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#2301 statman

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Posted Yesterday, 07:35

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#2302 Rinehart

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Posted Yesterday, 09:19

Mann's not very good, but she shows up and stays out of trouble and goes fast enough to qualify for a race that usually has more entrants than starting positions. I don't see a problem with that. 

 

Yes, but she does raise her budget by marketing herself as a woman racing in the Indy500, then pooh-pooh's the W Series as being not good for women as it treats them differently. I just think Pippa's agenda is herself, dressed up as feminism. I don't have a problem with her either, but she does talk a load of crap. 



#2303 statman

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Posted Yesterday, 09:51

even Don McLean chimes in at the W Series page  :up:

 

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#2304 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted Yesterday, 11:55

Yes, but she does raise her budget by marketing herself as a woman racing in the Indy500, then pooh-pooh's the W Series as being not good for women as it treats them differently. I just think Pippa's agenda is herself, dressed up as feminism. I don't have a problem with her either, but she does talk a load of crap. 

 

I have to say I'm not aware of Pippa's "Lady Racer Marketing" I just know she's out there and seemingly working hard. Always at the track, does radio work, seems annoying on social media, always has a 500 entry, always has lots of stuff on her car. So I admire her hustle? 

 

Although given she runs so much charity stuff I'm assuming she's paying for her ride via family money and then flogging off the space for something worthwhile. Which seems admirable. Unless, and I'm particularly thinking the Susan Komen thing, she's taking a cut in which case....

 

Abbie Eaton(Grand Tour 'driver') was vocally against W Series last year, but seems to be auditioning now. She claimed more or less money was "keeping her from the very top" but given her F3 testing results it will take a lot of time and a lot of money. 



#2305 BRG

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Posted Yesterday, 15:37

Test today with the new faces:

 

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That looks like a lot of mansplaining going on!



#2306 7MGTEsup

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Posted Yesterday, 15:51

That looks like a lot of mansplaining going on!

 

The conversation could be going the other way?



#2307 sgtkate

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Posted Yesterday, 16:03

That looks like a lot of mansplaining going on!

I know you are joking but it is a shame the W Series haven't taken the option to promote women engineers as well and try to get as many as they can in the teams. All the pit crews etc appear to be men, just like in F1. The gender gap doesn't just exist in the cockpit.



#2308 ExFlagMan

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Posted Yesterday, 16:58

Not sure there was a great pool of female race engineers available, especially for a new start-up series that was announced rather late.

 

Hopefully it will be able to enthuse other young females to get involved.



#2309 messy

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Posted Yesterday, 17:13

I’m not sure Calderon speaking to them sends out the right message, personally.

I think she’s the absolute antithesis of the W Series’ ethos really. Pushed up beyond her level essentially because of the novelty factor, and way out of her depth. If we’re trying to get these racers drives on merit then sadly Calderon knows nothing about that.

#2310 BRG

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Posted Yesterday, 18:23

I know you are joking but it is a shame the W Series haven't taken the option to promote women engineers as well and try to get as many as they can in the teams. All the pit crews etc appear to be men, just like in F1. The gender gap doesn't just exist in the cockpit.

Indeed, and if you had the time to waste poring back through this thread, you would find that I said just that a few months ago.  Definitely a missed opportunity as there is poor representation for women across the board in the sport.



#2311 Collective

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Posted Yesterday, 18:50

I’m not sure Calderon speaking to them sends out the right message, personally.

I think she’s the absolute antithesis of the W Series’ ethos really. Pushed up beyond her level essentially because of the novelty factor, and way out of her depth. If we’re trying to get these racers drives on merit then sadly Calderon knows nothing about that.

I mean, not sure if any of the W Series competitors could equal her number of top 10 finishes in European F3, but I totally get your point. She's way out of her depth in F2, she has been even finishing behind Raghunathan in the last few rounds, if you can believe it.



#2312 MalcolmC

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Posted Yesterday, 21:47

I’m not sure Calderon speaking to them sends out the right message, personally.

I think she’s the absolute antithesis of the W Series’ ethos really. Pushed up beyond her level essentially because of the novelty factor, and way out of her depth. If we’re trying to get these racers drives on merit then sadly Calderon knows nothing about that.

I wouldn't say she's 'way out of her depth', just a backmarker. Like I said earlier, F2 cars are not easy to drive, as was highlighted at Austria where reigning Indy-Lights Champion Patricio O'Ward joined the series. Tatiana beat him in both races, on pace, not because of any penalties. Has Patricio got a brighter future in the sport? Most probably. But I still think Tatiana would have something to offer the W-Series drivers.


Edited by MalcolmC, Yesterday, 21:47.


#2313 ceesvdelst

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Posted Yesterday, 22:28

Does anyone think that this series will actually have the desired effect and push more female racers into high end seats? or is it just playing initially.

 

I think we will end up seeing a lot more in GT racing and the like, perhaps one or two in the F2 and F3 level.

 

And maybe one in F1.

Not sure I agree with a women only series, it goes against the very essence of equality in my book. But be interesting to see. 



#2314 MalcolmC

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Posted Today, 00:17

Does anyone think that this series will actually have the desired effect and push more female racers into high end seats? or is it just playing initially.

 

I think we will end up seeing a lot more in GT racing and the like, perhaps one or two in the F2 and F3 level.

 

And maybe one in F1.

Not sure I agree with a women only series, it goes against the very essence of equality in my book. But be interesting to see. 

I certainly don't want to see segregation expanded too far but I don't think the series is doing any harm with the current format. If the drivers want to progress further they have to reintegrate and that's the goals of these women anyway - they're not wanting to be the FIA Womens World Drivers Champion or the Indycar Womens Series Champion.

 

The series is giving valuable seat time and experience with engineers & media on a scale that they wouldn't have otherwise. The value of seat time in formula cars can't be underestimated. Peter Windsor even thought lack of practice time was a contributing factor in the death of Antoine Hubert - the F2 cars don't get a chance to practice on full tanks prior to racing.


Edited by MalcolmC, Today, 07:43.


#2315 E1pix

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Posted Today, 03:55

Great post.

#2316 jonpollak

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Posted Today, 06:00

Good luck @irasidorkova

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#2317 jonpollak

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Posted Today, 06:03

I heard Kat got on a plane at 10pm last night.
Directly after the IMSA race at Laguna.

She’s driven so many different things this year.
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#2318 MalcolmC

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Posted Today, 08:32

All the pit crews etc appear to be men, just like in F1.

I think Bernadette Collins, Ruth Buscombe, Michelle Creighton and a few others would disagree with you. But I take your point, it is a long way from gender equality in the F1 pitlane and the W-Series might as well do something about that too.



#2319 ElectricBoogie

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Posted Today, 09:54

I know you are joking but it is a shame the W Series haven't taken the option to promote women engineers as well and try to get as many as they can in the teams. All the pit crews etc appear to be men, just like in F1. The gender gap doesn't just exist in the cockpit.

This.
At a Beyonce concert, I got an all woman band. I know there are race minded lady mechanics out there who are not in racing. If they were sought out, wouldn't they do it for the same salary? Or are capable female race engineers actually rarer than lady drivers? 



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#2320 ElectricBoogie

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Posted Today, 10:07

I wouldn't say she's 'way out of her depth', just a backmarker. Like I said earlier, F2 cars are not easy to drive, as was highlighted at Austria where reigning Indy-Lights Champion Patricio O'Ward joined the series. Tatiana beat him in both races, on pace, not because of any penalties. Has Patricio got a brighter future in the sport? Most probably. But I still think Tatiana would have something to offer the W-Series drivers.

I started out following F2 this year more than usual, supporting Calderon. Don't bully me, I love chick flicks, okay?
I stopped following when I couldn't make up excuses anymore, her late team mate was not a backmarker at all, won a race.
She does seem to lack pace and in race wait too long overtaking cars when she's well able to close up. I could not see the driving, but I saw the timings. Others made the overtakes, she took too long per car ruining her promising strategy.
If in W Series she's a front runner, it will say more about the best racers W Series managed to attract than about Calderon herself. I'm really sad that I'm writing this today, at the start of the season I was seeing myself talk her up a lot by now.

Somehow I get the sense that women get a differerent racing education than guys. I am not basing this on anything, but intutively I feel that a good driving coach should be able to unloack significantly more speed from someone like Calderon. The racing in W series also got me that idea. More about track craft than racing lines. But one random 16 y/o boy in that field might change my mind. Lack of any male reference keeps us guessing until they take part in a male dominated series, or better, endurance racing sharing an actual car with established male racers. I want women to be just as fast but I can't find evidence of it so easily. Part due to low participation rates, part by lack of clear outliers. One pole position or reverse pole domination in F2 by Calderon would change it all. 
In slower (or heavier car) race series women seem to hold their own. And Indy ovals for sure. High paced GP track racing, I want to see them take it to the boys!


Edited by ElectricBoogie, Today, 10:07.


#2321 ExFlagMan

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Posted Today, 11:07

Will be interesting to see how Abbie Munro does in the test.

 

She appears to be what some on here were complaining about as being lacking in the W series, in it not backing those at the bottom of the system but more aimed at existing drivers.

 

As far as I can see she has only had a total of 5 races in cars, 2 in UK regional FF1600 earlier this year and 3 in the British F4 series last weekend. 

 

If that number is true she does not yet qualify for a full UK national race licence, which would make it quite interesting if she got accepted for the series.


Edited by ExFlagMan, Today, 11:09.


#2322 Rodaknee

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Posted Today, 11:44

I know you are joking but it is a shame the W Series haven't taken the option to promote women engineers as well and try to get as many as they can in the teams. All the pit crews etc appear to be men, just like in F1. The gender gap doesn't just exist in the cockpit.

 

There are women engineers working at W Series.  There was an interview with one who has been released by McLaren to gain experience as a race engineer.  We don't know if W Series has contacted teams offering similar opportunities to women.  There are several women working in F1 already, are you expecting to see them in the front centre of every team photograph as proof?



#2323 Risil

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Posted Today, 11:56


Yes, but she does raise her budget by marketing herself as a woman racing in the Indy500, then pooh-pooh's the W Series as being not good for women as it treats them differently. I just think Pippa's agenda is herself, dressed up as feminism. I don't have a problem with her either, but she does talk a load of crap.

 

 
Well Pippa Mann is a racing driver so it shouldn't be surprising that she is highly focused on herself.
 
Mann's argument is that funding for woman drivers would be better spent getting them drives in mainstream, non-segregated series instead of paying for a championship exclusively for women. I don't see any hypocrisy there. 
 
It's reasonable to say that the business of funding a motor sport career -- including gendered appeals for sponsorship -- is a different matter to when the competition itself is segregated by gender. If the competition is neither open to all-comers, and nor is the selection based purely on merit, is it a real competition at all?
 
I suppose the counter-argument to Mann is that the W Series itself is that kind of gendered appeal for sponsorship, as it's intended to funnel all the female drivers and money into one place, and the prize at the end is a drive in a mainstream series for the best woman there.


#2324 sgtkate

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Posted Today, 12:45

There are women engineers working at W Series.  There was an interview with one who has been released by McLaren to gain experience as a race engineer.  We don't know if W Series has contacted teams offering similar opportunities to women.  There are several women working in F1 already, are you expecting to see them in the front centre of every team photograph as proof?

I've seen the handful of female of engineers in F1 indeed, but when there is a racing series designed to promote women in motorsport why didn't they make a larger effort to recruit female technical staff too? Perhaps they did but I've followed the season since the start and have seen no mention of them trying to assist the careers of the female mechanics, just the drivers. Is there less of an gender divide in pit crews? Honest question as I don't have the stats. Following on the TV would suggest a very similar problem there too.



#2325 Ben1445

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Posted Today, 12:52

I've seen the handful of female of engineers in F1 indeed, but when there is a racing series designed to promote women in motorsport why didn't they make a larger effort to recruit female technical staff too? Perhaps they did but I've followed the season since the start and have seen no mention of them trying to assist the careers of the female mechanics, just the drivers. Is there less of an gender divide in pit crews? Honest question as I don't have the stats. Following on the TV would suggest a very similar problem there too.

I was under the impression that, whilst having the drivers exclusively female is allowable, having any sort of discrimination (positive or not) in the employment of the mechanics/engineers would become an issue under equal employment laws. Bond-Muir made reference to that point in one interview or another at some point during the season, I think (which is why I mention it). 

 

They can probably still do more to showcase and inspire though. Which is more what Susie Wolff's Dare To Be Different does. Or help in other ways like building connections or funding training. 


Edited by Ben1445, Today, 12:54.


#2326 Sterzo

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Posted Today, 14:43

I've seen the handful of female of engineers in F1 indeed, but when there is a racing series designed to promote women in motorsport why didn't they make a larger effort to recruit female technical staff too?

Maybe they will, but they have to start from somewhere, and finding 20 drivers is an ambitious enough objective for a start-up series.

 

Resourcing the support crew for a fleet this size is a massive undertaking, given the need to provide equality. Does anyone know how they did find the engineers and mechanics? I suspect they contracted some of the existing teams to provide people, but I don't know if this is true.



#2327 statman

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Posted Today, 14:56

There are women engineers working at W Series.  There was an interview with one who has been released by McLaren to gain experience as a race engineer.  We don't know if W Series has contacted teams offering similar opportunities to women.  There are several women working in F1 already, are you expecting to see them in the front centre of every team photograph as proof?

 

indeed. In the behind the scenes footage of the w series you can see female engineers/mechanics in the background. They are also partly sourced from the F1, such as this woman from Sauber:

 

https://www.instagra.../linsaywinkler/



#2328 ExFlagMan

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Posted Today, 15:30

I would suspect that most of the engineers were only brought in from other teams on a sub-contract basis, after all, I doubt six race meetings and a couple of tests is a viable basis to sustain them for a full season.


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#2329 E1pix

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Posted Today, 15:35

Sabré Cook won an Infiniti Engineering scholarship and has been working full-time at RenaultF1 all year.

#2330 jonpollak

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Posted Today, 18:11

Any times for the test sessions in Spain ?

Or are they not publishing those again ?

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#2331 MalcolmC

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Posted Today, 20:01

If in W Series she's a front runner, it will say more about the best racers W Series managed to attract than about Calderon herself.

AFAIK Calderon is not competing in the W-Series, she's just been brought in for a day at the test session to give some advice/encouragement. Possibly it's just advice on dealing with the media. Some forum members here thought she wouldn't be worth listening to, and I was trying to say she might have something to offer.

 

Other than that, I agree with your summary of her season so far.



#2332 messy

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I wouldn't say she's 'way out of her depth', just a backmarker. Like I said earlier, F2 cars are not easy to drive, as was highlighted at Austria where reigning Indy-Lights Champion Patricio O'Ward joined the series. Tatiana beat him in both races, on pace, not because of any penalties. Has Patricio got a brighter future in the sport? Most probably. But I still think Tatiana would have something to offer the W-Series drivers.


She wasn’t too far adrift at the start of the season but seems to have slumped into a weekly battle with Raghunathan not to be last.