594 replies to this topic

[wookles]

Given that this is now going before the stewards. Let's pre-empt it with our our own opinion.

Edited by wookles, 11 November 2018 - 20:13.

[DarthWillie]

team should have stoppen Max, I hope the stewards understand the emotions after the race.

[PistolPete]

Easy, of course violence is not allowed. 

[Marklar]

I mean, he didnt punch him (yet), so guess it's kinda okay-ish, even if not exactly admirable.

Based on Vettel the FIA doesnt punish bad behaviour much, so he shouldnt get more than a reprimand and a fine 

[RPM40]

I feel a reprimand would be sufficient. It wasn't a huge incident. Whats more concerning is everyone going "he's lucky I didn't slog him" or something along those lines. 

 

Especially since Max himself wasn't blameless in the incident. He's caused plenty of crashes himself and never gotten hit. 

[Falcao]

Entitled little so-and-so needs to be snapped back to reality.

[basimi]

Just what I said in the other thread. I think ultimately it is wrong, but a bit of shoving is not that bad. No one is hurt and would be. The emotions were high and Ocon did make a horrible action. It happens in all sports. In my opinion there should not be a penalty.

Both sides are in this. Ocon should just said sorry and not provoke. VER should not pushed. This happens in the real world. Deal with it and move on.

[MikeV1987]

Option 2

People are too sensitive.

[haryantofan666]

I can't choose between option 3 and 4 haha. Enough with all this pc bs. What Ocon did was beyond stupid and looked pretty deliberate considering they were side by side for a while, with Ocon plenty of time to back out of it.

 

Also the stewards are a joke. This should have been an instant black flag. They did nothing for many laps and then gave some soft penalty like Vettel got at Baku.

[FirstnameLastname]

Somewhere Montoya was laughing today.

Did Max not say the other day that he felt ‘like punching someone’ in Mexico.

Apple... tree... etc

[theflyingwheel]

Dont we have a topic about this already

[Synkro89]

Option 2

People are too sensitive.

Ive run out of likes but yea Snowflakes all over this bloody forum.

[Arundo]

Two things:

 

1, As some already said people are too sensitive these days, not only in F1 but in general. In the past we seen these incidents before and people understood. Now a little shoving and some are crying murder. 

2, Redbull should have controlled this better, like I said in other topics where was the pressmuppet this time ? 

 

As for the shoving, I understand it heat of the moment combined with Ocon being an ass in his reaction put fuel on the fire inside Max. 

[Anja]

Right on the line. Not cool, but not serious enough for a serious punishment - a reprimand or something like that if they really feel they need to do something about it. 

Edited by Anja, 11 November 2018 - 20:16.

[f1paul]

For those who haven't seen. https://twitter.com/...693826249588736

 

[wookles]

Dont we have a topic about this already

 

Nope. this is about the incident in the garage and the fact it's going to the stewards separate to the incident on track.

 

Potentially.. it could be more serious.

[ernestomodena]

Just look at the smile on ocon his face. He love it that he f*** ed Max his race.

[basimi]

Two things:

1, As some already said people are too sensitive these days, not only in F1 but in general. In the past we seen these incidents before and people understood. Now a little shoving and some are crying murder.
2, Redbull should have controlled this better, like I said in other topics where was the pressmuppet this time ?

As for the shoving, I understand it heat of the moment combined with Ocon being an ass in his reaction put fuel on the fire inside Max.

Spot on.

[northanmonkee2]

nothing should come of this  just handbags tbh , but i think his team should explain to him that sometimes its best to express yourself away from cameras

[Topsu]

It's fine. A lame fight on the scale of other sports.

[DaddyCool]

Penalize him. Next thing you know he might be carrying a flag after a race win or doing donuts in Abby Dabby or other highly unsportsmanlike stuff.

 

Btw has Lewis talked about the great crowd and best fans yet?

[f1paul]

It wasn't exactly NASCAR-style

 

 

And it wasn't exactly this either...

 

[DerFlugplatz]

I've seen way worse than that in school.

Edited by DerFlugplatz, 11 November 2018 - 20:20.

[ForzaGTR]

It was just a shove, massive overreaction. No penalty needed.

Edited by ForzaGTR, 11 November 2018 - 20:21.

[f1paul]

Verstappen quote of the day (on Ocon) - "it would be odd if I shake his hand" 

[Synkro89]

Just look at the smile on ocon his face. He love it that he f*** ed Max his race.

Thats exactly why he should of got smacked .

[SophieB]

Just look at the smile on ocon his face. He love it that he f*** ed Max his race.

I think he was just laughing at his ineffectual rage.

[noikeee]

I think it showed everyone his character plain to see, of what an arse he is. Of course everyone would be rightly pissed off in that position, doubly so with emotions running wild with the adrenaline. Yet I feel chasing someone to confront him physically for that is quite simply being an arse. Consistent with everything we already knew about him: he's a hot-headed entitled moron.

 

It's gold drama for Liberty to sell though, and I don't think people should be penalized simply for acting entitled and confrontational. Had he actually smacked Ocon in the face, well maybe.

[jesee]

God forbid if that was Hamilton. The whole internet would be one melted goo. This boy is a petulent spoilt and entitled brat. He seems to have no respect for anyone and he thinks he is jesus's next coming. He is a talented driver although he has alot to learn but i just hope redbull would stop licking his backside.

[Knowlesy]

Just look at the smile on ocon his face. He love it that he f*** ed Max his race.

Is he not just amused because some whiney little fella is prodding him in the chest, trying desperately to appear hard as nails?

Edited by Knowlesy, 11 November 2018 - 20:24.

[CHIUNDA]

For those who haven't seen. https://twitter.com/...693826249588736

 

 

Petulant Max

[Galoredk]

It’s like watching bike riders have ago at it. They couldn’t hurt each other even if the wanted to. Girls.

Nevertheless, severe punishment is required.

[Jerem]

I don't like Verstappen but that seems to be quite minor, especially given that Ocon had basically cost him a sure race win.

[Arundo]

God forbid if that was Hamilton. The whole internet would be one melted goo. This boy is a petulent spoilt and entitled brat. He seems to have no respect for anyone and he thinks he is jesus's next coming. He is a talented driver although he has alot to learn but i just hope redbull would stop licking his backside.

 

Well same could been said about Ocon lately, he's been in a few too many incidents with his teammate and with others in the last few races. Clearly he seems not to learn from them and just like in the video shrugs them of as not his mistake. Guess that comes with the new generation of young drivers, entitlement and god complex.

[Knowlesy]

Well same could been said about Ocon lately, he's been in a few too many incidents with his teammate and with others in the last few races. Clearly he seems not to learn from them and just like in the video shrugs them of as not his mistake. Guess that comes with the new generation of young drivers, entitlement and god complex.

Ocon doesn’t really strike me as that sort.

[FullOppositeLock]

Just what I said in the other thread. I think ultimately it is wrong, but a bit of shoving is not that bad. No one is hurt and would be. The emotions were high and Ocon did make a horrible action. It happens in all sports. In my opinion there should not be a penalty.

Both sides are in this. Ocon should just said sorry and not provoke. VER should not pushed. This happens in the real world. Deal with it and move on.

 

This is what I don't understand. Max shouldn't have got physical although under the circumstances I can kind of understand why he did. What I don't understand at all is Ocon not trying to find him after the race to hold his hands up and apologise. Even if he feels he was entitled to make that move, it resulted in the race leader losing a grand prix win that was practically in the bag. Surely he could sympathise that Max would be unhappy to say the least. To just stand there grinning as if he didn't understand why Max was confronting him seems incredibly naive to put it lightly.

Edited by FullOppositeLock, 11 November 2018 - 21:05.

[AvranaKern]

Didn't Verstappen say he would have damaged someone when he lost the pole last race? Well, he did what he promised. Brute slimeball.

[timmy bolt]

I don't like Verstappen but that seems to be quite minor, especially given that Ocon had basically cost him a sure race win.

 

Verstappen cost Vettel the "sure race win" in China this very year, and Vettel was a championship contender. It's a bit rich isn't from Max.

[FirstnameLastname]

Didn't Verstappen say he would have damaged someone when he lost the pole last race? Well, he did what he promised. Brute slimeball.

Yep. He said he easily could have damaged/punched someone.

Anger management courses might be a good idea for red bull, there’s rage in the Verstappen genes.

[Heyli]

Verstappen cost Vettel the "sure race win" in China this very year, and Vettel was a championship contender. It's a bit rich isn't from Max.

Vettel wouldn´t have won in any scenario there.

Max immediately appologized.

[basimi]

Verstappen cost Vettel the "sure race win" in China this very year, and Vettel was a championship contender. It's a bit rich isn't from Max.

But Verstappen did apologized right? And that was for a position. (Not a good move back then though)

[ernestomodena]

I think he was just laughing at his ineffectual rage.

I was thinking that at first but seeing the interviews from ocon he really enjoyed it.

[Arundo]

Ocon doesn’t really strike me as that sort.

 

He's kind of the same as Max (I'm a Max fan and yes I do believe sometimes Max should think before acting/talking) but Ocon is not racing in the front of the grid so less in the spotlight. But the incident he was in during his F1 career were sometimes on the edge especially with his teammate. Refusing to take blame. 

[messy]

You know I've never thrown a punch in my life, hate confrontation and consider myself pretty much totally opposed to violence yet I don't actually see that much wrong with what Verstappen did. Ocon was idiot, cost him a race victory and he was utterly pissed off. So was I.

[prty]

Somebody is trying to milk polemics

[Spillage]

I voted for the first option, but I don't think it was that bad and he shouldn't receive anything more than a slapped wrist. It was clearly premeditated so he can't claim to have lost his head in the heat of the moment. It needs nipping in the bud in case he chins someone next time.

[Ragingjamaican]

A driver has a right to unlap himself, and Ocon at least half a car length side by side, Verstappen not being aware turned in on him.

 

I really don't see what the issue is about the actual incident leading up this, there's no law about staying behind the leader if you're faster, which when that happened Ocon was. 

 

Ocon probably should have backed out, but he was entitled to keep his car there as he wasn't breaking any rules, if this wasn't a matter of backmarker making a pass, this would likely go down as a racing incident, which in my opinion this is. Both could have done better, Verstappen needs to learn to cool off, throwing a tantrum because he lost pole through his own fault, and then this, was there any need for any altercation? No. Did he have a right to be angry? 

[OO7]

Penalize him. Next thing you know he might be carrying a flag after a race win or doing donuts in Abby Dabby or other highly unsportsmanlike stuff.

 

Btw has Lewis talked about the great crowd and best fans yet?

What on Earth does Lewis have to do with this!

[jstrains]

[Arundo]

Verstappen cost Vettel the "sure race win" in China this very year, and Vettel was a championship contender. It's a bit rich isn't from Max.

 

Max apologized straight away to Vettel and they were fighting for a position, thats different right ? Fighting with a backmarker and the backmarker shrug it of as he didnt care. Max had some issues this year and he had to learn was the popular opinion here, should be the same for Ocon.