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2019 - MotoGP, Moto2-3, WSBK, MotoE, WSS, BSB, MotoAmerica, etc.


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#3051 NixxxoN

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 15:53

Apparently Abraham told fans at Brno today that Avintia dumped him yesterday, by e-mail no less.

Goodbye to the not good enough pay rider. He could try MotoE now, maybe.
 

If you can spare 5 minutes, this video is very entertaining and informative.  
 
Question - the UK was the dominant country in motorcycling up into the 1950's but you'll notice after they got to 138 wins, it basically took them 60 years to get another win.  What happened to cause such a gap in-between wins?

Having a good generation of riders is key. UK had them back then just like USA had them in the 80s and Italy had Agostini and Rossi an then spain has had Pedrosa/Lorenzo and now Marquez.
Riders talent matters a lot in MotoGP.

Edited by NixxxoN, 24 November 2019 - 15:56.


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#3052 sopa

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 16:11

Spain got their first 500cc race victory in 1992. Crazy! Almost the opposite of Brits.



#3053 NixxxoN

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 16:15

Spain got their first 500cc race victory in 1992. Crazy! Almost the opposite of Brits.

I dont know why but Spain only had winner(s) in the lower classes decades ago and nothing in the top class.
Angel Nieto was the king of small displacement bikes with 13 championships. The second rider with most championships, after Agostini

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#3054 OvDrone

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 21:03

Zarco for Abraham is however a massive upgrade for Avintia.


Hope they step up. At least for Rabat's sake.

#3055 messy

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Posted 24 November 2019 - 22:19

Yep. They’ve looked decent enough before - Hector Barbera was top ten in the points only a few years ago - and that I think was the year where the Ducati customers all started on something approaching a level playing field. So it at least shows that if they have the equipment they can run with the others (in that case Pramac and Aspar). Hopefully Ducati’s promises come through. Rabat gave us the briefest of flashes of his ability before getting injured a couple of years ago then the Avintia was sh*t again. 



#3056 sopa

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Posted 25 November 2019 - 19:40

Rookies usually improve in their second seasons. A lot of attention has been on Quartararo, but what does anyone think about the prospects of Mir and Bagnaia? Bagnaia was fairly invisible this year, apart from one 4th in one race. Was this a flash in the pan or is there more to come? Mir became a regular top 8 contender later in the season. Can he improve further on that, become a podium contender and threaten Rins' #1 position in Suzuki?



#3057 Jambo

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 13:36

Goodbye to the not good enough pay rider. He could try MotoE now, maybe.
 
Having a good generation of riders is key. UK had them back then just like USA had them in the 80s and Italy had Agostini and Rossi an then spain has had Pedrosa/Lorenzo and now Marquez.
Riders talent matters a lot in MotoGP.

The TT left the championship and the UK started racing Superbikes.

 

Not the only reason but it certainly is part of it.



#3058 Ncedi

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 15:21

Rumour that Marc Marquez has now hurt the other shoulder which has dislocated twice! He may face the same surgery again this winter

#3059 Atreiu

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 15:51

This year he crashed less, but seemed to have more big knocks. Thailand, Sepang, now in testing. This isn't good.



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#3060 Jambo

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 17:52

I think the op is to make suree it doesn't get as bad as the other one, rather than get to the point where it was actually destroyed.

 

Hope he has a good recovery.



#3061 realracer200

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 18:53

Rookies usually improve in their second seasons. A lot of attention has been on Quartararo, but what does anyone think about the prospects of Mir and Bagnaia? Bagnaia was fairly invisible this year, apart from one 4th in one race. Was this a flash in the pan or is there more to come? Mir became a regular top 8 contender later in the season. Can he improve further on that, become a podium contender and threaten Rins' #1 position in Suzuki?

 

Personally I was quite impressed by Mir, I think he has the potential to match Rins next season.



#3062 messy

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 20:18

Mir did well, did exactly what Rìns himself and Vinales did in their rookie years on the Suzuki - no fireworks, quietly learning and getting more competitive by the end of the year. I don’t think the Suzuki is the type of bike that you can wrestle a shock pole or whatever Quartararo was able to do as a rookie, it’s just a very solid platform to get you up there or thereabouts. He’ll do well in year two just like the other two did. 
 

Didn’t think much of Bagnaia really, in all honesty. Very poor qualifier. Expected more after how good he’d been in his Moto2 title year. 



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Posted 26 November 2019 - 20:25

I think Mir repaid the faith Suzuki had shown in him plucking him directly out of Moto3.



#3064 Atreiu

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 21:01

Personally I was quite impressed by Mir, I think he has the potential to match Rins next season.

 

Agreed.

He had a bad crash and missed some races, but the speed is there. Hopefully next years Suzuki will be better in qualifying and have its riders start so far back all the time.



#3065 Requiem84

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:12

Im starting to wonder whether Moto2 is a good learning school for MotoGP.

Maybe going straight from Moto3 is actually better.

Binder’s comments are interesting. Moto2 bikes have to be ridden almost oppositely to MotoGP machines,

#3066 Atreiu

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 15:23

I don't think it'd make a difference. What bike in the world behaves like a MotoGP bike?



#3067 NixxxoN

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 15:30

I don't think it'd make a difference. What bike in the world behaves like a MotoGP bike?

 

Different MotoGP bikes behave different depending on the manufacturer, to start with...



#3068 Atreiu

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 15:49

Which one of them comes the closest to a Moto3 bike?



#3069 Requiem84

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 16:45

None.

But when you skip Moto2, at least you’re not learning ‘wrong habits’ for 2-3 years.

#3070 realracer200

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 17:40

It's very difficult to go directly from Moto3 to Motogp, the difference in power is just to big. And besides the new Moto2 is at least a bit closer to Motogp than it used to be.



#3071 NixxxoN

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 17:56

None.

But when you skip Moto2, at least you’re not learning ‘wrong habits’ for 2-3 years.

 

This happens in cars too. I mean how different are F2/F3 cars from F1 ones? Probably worlds apart.

Its the same for everybody, so I dont think there's so much problem with "habits"



#3072 Requiem84

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 22:29

Did any of you guys actually read Binder’s comments on the difference between Moto2 and MotoGP?

For one, he’s saying you have to be much more aggressive on the power in MotoGP compared to the delicate Moto2 throttle control (!).

#3073 ForzaFormula

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 23:36

Did any of you guys actually read Binder’s comments on the difference between Moto2 and MotoGP?

For one, he’s saying you have to be much more aggressive on the power in MotoGP compared to the delicate Moto2 throttle control (!).

Quite normal when switching categories in cars and bikes that there are such big characteristic differences such as the example of throttle control you mention. The best riders will simply adapt.

Edited by ForzaFormula, 27 November 2019 - 23:38.


#3074 Jazza

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Posted 28 November 2019 - 04:33

Which should be very very easy to do. Always easier to go from gentle to aggressive than the other way around.

#3075 Jazza

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Posted 28 November 2019 - 04:40

I always thought moto 3 is a bit of a waste of time for preparing for MotoGP.

Moto2 and MotoGP are much more similar when it comes to race craft. The pack racing of moto3 is closer to racing at Talledega. No one goes from high teens to first down the main straight in Moto2 and GP, but it happens often in Moto3. Even qualifying is a completely different game to the big leagues.

You can be a second a lap slower and still be a race winner in moto3 if you’re good at timing your attacks in the pack.

#3076 Ellios

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Posted 02 December 2019 - 20:37

Racers Cornering in Slow motion | EXPLAINED

 



#3077 Sheepmachine

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 12:10

Casey Stoner has opened up about his battle with Chronic fatigue syndrome. I feel for him, must be so hard to deal with when he’s been an active athlete. https://www.motorspo...ndrome/4606046/

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Posted 14 December 2019 - 13:37

Incredible ride by Nico Canepa in horrendous conditions. Once again, Pirelli prove conclusively that they should find something in another industry which does not involve the manufacture of tyres.

#3079 Silberpfeil

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 10:09

Quite possibly the most Andrea Iannone thing to ever happen?

http://www.fim-live....ally-suspended/

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#3080 SophieB

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 10:33

Wow, that's crazy.



#3081 search

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 10:39

should be a four-year ban, as far as I can see. That's his career over then.

 

edit: two years, if he can prove that it wasn't taken intentional


Edited by search, 17 December 2019 - 10:44.


#3082 messy

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 10:50

He potentially had the world at his feet in 2015/16 and his complete implosion has been painful to follow. 



#3083 Atreiu

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 13:58

Quite possibly the most Andrea Iannone thing to ever happen?

http://www.fim-live....ally-suspended/

 

LOL, that sums up most of how I feel. Too bad.

 

I wonder if this might have been in part fuled by the longest calendar ever, IIRC, with no real downtime for riders to recover.



#3084 NoForumForOldPole

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 14:07

Zarco has not ridden Aprilia yet🤣

#3085 ehagar

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 16:55

Bizarre. You would think it would be counterproductive too.... Cortisone or anti-inflammatory drugs I can understand, but anabolic steroids???  

 

If anything, weight loss drugs (Nori Haga anyone?) make more sense...



#3086 OvDrone

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 17:06

Wow, that's crazy.

Is it though?



#3087 JRodrigues

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 17:30

Bizarre. You would think it would be counterproductive too.... Cortisone or anti-inflammatory drugs I can understand, but anabolic steroids???  

 

If anything, weight loss drugs (Nori Haga anyone?) make more sense...

 

Or other kind of "medicine".. if you know what I mean.  :smoking: