titles, he succeed.

In the big picture...

... he should not be, at least, behind Verstappen in the standings.

Edited by coppilcus, Yesterday, 08:46.


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Posted Yesterday, 09:00

Massa made him look like a track day amateur, if he can run with Perez it will have been quite a turnaround for him.


Indeed...

... but crazy ‘journalists’ and fans are going to under value his performance and blame it all on Perez, ‘perennial paydriver’, or conspiracy theories of Stroll Sr favouring Stroll Jr with a better car.

Everything is worth it if Ocon’s ‘shine’ is preserved and do not gets tarnished even more than it got by loosing two consecutive seasons against Sergio Perez. I don’t think that Stroll is going to be a match for Perez, as Ocon was, but if he competes occasionally, it’s going to be delightful reading and hearing all the rethoric construction of Ocon’s value and why oh why he’s not in F1.

#117 Beri

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Posted Yesterday, 09:05

Massa made him look like a track day amateur, if he can run with Perez it will have been quite a turnaround for him.


If he can, then it will indeed. But during his debut season we saw an immature driver who needed some humble pie to turn his woeful first season around. Something that actually has happened. As said, Im far away than being a Stroll fan. But I do value his second season as a very solid one.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:35

Stroll has nowhere to hide anymore, protected in his father's stable and his 3rd year in F1 he must deliver. If very slightly behind Perez is ok, any worse is a failure and his stay as F1 driver will be questioned.

 

Bottas also is on the line as the top team driver. 5th this year is unacceptable.

 

Vettel equal to Leclerc would be a good bye from Ferrari, also not taking the fight to Hamilton would be a sign Ferrari needs Alonso type of guy to bring WDC.

 

I'm very interested to know what Marko/Horner will do if Kvyat is defeated by Albon ? In my mind that would make them look bad in their choices of drivers first and second Kvyat should look for a job in other series



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Posted Yesterday, 14:14

I cant see Kvyat having made the same mistake. He wasnt a Red Bull member anymore if I recall correctly. This would mean that Kvyat has negotiated a new contract. And he would be stupid to have agreed upon a one year only contract. So, unless he still was a Red Bull member last year, I cant see him dropping out before the end of 2020.



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Posted Yesterday, 14:40

Perez only function imho is as a great benchmark. He is a very good solid driver imho but the odds of him processing to a top team are close to zero. I don’t see it happening. And that can be said for multiple drivers though. It is in no way a complaint about Perez. But in no way is staying at his team going to help his carreer much.
- He wins his teambattle by much: Big deal, its against Stroll.
- He wins his teambattle by a little: OMG Perez isn’t as good as we thought he be.
- He loses his teambattle: OMG Daddy Stroll is sabotaging Perez.

Either way unless the Force India of next year becomes an amazing car compared to last year (which imho I doubt) and Perez gets equal treatment (which imho I doubt also, not saying Sabotage but expect upgrades to go on Strolls car first). I just don’t see him progress. If he performs better than precious years people would point at the car if performs worse or stroll is too close to him it is him.

Anyway that I would like some drivers to move on in many cases isn’t a complaint about a driver it is just that I rather see a talented new driver or even Ocon to freshen it up a bit more

From the drivers outside the top 3 teams with much experience I can only see drivers like Hulkenberg and/or Ricciardo move up. Sainz as as slight maybe but he needs an impressive year at Mclaren first. Others like Grosjean, Magnussen don’t have that prospect. Kimi is also on his way out but he is on his farewell run with the team that started it all and he is a former WDC. I wouldn’t be surprised if something happened at Ferrari with either driver that he would do a temporal return.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 15:37

In defence of Stroll he's still 20 years old. That's the same age as for example Jenson Button got his debut. Button was lauded that year but in reality was quite a lot off from Ralf Schumacher, not that dissimilar from the gap between Stroll and Massa (although I think F1 has evolved so much gaps that large are no longer acceptable - everything's more fine-tuned and analysed through telemetry and simulations etc). The following year he got trounced by Trulli and everyone questioned whether he belonged in F1. Then he was given another chance and beat a world champ (JV) and would later go on to be a world champion himself.

So, I don't think he's gonna be a world champ like Button, but I think he's still well within a learning curve, both in terms of maturity (age) as well as experience (going into his 3rd year in F1). I find him a very difficult character to sympathize with at all, but he's more talented than people make him to be.

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Posted Yesterday, 16:40

So, I don't think he's gonna be a world champ like Button, but I think he's still well within a learning curve, both in terms of maturity (age) as well as experience (going into his 3rd year in F1). I find him a very difficult character to sympathize with at all, but he's more talented than people make him to be.

I'm not sure how much more he can learn in terms of pure speed, he had many private sessions with personal F1 engineers in order to maximize his speed. In any case Perez will be his ultimate reference, we'll have a confirmation now what he is really worth.



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Posted Yesterday, 17:19

In defence of Stroll he's still 20 years old. That's the same age as for example Jenson Button got his debut. Button was lauded that year but in reality was quite a lot off from Ralf Schumacher, not that dissimilar from the gap between Stroll and Massa (although I think F1 has evolved so much gaps that large are no longer acceptable - everything's more fine-tuned and analysed through telemetry and simulations etc). The following year he got trounced by Trulli and everyone questioned whether he belonged in F1. Then he was given another chance and beat a world champ (JV) and would later go on to be a world champion himself.

So, I don't think he's gonna be a world champ like Button, but I think he's still well within a learning curve, both in terms of maturity (age) as well as experience (going into his 3rd year in F1). I find him a very difficult character to sympathize with at all, but he's more talented than people make him to be.

 

  With confidence I predict that Stroll will never be a race winner in F1 let alone a WDC. Out of his depth totally. Rent boy seat.



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Posted Yesterday, 17:22

  With confidence I predict that Stroll will never be a race winner in F1 let alone a WDC. Out of his depth totally. Rent boy seat.

 

I think he could get a win in a Maldonado-type situation. Though that's possibly a bad example because I do see Lance as a safe pair of hands. Just depends on how competitive F1 is over his career. I don't think there are any current drivers who I'd totally discount in a chaotic race situation.