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#101 E1pix

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 22:38

How long you are going to continue off topic talk? There are thread about that accident but it's certainly not in topic with this thread.


Contribute on topic when ready.

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#102 Catalina Park

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 08:01

Is this the first valid life-save of the halo?


No.

#103 lustigson

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 08:24

Is this the first valid life-save of the halo?

 

Current F3 cars have no halo, do they?



#104 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 10:41

Having watched the Macau accident from another angle today, remarkable as it may seem, the television gantry actually probably saved her life. If that hadn't been there the next thing behind it was the concrete hotel.
Glad to see she's had successful surgery. I don't think I've ever seen anything as violent as that where the driver has survived.

And that she went "in" backwards, not head first. Wasn't it practice in the 60's to try and turn the car when in an unavoidable shunt? 

One has to say, what a world we live in that we get to see this from 5 angles. Would F1 have been banned if this was possible at the time of Watkins Glen in 1973?



#105 E1pix

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 13:53

Current F3 cars have no halo, do they?


I realized after that post that they have no halo, strange, as they *do* have halos on the U.S. version of F3!

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 14:04

I realized after that post that they have no halo, strange, as they *do* have halos on the U.S. version of F3!

 

That's because USF3 launched its new car this year, while the FIA F3 new car kicks in next season and will have a halo.



#107 Charlieman

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 14:06

171 mph crash according to some reports. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...rsport/46258361

"It was nearly a rocket. Surviving was incredible," said Frits van Amersfoort, the owner of Van Amersfoort Racing.

"We reckon she was travelling at 276km/h (171.6mph) at the time."

What is the top speed of an FIA F3 car? What is the top speed for an F3 on the approach to the Lisboa sharp turn?


#108 2F-001

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 15:25

I've seen, elsewhere, speedtrap figures 'quoted' as 276km/h on that straight. Sounded very quick to me, but I'm not clear on the spec of current F3.

The two cars appear to have touched before the braking area (there is footage of that somewhere).

There doesn't appear to have been a great deal of speed scrubbed off, with two (??) wheels already missing, before being launched backwards off that 'sausage kerb' inside the red/white kerb.


Edited by 2F-001, 21 November 2018 - 15:26.


#109 Charlieman

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 15:43

I've seen, elsewhere, speedtrap figures 'quoted' as 276km/h on that straight. Sounded very quick to me, but I'm not clear on the spec of current F3.

On a one third mile straight, was the car running at 171 mph or 276 kph? 

 

Two litre, non turbo stock block racing at 170 mph? 



#110 john aston

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 16:45

I kept hearing the 170mph  figure and raised at least one eyebrow - street circuit ? F3 car ? Hmm . the press loves big numbers but let's think ...F 3 has about 220 bhp , light weight , small frontal area but big drag . The power is  comparable to F1 in 1.5 litre era when top speeds were high but slimline bodies and no downforce helped . On UK circuits   I think F3 would top out at 145mph - ish somewhere like Donington as although lap times are very ,very fast  the speed comes  from big aero grip and great brakes .

 

So , does Macau have a huge straight? All I know is that if somebody had told me the unfortunate driver was airborne at 150mph when she came into view I'd believe them - I simply could not comprehend how fast the poor girl was travelling ...  



#111 Tim Murray

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Posted 21 November 2018 - 17:07

Yes, Macau does have a huge straight. It does have a couple of very fast corners along it, but these are taken flat in an F3 car. Former F3 winner Felix Rosenqvist describes how both F3 and GT cars perform over a lap in this article, including:

TURN 2 (MANDARIN ORIENTAL BEND)

“This can be taken flat in sixth gear in an F3 car at approximately 260kmh. A GT car will approach it at the same speed but a definite lift will be needed to get through. In 2016 Laurens Vanthoor clipped a kerb on the apex of the corner causing his GT car to run wide and overturn. This corner is one of the great sensations of the season.”

TURN 3 (LISBOA BEND)

“Both cars will approach the braking area for the 90-degree right hand Lisboa Bend at the same speed – above 280kmh. You can get to the 100metre mark before you brake in an F3 car. The GT car, with its greater mass, will need double that braking distance. This is the most logical passing position on the entire circuit so it becomes very strategic in terms of where you place your car on the road.”

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#112 Catalina Park

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 08:47

Take note of the low downforce wings the cars were running.

#113 2F-001

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 09:58

By the time they reach the braking point for Lisboa, cars would have been at full throttle for nearly a mile-and-a-quarter - which is, I believe, longer than the full Mistral Straight at Paul Ricard…

Given the narrow and twisty nature of the back half of the circuit, I imagine most would opt for a low(ish) downforce set-up, or they’d run the risk of losing out on the first run to Lisboa, then catching up the ‘faster’ cars through the twisties but never being able to overtake.



#114 Graham Clayton

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:39

Merv Ward's crash at the Windsor RSL Speedway on the 13th of May, 1956. He only suffered lacerations to his ankle - other drivers who were thrown out of their cars weren't so lucky.

 

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#115 B Squared

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 10:29

Bobby Unser at Phoenix in his Indy Car; he walked away from this trip under the Armco. I've seen the steering wheel from the car and can easily see how fortunate Mr. Unser was on that day.

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#116 MarkBisset

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:10

Australian F5000 ace John Walker was very lucky to survive a big 1975 Sandown Tasman
Lola T332 Repco accident I think;
https://primotipo.co...wn-tasman-1975/

#117 Catalina Park

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 11:35

Australian F5000 ace John Walker was very lucky to survive a big 1975 Sandown Tasman
Lola T332 Repco accident I think;
https://primotipo.co...wn-tasman-1975/

Sandown was stupidly dangerous. Considering the grief that CAMS was giving Warwick Farm a couple of years earlier over fences.
Imagine if John Walker had hit the concrete block base below those heavy steel uprights of the advertising sign.

I saw some photos recently of Ian Cook's fatal crash at Sandown a couple of years earlier when he hit the base of the sign at Shell corner. They didn't learn a damn thing from that.

#118 Ray Bell

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 20:47

Or to put it in the terms John McCormack used...

 

"I would fill in my entry form, and there in the cold hard light of the kitchen I would think hard about it. Think about the dangers of Sandown Park, whether I should sign or not. Because once you sign, you're committed!"

 

How about Janey's crash below your place at Katoomba, Michael?

 

That was a lucky escape if I ever saw one.