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[RPM40]

https://twitter.com/...386017464565760

[GrumpyYoungMan]

YES!!!

Break the rules and get punished, no common sense required!

[Radion]

The question these days is not if but how Vettel will mess up...

[f1paul]

Well, Ricciardo got a 3 grid penalty Oz, Ocon in Japan so it's the right decision. 

 

Another mistake from Vettel which might make it officially game over. The best he'll start will be 4th.

[Fatgadget]

Vettel has bottled it.

[Will]

This season is gaining even more of a Hill 95 vibe for Vettel! Let’s hope the hopelessness of his position can finally release some pressure, he can win an end of season race like Hill did and set the reset button properly as Hill did for 96!

[SCUDmissile]

It was a slam dunk penalty, glad the stewards did their jobs.

[rog]

The amount of mistakes from Vettel this season as a title contender is crazy.

[Marklar]

I really really dislike this rule because it makes little sense to me to enforce it on the parts of the track which are out of the danger zone or close to where recovery vehicles could be, but fact of the matter is that the rule exists, everyone knows the consequences, it's easy to stay within the limit and in Vettel's case it wasnt even a close call. I dont know what he was thinking, probably he doesnt care anymore.

[SCUDmissile]

Can't wait for the inevitable Vettel 2014 Vs 2018 thread.

Think 2014 might have been a better performance from him actually.

[RPM40]

Well, Ricciardo got a 3 grid penalty Oz, Ocon in Japan so it's the right decision. 

 

Another mistake from Vettel which might make it officially game over. The best he'll start will be 4th.

 

He'll probably start 6th, which means a 40 page long Verstappen v Vettel thread is incoming.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Leclerc must be licking his lips re next year.

This is worse than 2016 now. Absolutely pathetic.

His head is goneeeeees.

[Huffer]

https://www.autospor...e-wrong--vettel

 

Stampy-foot time from Vettel.

[Boxerevo]

[RPM40]

 

"We had enough laps and it is clear that we were not competitive today," he said. "We are missing quite a big chunk of performance."

 

 

Bite back at the team?

[MonkeySpin]

What annoys me is if this championship is considered a Hamilton win due to Vettel just making loads of mistakes in the season.

 

Things like amazing poles/wins in the lesser car (on the whole) or overtaking Vettel like in Monza or Russia never seem to come into consideration (relatively speaking).

[Ellios]

What annoys me is if this championship is considered a Hamilton win due to Vettel just making loads of mistakes in the season.

 

Things like amazing poles/wins in the lesser car (on the whole) or overtaking Vettel like in Monza or Russia never seem to come into consideration (relatively speaking).

 

Hamilton and Mercedes relentless precision has hastened Vettel/Ferrari mistakes, this year is a lesson in applying increasing pressure.

[Huffer]

Just watched a video of Vettel's onboard - and it's pretty dammed clear that he took his sweet time to slow adequately once the reds were shown. It wasn't until he caught up with the cars in front of him that he seems to have thought "oh, maybe I should slow down as well".

 

The penalty was well deserved. 

[RPM40]

What annoys me is if this championship is considered a Hamilton win due to Vettel just making loads of mistakes in the season.

Things like amazing poles/wins in the lesser car (on the whole) or overtaking Vettel like in Monza or Russia never seem to come into consideration (relatively speaking).

Hamilton has run rings around Vettel this year. When was the last time a title with two cars with similar performance was done with 3 races remaining?

[Enkei]

Hamilton and Mercedes relentless precision has hastened Vettel/Ferrari mistakes, this year is a lesson in applying increasing pressure.

The whole season has been near flawless from Lewis. Schumacheresque if you ask me, or perhaps even better. Michael always had the odd off-race even when he was dominant. Hamilton hasn't put a foot wrong thus far. Not the most exciting always, but I enjoy seeing this all time great at work.

[Spillage]

It's another inexplicable error. At this rate it'd be a surprise just to see him have a clean fightback on Sunday.

[CountDooku]

What I find hilarious about this year is how Seb is finding all the bad luck he has dodged for the past decade catching up with him in ONE season. Given his luck previously, the race he had a 3-drop penalty would see Lewis’ car blow up in qualifying. This year every time he makes a mistake Lewis wins and maximises the pain.

[beachdrifter]

https://www.autospor...e-wrong--vettel

 

Stampy-foot time from Vettel.

 

So it took him almost 30 seconds to finally slow down? 

[jwill189]

What I find hilarious about this year is how Seb is finding all the bad luck he has dodged for the past decade catching up with him in ONE season. Given his luck previously, the race he had a 3-drop penalty would see Lewis’ car blow up in qualifying. This year every time he makes a mistake Lewis wins and maximises the pain.

 

How is poor driving equal to bad luck?

[Arundo]

https://www.autospor...e-wrong--vettel

 

Stampy-foot time from Vettel.

 

Ignorant kid, he will never learn.  

Edited by Arundo, 19 October 2018 - 22:05.

[Massa_f1]

Indeed as a Vettel Ferrari fan I find myself no longer caring that it's an F1 race weekend. He messes up or they mess up either way it's been no fun watching F1 majority of this year for me thanks to them.

Edited by Massa_f1, 19 October 2018 - 22:18.

[Ellios]

What I find hilarious about this year is how Seb is finding all the bad luck he has dodged for the past decade catching up with him in ONE season. Given his luck previously, the race he had a 3-drop penalty would see Lewis’ car blow up in qualifying. This year every time he makes a mistake Lewis wins and maximises the pain.

 

I know my opinion won't agree with all, but Rosberg knew just how hard and how much he had to sacrifice to beat Hamilton, even then he needed a Hamilton engine failure to help boost his chances. This year is showing how reliable in every way you need to be to beat this Merc/HAM combination. 

 

*edit as Enkei said, Schumacheresque is the highest compliment 

Edited by Ellios, 19 October 2018 - 22:22.

[CountDooku]

How is poor driving equal to bad luck?

That’s my point, before even when he drove stupidly he usually found a way to land on his feet, like in Brazil 2012 when he drove through the field after a spin to win the championship.
This year in recent races he has hit people twice from the rear and unlike 99.9% of similar collisions, it’s Seb’s Ferrari that spins! He did something just before Singapore 2017 which completely ruined his luck.

[CountDooku]

Oh, and let’s not forget the time the PURPOSEFULLY RAMMED INTO A COMPETITOR ON THE TRACK and got away with a drive through. Yup, luck has turned.

[Atreiu]

Some mistakes are more pedestrian than others, but the race is only on Sunday. I don’t like this premature celebration/funeral vibe.

Vettel’s career surely won’t be defined by 2018 alone, but seasons like these leave a lasting mark over a driver’s reputation.

[thefinalapex]

Glad all the haters are back in force. Some off you people thrive on kicking someone when he is down..

[GTA]

When Ferrari was good it was bad luck which screwed Seb in China,Baku and Hungary. Then there were stupid incidents in Austria qualifying , France, Italy and Japan. This is another incident in the stupid category. Germany is just the icing on the cake. 

 

This is not how you win or compete against a potential GOAT at the peak of his form.

 

The wheels seem to have come off Ferrari. I can't wait to see how they screw up in the rain tomorrow. Seb is making one error after another, Kimi is phoning it in. Strategy team has always been incompetent. As a fan of Scuderia Ferrari it's almost torture to tune in to a race weekend these days given the promise and hope of what the car was and is capable of. 

[pdac]

What annoys me is if this championship is considered a Hamilton win due to Vettel just making loads of mistakes in the season.

 

Things like amazing poles/wins in the lesser car (on the whole) or overtaking Vettel like in Monza or Russia never seem to come into consideration (relatively speaking).

 

What are you on about?? What do amazing poles have to do with anything. Qualifying is just about getting a good position to race from. And race wins in a lesser car?? F1 is about building the best car. Sure, the WDC is about drivers, but it's part of F1, which is about cars - that's its USP.

 

WDC points are won in the race. Make mistakes in the race and you are the poorer driver - simple.

[dgduris]

I never thought he was that great to begin with. He won his championships in cars that were leagues ahead of their competition. He never won in a straight fight against a driver with an equivalent car. He lost to Ricciardo, pretty handily too.

 

[beachdrifter]

Getting this thread back on topic, the stewards have shown 100% consistency in applying this (new for 2018) rule: 

 

https://www.motorspo...017736/1397843/

 

https://www.autospor...redflag-offence

 

https://www.autospor...ce-grid-penalty

Edited by beachdrifter, 19 October 2018 - 23:39.

[CountDooku]

When Ferrari was good it was bad luck which screwed Seb in China,Baku and Hungary. Then there were stupid incidents in Austria qualifying , France, Italy and Japan. This is another incident in the stupid category. Germany is just the icing on the cake.

This is not how you win or compete against a potential GOAT at the peak of his form.

The wheels seem to have come off Ferrari. I can't wait to see how they screw up in the rain tomorrow. Seb is making one error after another, Kimi is phoning it in. Strategy team has always been incompetent. As a fan of Scuderia Ferrari it's almost torture to tune in to a race weekend these days given the promise and hope of what the car was and is capable of.

You should try supporting Manchester United. It’s almost as comical.

[YoungGun]

That’s my point, before even when he drove stupidly he usually found a way to land on his feet, like in Brazil 2012 when he drove through the field after a spin to win the championship.
This year in recent races he has hit people twice from the rear and unlike 99.9% of similar collisions, it’s Seb’s Ferrari that spins! He did something just before Singapore 2017 which completely ruined his luck.

 

I love it ... pomp pomp wavers tells me F1 is alive on the right track.

[OvDrone]

Ominous.

[CharlesWinstone]

Rumours whisper it was planned but i wont tell anything more.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

I really really dislike this rule because it makes little sense to me to enforce it on the parts of the track which are out of the danger zone or close to where recovery vehicles could be, but fact of the matter is that the rule exists, everyone knows the consequences, it's easy to stay within the limit and in Vettel's case it wasnt even a close call. I dont know what he was thinking, probably he doesnt care anymore.

It’s a RED flag FFS, he ignored it - and didn’t respect the flag!!

[MustangSally]

I know my opinion won't agree with all, but Rosberg knew just how hard and how much he had to sacrifice to beat Hamilton .  .  . 

 

 

. . . And, lets not forget, in equal machinery, without a wingman. Rosberg had an iron determination and simply wouldn't stay beaten. Very interesting interview with him talking about giving up cycling to reduce weight from leg muscles . . . and instances where it might have helped him get a pole by a few hundredths . . . 

 

It always annoys me when people talk about unworthy champions, because you have to get everything right and not make mistakes. Sure, Button started 2009 with the best car, but he made every single race count. By the second half of the season, he had no clear advantage, the kers mob were getting sorted and making up 3 - 5 places at the start. You can never afford to throw points away.

[GTA]

. . . And, lets not forget, in equal machinery, without a wingman. Rosberg had an iron determination and simply wouldn't stay beaten. Very interesting interview with him talking about giving up cycling to reduce weight from leg muscles . . . and instances where it might have helped him get a pole by a few hundredths . . . 

 

 

Off topic but Nico although was great and his WDC will be viewed in future with a better light. He did have a few things constant which Seb doesn't have.

 

1) Best car in the field, off day you get 2nd.

2) He knew he can't win a wheel to wheel fight against Lewis and accepted it. 

3) He had the strategy constant against his teammate. You are ahead you get the undercut. 

4) He knew how to get inside Lewis' head. 

 

The problem is that Seb has driven better in 2015 and 2017. In fact if he could have driven at that level this year we would be probably ahead of Lewis but it has gone pear shaped. 

Red flag on a wet track, speeding. What the heck were you expecting to achieve ? 

[GTA]

You should try supporting Manchester United. It’s almost as comical.

 

If you are a cycling fan, I support Nairo Quintana. Pretty much in the same boat there too... 

[Gary Davies]

Glad all the haters are back in force. Some off you people thrive on kicking someone when he is down..

I’m certainly no champion of the ‘Fingerknabe’ but by jingo, it’s hard to ignore the salivating enthusiasm with which his slip up has been pounced upon here.

In the words of McCartney, let it be....

[WelshSwan]

I’m certainly no champion of the ‘Fingerknabe’ but by jingo, it’s hard to ignore the salivating enthusiasm with which his slip up has been pounced upon here.

In the words of McCartney, let it be....

 

I think many on here have always believed the four titles were luck based so the way this season has gone has confirmed in a lot of people's eyes that he is an undeserving champion, next year if he bounces back and performs well the opinion will sway again but I digress.

 

The stewards had no choice but to give him the penalty. IF the title were neck and neck I am not so sure whether they would have done anything but we will never know now. 

[Requiem84]

Ferrari should try to see if DR can be wiggled out of his contract...

[kosmos]

Deserved penalty but is not a big deal, I don't think is going to make any difference in the race final result.

[gillesfan76]

Just watched a video of Vettel's onboard - and it's pretty dammed clear that he took his sweet time to slow adequately once the reds were shown. It wasn't until he caught up with the cars in front of him that he seems to have thought "oh, maybe I should slow down as well".

 

The penalty was well deserved. 

 

This. It was one of the strangest things I've seen from a top driver. If I didn't know better it would almost seem like he's intentionally throwing it away.

[stairpotato]

Ferrari should try to see if DR can be wiggled out of his contract...

 

There's little doubt in my mind that Vettel is finished at Ferrari - it just might take a year to play out.  The interesting thing is that I can't see where he'd go next.  The big teams all have better options.  I can genuinely see him without a drive in 2020.

[wj_gibson]

Hamilton has run rings around Vettel this year. When was the last time a title with two cars with similar performance was done with 3 races remaining?

1995.

But at least Hill had the excuse of being only in his third season, as opposed to his 12th with 4 WDCs already in his pocket.

Vettel must be done at Ferrari now, surely? It's just a case of when they can get Verstappen now.

Edited by wj_gibson, 20 October 2018 - 03:58.