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#101 charles r

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 18:17

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#102 moffspeed

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 19:31

On it's debut at Mosport Park in 1985 :)

 

4060726646_f6e752b152_b.jpgHans Heyer - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4060726806_3e5ef4abc1_z.jpg?zz=1Mike Thackwell - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4061456682_29ec95f607_z.jpg?zz=1Martin Brundle - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4060726866_6223185d14_z.jpg?zz=1Mike Thackwell - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

Gorgeous car, particularly in short-heck ( goodness me I've just invented a word) form without wheel spats.

 

As mentioned above I'm sure that TWR hauled a Group 44 XJR-5 over from the States to evaluate it - before heading off to do the XJR-6. Unless I have succeeded in reaching Batty Town, UK it was painted BRG and featured on the front cover of Motoring News looking magnificent. I've trawled everywhere and can find no photos to support this theory/memory.

 

The XJR-5 may not have been the most competitive racing XJ but the sound of that V12 after dark at Le Mans remains a fond memory. I met Bob Tullius several years later, he agreed "Man if we could have bottled that sound we could have made a fortune"...



#103 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 22:55

And I'm a big fan of that photo - wonderfully atmospheric.

Just needs an A40 Farina to complete it.

And no I am not having a dig. The styling is recognisable with the other two.



#104 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 22:59

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That is a very nice pic of the Jag, just do not put the tent up!

While never a Jag fan they were a pretty car but to me the silouhette of the models with the factory steel roof are the best



#105 ensign14

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 23:04

Not sure that's a Jag - looks like an Eagle Speedster to me.



#106 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 23:05

On it's debut at Mosport Park in 1985 :)

 

4060726646_f6e752b152_b.jpgHans Heyer - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4060726806_3e5ef4abc1_z.jpg?zz=1Mike Thackwell - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4061456682_29ec95f607_z.jpg?zz=1Martin Brundle - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4060726866_6223185d14_z.jpg?zz=1Mike Thackwell - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

Those Jags and many other of the period found the styling not of form. The spoiler on the front lengthening the radiator outlets is ugly, those wheel spats too made the cars ugly. The piece of cable strengthening the splitter was too a design fault fixed but not pretty.But were function over form


Edited by Lee Nicolle, 10 December 2018 - 23:07.


#107 Bob Riebe

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 00:50

 those wheel spats too made the cars ugly.

ON any car EVER!

 

The Pininfarina cars and the square Ferrari show why some yeas of cars of the fifties from Detroit are so well liked.

The are not exotic but are very soothing to look at.

I think it was over at Mac's Garage some one quipped, in 1955 all Detroit had it right then they started screwing it up till wee had the hideous cars of 1959.


Edited by Bob Riebe, 11 December 2018 - 00:59.


#108 proviz

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 07:11

Not sure that's a Jag - looks like an Eagle Speedster to me.

 

Yes, sure enough that's what it is! Thought there was something funny about that photo, not quite right...



#109 charles r

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 08:08

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I always liked this.



#110 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 08:11

All of the choices that I have agreed with seem to be front engine cars painted red..seems I'll never grow up!. :)



#111 Glengavel

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 09:04

Yes, sure enough that's what it is! Thought there was something funny about that photo, not quite right...


Over-size wheels and tyres. Yes, the original sometimes looks a bit too narrow in the track, but I think the Eagle has gone too far in the opposite direction, and the lack of bumpers also doesn't look right, somehow. Anyway, I prefer the looks of the coupé to the convertible.

#112 Terry Walker

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 09:58

Yes-- coupe every time. Convertible looks a bit bum-high.If I was to buy an e=type it would have to be a covered-headlight early model coupe. Not enough brass, alas.



#113 GeoffR

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:01

A bit more modern than most images posted in this thread, but an iconic one for me, and yes, I do own one.

 

https://i.postimg.cc...jJ/2002-STi.jpg


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#114 AJB

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 13:24

Not sure that's a Jag - looks like an Eagle Speedster to me.

 

Not quite; as the OP stated in his post, it's an Eagle Spyder GT - a taller windscreen and a folding hood compared with the Speedster.



#115 kayemod

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 14:22

A bit more modern than most images posted in this thread, but an iconic one for me, and yes, I do own one.

 

https://i.postimg.cc...jJ/2002-STi.jpg

 

You cannot be serious, "gorgeous"??? Check the thread title. Even Stevie Wonder would say that thing was as ugly as sin.



#116 Charlieman

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 14:27

Bugatti T35. No photo or explanation is necessary for any reader with taste.



#117 Charlieman

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 14:40

The F1 cars weren't much cop, but this is a gem.

 

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Ditto at Talbot-Lago or was it Lago-Talbot? Anthony Lago went racing with his out of horse power cars and achieved great results.

 

I don't like the Pebble Beach bling show of shininess. But I'd love to own a T-L with Phony & Flashy bodywork.

 

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#118 Bob Riebe

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 17:09

You cannot be serious, "gorgeous"??? Check the thread title. Even Stevie Wonder would say that thing was as ugly as sin.

It is not ugly but it has that Japanese econo-box look which, to me, fit cars that size better than the rwd ones from the U.S. or Europe.

The British ones back when they were around, to me, always looked like some one had washed a wool shirt in hot water and put it in the dryer too long.

The Alfa that started this thread was in a class of its own.

Some cars are not pretty or ugly just pleasing to look at in a relaxing way.



#119 PCC

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 17:27

It is not ugly but it has that Japanese econo-box look...

I agree. I find it fairly snappy and cute, although I wouldn't use the words 'achingly gorgeous.' And I'm not sure Kayemod's on very solid ground when he invokes a blind man to corroborate his aesthetic judgement...


Edited by PCC, 11 December 2018 - 17:30.


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#120 charles r

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 17:44

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#121 kayemod

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 18:08

The Alfa that started this thread was in a class of its own.

 

Alfa's current output is every bit as good. If we're going to add photos of our current road cars in this thread, here's my contribution.

 

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#122 Charlieman

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 18:40

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That is ugly. And the wheels generate lift. Obviously.



#123 charles r

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:30

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#124 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 09:55

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Only its mother could love it!



#125 elansprint72

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 18:40

Alfa's current output is every bit as good. If we're going to add photos of our current road cars in this thread, here's my contribution.

 

DSC-05492.jpg

The Nostalgia Forum is not what it once was...



#126 sabrejet

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 19:49

I'm desperately trying to find an ATS-like coupe that was on the Revs Library, and seen at (Targa Florio?) circa 1966. Can't find it now, never found out what it was but my word it was GORGEOUS!!! Any takers? Would love to know what it was.


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#127 sabrejet

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 19:56

Found it! So what is this? 1968 Targa, photo Revs Library.

 

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#128 Bob Riebe

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 20:35

Found it! So what is this? 1968 Targa, photo Revs Library.

 

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SWEEEEET!



#129 Bikr7549

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 21:52

There are some awesome cars shown here, but am I the only one who does not know what kind the unlabeled ones are? I am not an expert in any way and it sure would be nice to know...



#130 Doug Nye

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 23:13


I believe it's a De Sanctis 1000SP which in its original open-cockpit Spider style had been burned out and was then rebodied by Piero Drogo's Carrozzeria Sports Cars?

 

There is certainly a proportional similarity to Drogo's Ferrari Dino 206SP and P3-4 line.

 

And - you are quite right - sweet, indeed.

 

DCN


Edited by Doug Nye, 13 December 2018 - 23:16.


#131 elansprint72

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 23:28

You're right, but I was only posting to make a valid point in response to a previous post. And let's remember who was the first to add their current road car on this thread.  Glass houses...

Rob... you bastard! Rumbled me straight away!   :smoking:



#132 kayemod

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 23:29

The Nostalgia Forum is not what it once was...

 

 

You're right, but I was only posting to make a valid point in response to a previous post. And let's remember who was one of the first to add their current road car to this thread.  Glass houses...

 

Edit: Sorry Pete, I didn't think you'd be up this late.


Edited by kayemod, 13 December 2018 - 23:30.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 01:07

Alfa's current output is every bit as good. If we're going to add photos of our current road cars in this thread, here's my contribution.

 

DSC-05492.jpg

The wheelbarrow behind isn't bad either.   ;)


Edited by Thundersports, 14 December 2018 - 01:07.


#134 kayemod

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 10:31

The wheelbarrow behind isn't bad either.   ;)

 

 

If you think the wheelbarrow is stylish, you should see our lawnmower!



#135 2F-001

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 11:08

If you think the wheelbarrow is stylish, you should see our lawnmower!

 

Anything like this one?

 



#136 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 12:00

Anything like this one?

 

It needs white walls!



#137 jeffbee

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 14:00

Another work of art from the mid 60s.  At least their F1 cars were marginally better than the ATS!!

 

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#138 bradbury west

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 14:51

Thanks for that, it is a lovely variation from the rest of the suggestions, except the type 14 Elite. It probably matches a 250 SWB for form, balance and elegance of line.
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#139 moffspeed

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 15:07

SWEEEEET!

Groovy Fiat Abarth 1300GT in the background also...



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#140 retriever

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 15:31

Alfa's current output is every bit as good. If we're going to add photos of our current road cars in this thread, here's my contribution.

 

DSC-05492.jpg

 

As with most modern Alfa examples the placement of the number plate is the first thing you observe or notice. Totally detracts from an otherwise stylish design. 



#141 john aston

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 18:48

 No No No - it's a subtle homage to Alfas of yore and looks fabulous 



#142 bradbury west

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 19:26

Moffspeed, is that a little Goggomobil at the rear top corner?
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#143 sabrejet

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 19:38

Moffspeed, is that a little Goggomobil at the rear top corner?
Roger Lund

 

Autobianchi I think.



#144 Tim Murray

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 19:38

I’m also thinking Autobianchi:

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#145 moffspeed

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 20:31

Autobianchi I think.

Yes that's the Fiat 500 based Autobianchi Bianchina.

 

That De Sanctis really is a pretty looking car - shades of Unipower to the rear flanks - and obviously Andrew Hedges returned to the Targa with a genuine and nicely sorted Unipower in 1969 *

 

Reading the 1968 Targa entry list is an education - whether Vic Elford lost any sleep when he realised that a Hillman Imp had been entered is lost in history.  Intriguing is the Austin Healey Sprite Special of Jack Wheeler/Martin Davidson, Motor Sport reported this little rocket packed "Lotus Elan suspension" and was motivated by a BMC F3 screamer  running on twin Webers. It retired with suspension problems - not really surprised as mating Elan turrets to a Sprite floorpan must have been a challenge. To be fair Mr Wheeler had finished a very creditable 18th in the previous year's Targa with a more conventional Sprite.

 

 Jack did a Lancia Fulvia job and returned the Sprite Special to the Targa in 1969 minus a roof, head gasket failure heralded the end of this edition. He did return to the Targa with a sharper tool - a Daren MK3 with BRM V8 power, but that is a different story.

 

* Talking of Unipower, the 1968 Targa entry included the ESAP MiniMach - an intriguing Italian device with a transversely mounted Mini engine - it looked like the Unipower's ugly sister and closer inspection revealed that it was just that. Back in the UK Universal Power Drives Ltd. were less than impressed...


Edited by moffspeed, 14 December 2018 - 20:39.


#146 kayemod

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 21:06

 No No No - it's a subtle homage to Alfas of yore and looks fabulous 

 

Very true John, most Alfa owners love that feature it's distinctive and characterful, only a philistine would hate it, but they could well "hate" ARs as well. That reminds me of the line years ago in some Guiness adverts, "I've never tried it because I don't like it". My photo made the plate look more obvious because I whited out what was only a temporary plate while the "cherished" "private" "personal" poncey  no-year one was being transferred from my previous car. That plate is inches shorter than the one in the photo. The car was only a few days old at the time, and that plate does seem a little large.



#147 Bob Riebe

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 21:34

Anything like this one?

 

Seeing that, if you ever get to a vintage machinery show where they  have truly vintage lawnmowers, you will be amazed at what once was for sale, and sold.

Todays safety brigade have ruined variety is the spice of life.


Edited by Bob Riebe, 18 December 2018 - 03:09.


#148 doc knutsen

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 13:33

On it's debut at Mosport Park in 1985 :)

 

4060726646_f6e752b152_b.jpgHans Heyer - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4060726806_3e5ef4abc1_z.jpg?zz=1Mike Thackwell - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4061456682_29ec95f607_z.jpg?zz=1Martin Brundle - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

4060726866_6223185d14_z.jpg?zz=1Mike Thackwell - Jaguar by Alan Raine, on Flickr

 

Thank you, lovely pics.



#149 doc knutsen

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 13:37

Gorgeous car, particularly in short-heck ( goodness me I've just invented a word) form without wheel spats.

 

As mentioned above I'm sure that TWR hauled a Group 44 XJR-5 over from the States to evaluate it - before heading off to do the XJR-6. Unless I have succeeded in reaching Batty Town, UK it was painted BRG and featured on the front cover of Motoring News looking magnificent. I've trawled everywhere and can find no photos to support this theory/memory.

 

The XJR-5 may not have been the most competitive racing XJ but the sound of that V12 after dark at Le Mans remains a fond memory. I met Bob Tullius several years later, he agreed "Man if we could have bottled that sound we could have made a fortune"...

You are correct, TWR tested a BRG (with white Group 44 stripes, sort of reversing the car's US livery) XJR-5 at Silverstone. I seem to recall it was also run with the (heavy) 4-valve cylinder heads for evaluation purposes.


Edited by doc knutsen, 15 December 2018 - 13:43.


#150 doc knutsen

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 13:54

Those Jags and many other of the period found the styling not of form. The spoiler on the front lengthening the radiator outlets is ugly, those wheel spats too made the cars ugly. The piece of cable strengthening the splitter was too a design fault fixed but not pretty.But were function over form

 

Those bits and pieces were, of course, parts of the car's development. Aerodynamics were critical in GrC, which was basically a fuel efficiency formula. To me, the basic shape of the XJR 6/8/9/12 series is so well proportioned. The cluttering of add-on aero bits and pieces may reduce the overall aesthetics, but they are all part of developing the cars. They  retained  their basic shape from 1985 through 1991 which suggests that it was pretty good right from the start. Remember those first open Audis at Le Mans, where shape was obviously dictated by the need to look like an Audi?


Edited by doc knutsen, 15 December 2018 - 13:54.