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[Maxioos]

To make a respectful goodbye to a next future adventure and to wish him and his fans good-luck and thanks for the years VS. conversations.

 

Ricciardo can be proud of such passionate fans.

 

https://redbullracin...niels-final-day

 

we all shook hands, there were loads those really awkward man hugs and then we all gruffly said “bye” while flinging insults at each other and laughing a bit too loud.

 

 

Goodbye gift. https://www.dirtride...e-review#page-9

 

 

 

A look back at Daniel Ricciardo's best moments during his time with the Team, landmarking 100 races from 2014 - 2018.

 

 

Daniel Ricciardo and Red Bull farewell team radio - F1 2018 Abu Dhabi

 

 

Red Bull's Daniel Ricciardo and Max Verstappen | Grill the Grid: Truth or Lie? (NEW and really funny!!!)

 

 

Max Verstappen and Daniel Ricciardo say goodbye to each other with 'bromance hug'

 

https://youtu.be/Fn1Npr5OKUs

 

Good luck Ricciardo and please bring Renault in the top 3 and podium candidate!!

 

 

Edited by Maxioos, 02 December 2018 - 21:37.

[Ivanhoe]

Wish Daniel all the best at Renault, shame he’s leaving Red Bull, really enjoyed their time together. Also cheers to the Ricciardo fans in the vs. thread, got a bit toxic now and then, but most of the time it was a good place to hang out.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 02 December 2018 - 22:18.

[Andrew Hope]

I have the feeling he's jumping ship at the right time.

So of course now I've said that I expect Verstappen & Gasly to dominate.

[OvDrone]

I don't believe in goodbyes.

[Fatgadget]

I have the feeling he's jumping ship at the right time.

So of course now I've said that I expect Verstappen & Gasly to dominate.

Smart move IMO.

 

Renault not to be sneezed at- everything aligned. They pretty much ruled the F1 engine roost after the Cosworth  era up until the hybrids when Mercedes got a stranglehold. And they do know how to win championships as a constructor too.

[gowebber]

Great insight and photos. Dan was very popular at Red Bull and will be sorely missed it seems. Found this part particularly interesting from Max too.

 

"Max also reflected on his three seasons as Daniel’s team-mate, explaining that not only had the Daniel been an exemplary team-mate but that he had taught Max a lot about the art of overtaking and also consistency of performance across race weekends. "

 

Can't wait until next season. So many changes all over the grid. Should be a cracker!

Edited by gowebber, 03 December 2018 - 02:01.

[teejay]

Both Dan and Horner had their social media stories yesterday showing what looked like to be a fair old party to send Dan off also. 

[teejay]

[pitlanepalpatine]

Did they give him a bike because they didn't have a car that didn't break down on him this season? Even the one he won Monaco with was broken 

[pRy]

I have the feeling he's jumping ship at the right time.

 

He's leaving a team that are starting to realistically fight for wins again and showing the early signs of their previous dominance to join a team that hasn't had a realistic chance of winning in a long long time. I'd say he's making a pretty big mistake. Time will tell of course.

[TheMidnight]

He's leaving a team that are starting to realistically fight for wins again and showing the early signs of their previous dominance to join a team that hasn't had a realistic chance of winning in a long long time. I'd say he's making a pretty big mistake. Time will tell of course.

 

Sounds very much like Hamilton to Mercedes 

[ernestomodena]

Sounds very much like Hamilton to Mercedes 

 

Or Ralf Schumacher to Williams.

 

ON TOPIC:

It's a shame that he is leaving Red Bull they where such a good fit. I hope he has just as much fun at renault hopefully without the fireworks of an engine blow up.

[A3]

Sounds very much like Hamilton to Mercedes

Really?

When Lewis signed for Mercedes a major engine overhaul was planned. Mercedes delivered what they promised, a dominant engine and a well organized team.

Renault promises a drastic new engines for 2019. Like they've promised for the last couple of years. The gap they need to bridge is huge.

[Maxioos]

Really?

When Lewis signed for Mercedes a major engine overhaul was planned. Mercedes delivered what they promised, a dominant engine and a well organized team.

Renault promises a drastic new engines for 2019. Like they've promised for the last couple of years. The gap they need to bridge is huge.

 

Imo. difference between Renault and RBR shows it's not the engine that makes the difference and by that won't be the solution either.

 

The difference between them is full in the car, and making that difference up, well, that's a very, very hard task. Not impossible, but with budget difference and basis starting point difference, very hard to do.

[goldenboy]

Imo. difference between Renault and RBR shows it's not the engine that makes the difference and by that won't be the solution either.

The difference between them is full in the car, and making that difference up, well, that's a very, very hard task. Not impossible, but with budget difference and basis starting point difference, very hard to do.

True, but this is also something that has been said and overcome many times in the past. Even about red bull themselves. Change happens.

[romaincrouton]

Shame really, for years I disliked Red Bull and had only really started to really warm to them Because of Dan being there. Towards the end of the season though I got the same old feeling of Red Bull being the most entitled team in F1.

I think it was at the last race in Abu Dhabi someone asked Marko what Red Bulls chances were that day, and he only spoke of Max’s race, despite him being further back and with a tyre disadvantage.

I think Dan has made the right decision here as Red Bull has been Max’s team for a while.

[A3]

Imo. difference between Renault and RBR shows it's not the engine that makes the difference and by that won't be the solution either.
 
The difference between them is full in the car, and making that difference up, well, that's a very, very hard task. Not impossible, but with budget difference and basis starting point difference, very hard to do.

If you don't have an engine that's up to the task, you'll have a very hard time winning races, as Red Bull have shown. With the best chassis on the grid you can win 4 or 5 races. The engine does make the difference.

Renault are a long way off with the engine, but also with the chassis. They won't, for example, invest in a full rig dyno setup. That's their choice, but without investing heavily they won't bridge the gap.

[krapmeister]

Did they give him a bike because they didn't have a car that didn't break down on him this season? Even the one he won Monaco with was broken 

 

Nah they're just trying to **** with Renault one last time, hoping Dan will do a Montoya and injure himself playing 'tennis'... 

[Lennat]

Sounds very much like Hamilton to Mercedes 

 

In a way, absolutely. But Mercedes were WAY closer to the front in 2012 than Renault are now.

[Jbleroi]

Sounds very much like Hamilton to Mercedes 

 

Budget 2019  Merc, Ferrari and Rdbull/Honda  >>>>  Renault 

[rootten]

Budget 2019  Merc, Ferrari and Rdbull/Honda  >>>>  Renault 

 

Yeap, with Red Bull having budget twice as big Renault's and Merc and Ferrari even more than that

[Ivanhoe]

Last time on the sofa

Edited by Ivanhoe, 07 December 2018 - 22:32.

[Cliff]

Yeap, with Red Bull having budget twice as big Renault's and Merc and Ferrari even more than that

Big difference is that RB don’t have to spend any of that money on their engine. So in theory they have the biggest budget for the chassis and aero out of all the teams.

Edited by Cliff, 07 December 2018 - 22:41.

[Fatgadget]

Big difference is that RB don’t have to spend any of that money on their engine. So in theory they have the biggest budget for the chassis and aero out of all the teams.

^^Precisely.

[gowebber]

Last time on the sofa

 

Thanks, that was great, especially Dan doing his Arnie impersonation from Kindergarten Cop and their crazy sound effects, not to mention Max' lethal throw at the end.   Didn't realise Dan said he put his knee and fist through the walls after various other DNF's at races too in addition to punching the wall in Austin. Hopefully none of that next year lol.

 

Gonna miss the banter between these two guys.

Edited by gowebber, 08 December 2018 - 01:08.

[lbennie]

Big difference is that RB don’t have to spend any of that money on their engine. So in theory they have the biggest budget for the chassis and aero out of all the teams.

 

They don't though, if you go by the leaked figures.

[acf69]

"He is not going away, he is just going a bit further to the back"

 

You cannot make up this Dutch directness 

[teejay]

Last time on the sofa

 

Really enjoyed this - was a genuine quality to it, and it's clear they like each other despite what others may want to say/think. 

[Reddington]

Yeah, it still sucks we are losing Dan at RBR and that this pairing will be broken up. Best and most entertaining pairing (on and off track) ever in my opinion. Not looking forward to Gasly so much. But Dan and Hulk will be a nice pairing to watch. And I expect a good cooperation and some fun there.

[hittheapex]

I feel he had to leave Red Bull. In my opinion him and Max are very closely matched and once it became clear they weren't going to pay him a salary in the same kind of ballpark as Max, if I were Dan that would have been a big red flag saying "de facto #2."

 

Unfortunately, Renault just seems like the best out of a few bad options at the moment as he couldn't get the Ferrari seat. Time will tell. He is arguably the first world champion capable driver Hulkenberg has had as a teammate, so that head-to-head will be interesting to watch in 2019.

[A3]

In that case, the decision to leave baffles me.

It might be an unpopular opinion, but I think driving next to Max was wearing Daniel down. While they both pushed each other, Max is still young and learning. Dan is not old or anything, but he beat Vettel, was the qualifying king of F1 and then that kid showed up. Ricciardo had to find another gear. And another. And it still wasn't enough.

Him leaving Red Bull reminds me of Rosberg retiring. An F1 season is long and with a team like Red Bull and Max as his team mate, the pressure is always high. I can totally understand how that can get to you. We have no idea how RBR-Honda will perform, but Dan's goal is a world championship. If it takes Red Bull 2 or 3 years to get at that level it would probably mean getting outqualified and/or outperformed for another 2 years. Add to that a bunch of expected Honda reliability problems and I can see how Daniel is not looking forward to this. I think deep down he knows Renault won't have a chance to get him a WDC winning capable car, but in 2 years the driver's market is wide open again. When no top team has a spot for him then and Renault are still promising him the world but not delivering, I think he'll call it quits and will go look for a NASCAR seat.

Edited by A3, 10 December 2018 - 12:53.

[Knot]

In that case, the decision to leave baffles me.

 

Horner said in that link that DR would be playing a support role to MV.

 

His decision is clear and rational to me. Being #2 and not allowed to win at RBR, or equal or better status at a different team.  An easy pick in my eyes. Besides, RBR have a long history of treating #2 drivers quite poorly.

[Thatfastguy]

In that case, the decision to leave baffles me.

 

I really don't get why this is so hard to understand. At this point, it's pretty much clear that Ricciardo wanted two things:

 

1. Money

2. A shot at the WDC

 

There's absolutely no shame in wanting as much money as possible, it's perfectly rational and any driver would want that. Money wasn't the problem; RB could offer that apparently. What RB could not offer him however is a chance at a WDC. Dan knows that the best chance to be a WDC is when you are the no 1. driver in the best car of the field (which for a long time now requires a works deal). He also knows that it's highly unlikely he'll beat Max as at this point, Max is simply the faster driver. RB are throwing their full weight behind Max; the other driver at RB, whoever it is, is simply the no. 2 driver. So essentially Max has what Dan wants:  no 1. status at a top team. 

 

So Dan had to look else where and his next best option was Renault. Renault could offer him big money and no 1. status at a works outfit. Of course they are nowhere near a topteam yet but apparently their development over the last few years and their promises and investments have persuaded him. I'm very curious whether he has some kind of performance or get out clause though. Rumors are Vettel is out if he has another bad season like 2018 and I think Dan knows that and would very much like that seat. 

[A3]

Horner said in that link that DR would be playing a support role to MV.

 

 

... had Max kept growing stronger and stronger. What Horner is saying that he would expect Max to become even better, which would mean he'd beat Daniel. Which would result in maybe having to play a Bottas/Raikkonen role.

 

He never said Ricciardo would not be allowed to win.

Edited by A3, 10 December 2018 - 13:10.

[hittheapex]

Horner said in that link that DR would be playing a support role to MV.

 

His decision is clear and rational to me. Being #2 and not allowed to win at RBR, or equal or better status at a different team.  An easy pick in my eyes. Besides, RBR have a long history of treating #2 drivers quite poorly.

Seems some partial quoting has been going on then...my initial understanding was as you say, that DR would be playing the support role and therefore he had no option but to leave.

[A3]

Seems some partial quoting has been going on then...

 

What.... I'm sure you can click on the provided link, right?

 

Here's another quote for you from the same link.

"But I also feel he sees Max growing and growing in terms of speed and strength and he doesn't want to play a support role I guess, for want of better words.

"It's not that they were treated in any way different. They would have equal status, as they have always had. I can't help but feel that was perhaps a large part of Daniel's decision making."

[Knot]

He never said Ricciardo would not be allowed to win.

 

He never said MW wouldn't be allowed to win, either.

 

I swear, it seems like most of the people on this forum just started watching F1 last week.

[A3]

He never said MW wouldn't be allowed to win, either.

 

I swear, it seems like most of the people on this forum just started watching F1 last week.

 

 

 

They've given Daniel every opportunity to become a "number one" himself since Max joined. Fact is, Max has become the faster driver of the two. This would normally result in him scoring more points than Daniel and that is why Horner said "he doesn't want to play a support role I guess, for want of better words". That's how it works in an F1 team, not that hard to understand. 

[jcbc3]

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The topic is Dan's final day. There are other more appropriate threads discussing Max'es behavior in Brazil.