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#51 gruntguru

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 05:09

All I will say on the subject is - as usual - the propensity for politicians of any ilk to bend the truth to support their particular political goals is breathtaking.



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#52 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 06:35

  Woozy - I don't think no matter how much you try you can't justify  Bill and Rub 'n Tug's  (Albanese)  statements on 8 to 10 minute charging - it's not going to work.   I think it is pretty clear that they think the typical charging times  are actually 8 to 10 minutes, not 60 to 100 times this figure.   This level of technical ignorance (and  just general common sense)  is just startling and frightening.  It also explains why they have such crazy ideas about power generation  and climate change etc.  - their level of technical knowledge is only primary school at best.  These are the people who we are entrusting our future to? - Christ help us all.  And it's not just the Left of politics - when Turnbull came up with his brilliant Snowy River 2.0 Scheme I suspect very strongly that he thought it was a way of actually making electricity not just storing it.

  I think also R  'n  T also claimed that Norway had 47% EVs - it doesn't - the figure is about 7% - and Norway has such incredible incentives to buy electric that even I would buy one - and still they only manage 7%. 

   We're doomed. 

The pair of them are so crooked that it makes your eyes water. IF, Big IF they have any idea it does not let the B/S get in the way.

These same too are sprouting that 'renewable' will make cheaper electricity,,,,,,,, ofcourse all the green b/s is the reason we have such unreliable and expensive electricity. I have no problems with alternate supply. just as long as it is not heavily subsidised. And is NEVER used as baseload power.

Here in the State of disaster Labor solved the problems. Make power so expensive and unreliable and business will leave,,, along with a large part of the population.!!!



#53 Wuzak

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 15:23

Lee, you must know that

A) non-renewables are also subsidised, but it is largely hidden
B) as renewable generation systems become more common and production increases the price will come down. Wind and solar PV are now cheaper for levelised cost of energy- which compares the cost of installation with the amount of energy produced over a time period
C) renewable generators had to compete with existing plant, most of which had their capital cost amortised a long time ago
D) new generation often requires new network connections. Something existing plant doesn’t need to worry about

#54 GreenMachine

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 21:41

True Wuzak, but your analysis fails to take into account renewables lack of reliable power generation.  This is a result of the high rates of outages caused by driverless buses (and the occasional driverless car) crashing through the fences and damaging the wind turbines/solar cells. 

 

We are all doomed.

 

irony/off



#55 gruntguru

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Posted 11 April 2019 - 22:06

i always wondered why coal-fired power stations had those bus-proof walls around them.



#56 BRG

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Posted 12 April 2019 - 17:09

i always wondered why coal-fired power stations had those bus-proof walls around them.

And why nuclear power stations are NEVER on bus routes.



#57 Charlieman

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Posted 12 April 2019 - 18:53

And why nuclear power stations are NEVER on bus routes.

As a student, I caught a bus to Sellafield/Windscale/Calder Hall from our B&B in Seascale. We were there for a trip around the Magnox power plant and to take measurements for ourselves to calculate the efficiency of the heat process.

 

On Day One, some members of the party asked the men guarding the perimeter whether it was OK to take photographs. It was OK, of course, with a happy snapper camera. There was nothing to see with the biggest lens in the world. On Day Two, some members of the party took some new photos without asking the guard, same as the previous day but without asking.

 

We were immediately surrounded by men with guns. 

 

We were trusted to walk around a Magnox power plant (with pencils and paper, without cameras). But we were always treated as intruders.



#58 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 04:07

A bus hit a transformer pole recently. Blacked out a suburb or two



#59 gruntguru

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 06:25

That would be a driverless bus rehearsing for the big hit on a power station.



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#60 Wuzak

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 08:42

A bus hit a transformer pole recently. Blacked out a suburb or two


Because cars never run into roadside furniture?

#61 Nathan

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 13:22

Aeroplanes crash way too often, and they have thousands of km of sky and very few other things to hit. But they hit each other, hit mountains etc etc daily somewhere in the world.


The amusing things here is the majority of plane crashes are caused by pilot error. Auto pilot - excluding a few Boeings - has a saftey record pilots can be jealous of. I also think your stat is an incredible exaggeration that rivals silly things my mother says.

#62 Kelpiecross

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 14:14

 Newcastle (NSW) is apparently about to get a driverless tourist bus. 



#63 BRG

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 16:54

 Newcastle (NSW) is apparently about to get a driverless tourist bus. 

I wonder if it will turn out to be a touristless bus?  You wouldn't get me up in one of them fings, squire.



#64 gruntguru

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 20:24

I also think your stat is an incredible exaggeration that rivals silly things my mother says.

You have my deepest sympathy.



#65 Fatgadget

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 22:44

Why not?  Intelligent trams come to mind.



#66 Fatgadget

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 22:55

And why nuclear power stations are NEVER on bus routes.

You do stretch it mate!..I guess one of those old fogies bitching relentlessly the march of progress you have no time for hey..granddad!

 

Nuclear power stations on bus routes indeed!

 

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#67 gruntguru

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 22:22

BusBot gives us a glimpse of what this technology will look like. 

 

https://newatlas.com...2b0dea-90270322



#68 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 07:37

The amusing things here is the majority of plane crashes are caused by pilot error. Auto pilot - excluding a few Boeings - has a saftey record pilots can be jealous of. I also think your stat is an incredible exaggeration that rivals silly things my mother says.

As I see on various Air Crash programs the heavily automated planes  in effect take over from the pilots. This is  in the comparitivly uncongested sky.

And I can be sure that aircraft have far higher degree of safety than a motor vehicle driven on very congested streets.

Tesla 'self driving' has been involved in a lot of accidents. The driverless vehicles in California now have to be actually driven.

As for Boeing, every brand of aircraft have had problems, at some time.and the more hitech it gets the more things go wrong. Many are simple to fix but when the plane wants to go where the pilots do not want it too we have a problem.

Though as has also been proven IF the pilot wants to end it all [and take a lot of others with him] they seem to be able to over ride the electronic nannys, And the location equipment as well.



#69 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 07:40

Why not?  Intelligent trams come to mind.

What is intelligent about archaic trams?  The lunacy of even putting them back on roads defies logic.

As much as I hate buses they still make more sense than a bloody tram,, and cost a lot less also.