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#1 bradbury west

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 21:59

Other than the obvious race series and  a parochially developed interest in saloon car racing thanks to the activities of Harry Ratcliffe, I suppose the class of racing which has held my interest consistently for longest, since I began my interest in our sport back in 1959,  has been  Formula Junior.  At the Revival we have had visits from a selection of Ausper Juniors which have grabbed and held my interest whenever I have seen them, for a variety of reasons. The key ones have been the cars with inclined engines, one at 30degrees off vertical and the other, more radically, 75 degrees off vertical. The various books and articles  have not, as far as I have seen, detailed who designed these engines, and a suggestion from one source that they were a Cosworth design for Lotus, rejected by ACBC on installation grounds has been kicked into touch by Mike Costin in various chats I have had with him about stuff. Similarly, Brian Hart, for whom such  designs would have been logical possibilities, told me they were not his handiwork.

 

Dick Willis , of this parish, has  done a comprehensive history of the marque and models, which is available online.

 

Someone must have an idea who designed these engines, especially the 75 degree ones, unless they were simply tilted over.

I have often wondered if Roy Thomas, ex Chequered Flag had something to do with it, with A N Other/s but I am not sure the time frame would be right as the cars were built for the 1962 season.

 

However, the other day I came across a link to the primotipo site with a photo of the Normal Wilson Special in 1963. This device was a  sophisticated homebuild from the late 50s,  featuring a Holden engine tilted over on its side to 30 degrees. An internet search proved fruitful  linking to a primotipo article on Repco V8 engines and Norman's role there. Norman raced it from 1960 to 63. By the time it was completed, 1960ish, he was already working for Repco, and would later  design the Repco RBE 740 V8.

 

So,  having been accustomed from my own research project to the merit of trying the long shot  on the off chance of it bearing fruit, I was wondering whether the design, layout, chassis architecture for these cars and engines  might have had  some involvement from Norman Wilson. It was not likely to have been a low cost venture designing and building a series of  single seaters a long way from home. Tom Hawkes' family would appear to have had the wherewithal to support his venture and he appears to  have been a man of means in his own right, and Dick's narrative indicates that the man was no fool.

 

Long shot time.

An affluent Australian comes to the UK intent on learning race car design but decides to build his own anyway so sets up shop.

Looking to develop his models he looked for an advantage, the inclined engine,  ref also the novel suspension design,

A recognised  as talented Australian engineer has already built a successful car with an inclined engine, as did MB earlier.

Tom Hawkes was well known in motor racing circles in period, 1950s etc, with a record of racing some significant cars so may have known Norman Wilson as both lived in Victoria, I think.

 

Is Norman Wilson still alive and could he be contacted to  elicit any information?

 

Could it  be that this all came together as the inclined engines installation, or was it just a case of Australian Performance Cars chancing their luck/ testing their self-belief and simply tilting the engines and sticking a Colotti box on the back of the 75 degree engine?. 30 degrees I can understand for a chancer, but 75 degrees seems disproportionately more of a problem area, although I write this as a known non-engineer….. albeit one who knows it would not be simple, as Chapman found out with his efforts with the 15 and 16 models, and as I have been told clearly by several primary source Lotus people.

 

Perhaps the topic has not arisen before because  innovative designs are not uncommon in the Antipodes, so it was just another design. Some of you may be aware of my admiration for such skills and endeavours, along with smaller marques.  If there is a wider story perhaps it needs to be placed on record, and in some ways complete various circles.

 

Apart from the engine issue, who designed the Ausper chassis?

 

Just asking....

 

Roger Lund

 

 



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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 October 2018 - 22:48

If my memory is correct, Roger, Norm Wilson was killed in a dyno accident back in the sixties...

Someone else might be able to check that, I'm away from home for several days. I will add that I never knew anything about him racing, only a tiny bit of his engineering fame.

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 01:02

I assume this is the Dick Willis/Vernon Williamson epic Ausper file you refer Roger?

http://www.byways.me...ents/ausper.pdf

 

Ray, are you thinking of Jack Wilson's  accident in November 1965?

 

Stephen


Edited by cooper997, 28 October 2018 - 01:25.


#4 john medley

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 01:04

Great enthusiast and allround Good Bloke, Greg Smith, of Brighton, Victoria, is an important starting point-- not merely because he owns the Norman Wilson Laydown Special



#5 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 01:06

While knowing nothing of these cars leaning over engines is not that unusual but a lot of work. 

At historic meetings I have seen pushrod Fords laid over a bit, grey Holdens a lot plus ofcourse factory slant engines such as Corrolla pushrods and Slant 6 Mopar. 

To do it too a 'upright ' engine though would be a LOT of work, making a pan, modifying the oiling so the oil returns to the pan and what would normally rely on a little splash  still gets a little splash. With engines laid over 10-15 degrees probably not that hard but when you get 30 degrees real dramas will happen.

I once read a Hot Rod Australia article on an Altered using a slant 6 that stood the engine up straight!

Looking at some of the mad set ups on dragsters in the 60s with twin V8s alongside each other canted left and right. 

The only real reason should be to lower the COG but even then hardly worth the effort, start with a shorter engine!

But in the past people have made lives hard for themselves


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 28 October 2018 - 07:51.


#6 cooper997

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 02:08

A little bit of 75 degree info and photo (plus Ausper Clisby chatter)

 

1962-MR-Ausper-TNF.jpg

 

Stephen



#7 Dick Willis

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 04:47

Being distracted with all sorts of other car projects I had largely forgotten about the Ausper history which Vern Williamson and I had put together more than a decade ago but Stephen's prompting in post no 3 resulted in me re reading it. Page no 8 is particularly fascinating as it relates to the closing of the project, which Roger alludes to in the opening post above, particularly as Tom came from a wealthy family in Australia and in the early 1950s imported our first Lago Talbot, which would have been a rather significant investment at he time so it was sad to see him falling on hard times.

 

I still have the Ausper but it hasn't had much use for some time however the restoration of the car and unravelling the history of Ausper, most of which was undocumented,  was quite a rewarding project  at the time.



#8 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 11:58

Originally posted by cooper997
.....Ray, are you thinking of Jack Wilson's accident in November 1965?


That could be the one, Stephen...

Like I said, I'm not at home to check things at the moment.

#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 14:19

Having done some work on this engine inclination business, I can assure everyone that a 30° inclination won't make any appreciable difference to the centre of gravity of an engine...

75° certainly will, however.

My suggestion is that the 30° inclination was to get the high points of the engine - the rocker cover and carburettors - to centre behind the driver's head and shoulders rather than have the carbies hanging out one side.

It would, in fact, raise the effective height of the carburettors, but not by much.

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Posted 28 October 2018 - 14:29

These pictures may help:

 

https://library.revs...EARCHALL=Ausper

 

Particularly here:

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 29 October 2018 - 01:33.


#11 Fred.R

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 06:48

Do you have a date for the Wilson Special closer than  late 1950's,  Eldred Norman's Zephyr special at 1955? would predate by a couple of years in the layed over motor department, I always thought the lay over was for aerodynamic reasons ,  a lower engine cover, the Valiant slant 6 from wikipedia was introduced in 1959 , maybe the Mercedes W194 of 1952 was the inspiration ?



#12 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 08:12

The Valiant slant 6 was no lower than it would have been if upright...

The Mercedes W196 inspired the Maybach 3 with its lay-over engine, so probably this flowed through to the Wilson Special.

#13 bradbury west

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Posted 29 October 2018 - 09:51

Fred R. All I have is from a google search for primotipo, Repco RBE740 , Norman Wilson
Scroll to the bottom of the piece and it gives a potted history with dates and people. Always a good thing to hear more about Eldred Norman and his cars, btw.
Roger Lund.

#14 MarkBisset

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Posted 26 March 2022 - 00:16

69-D02966-6501-4663-9611-26-CB43-DC6-B45

 

Andrew MacGregor, Ausper Mk4 Ford Cosworth 1.5 pushrod, Easter Bathurst 1965, 9th in the Oz 1.5 C’ship (A MacGregor)

 

 

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Ausper by Vernon Williamson and Dick Willis 


 


Edited by MarkBisset, 26 March 2022 - 00:18.


#15 lyntonh

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Posted 26 March 2022 - 04:09

69-D02966-6501-4663-9611-26-CB43-DC6-B45

 

Andrew MacGregor, Ausper Mk4 Ford Cosworth 1.5 pushrod, Easter Bathurst 1965, 9th in the Oz 1.5 C’ship (A MacGregor)

 

 

1-A12-E1-A8-D5-D2-4-DF0-B2-EA-9626-D057-

 

Ausper by Vernon Williamson and Dick Willis 

 

 

I can confirm the date on the picture of McGregor at Catalina as 24th January 1970,

because that's when I took the shot.



#16 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 March 2022 - 07:06

Coming out of Carrington... whoops...

 

Coming out of Pilot Curve...

 

The last Catalina Park, was it not?



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Posted 26 March 2022 - 09:18

Coming out of Carrington... whoops...

 

Coming out of Pilot Curve...

 

The last Catalina Park, was it not?

Yes.